packor

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now i know im dense and its actually pretty normal to say its a problem that you don't have to option to change a story in a kinetic novel. and everyone understands that means they don't actually want what they say,they just wish it wasn't so.

the next time a game won't start i won't address it as a problem because for dense guys like me "problem = issue that should(needs) be resolved".
sounds like you really didn't like my interpretation because they said the word "problem". I believe that they just aren't that good at expressing themselves. Would you stop feeling offended if they took back the word "problem" and said that they just personally didn't like it? They would probably be willing to do so.
 

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Just to throw my two cents in: I'm not surprised or upset that people hate Rachel, I deliberately wrote her to be hated. Some of the LIs start out being unlikeable, and then slowly grow into different people; it's a recurrent theme with a number of them, though Rachel is the most extreme example. It may be hard to believe now that she's the most popular, but early on people hated Sarah and wanted me to get rid of her. Same with Catherine, Vicky, and Hannah. Go back far enough in this thread and you'll find pages and pages of people hating Hannah.

So I'm not gonna remove Rachel, or change my plans for her. I might not be able to redeem her in the eyes of her most ardent haters, perhaps I'm not a talented enough writer to pull it off, but I'm certainly gonna try, as that was why I created the character in the first place.

As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
 
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Just to throw my two cents in: I'm not surprised or upset that people hate Rachel, I deliberately wrote her to be hated. Some of the LIs start out being unlikeable, and then slowly grow into different people; it's a recurrent theme with a number of them, though Rachel is the most extreme example. It may be hard to believe now that she's the most popular, but early on people hated Sarah and wanted me to get rid of her. Same with Catherine, Vicky, and Hannah. Go back far enough in this thread and you'll find pages and pages of people hating Hannah.

So I'm not gonna remove Rachel, or change my plans for her. I might not be able to redeem her in the eyes of her most ardent haters, perhaps I'm not a talented enough writer to pull it off, but I'm certainly gonna try, as that was why I created the character in the first place.

As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have, tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
Just keep cooking. You're doing great. Negative voices tend to be louder than positive ones.
 

Meabe37

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the problem with this game
Oh my god, another one. I already try to explain earlier my mistakes in wording it like that. I guess i'm gonna try to explain it again. I don't think that at all, i don't think it is bad that the game is kinetic or that it's problematic on itself (but it as problematic, for the dev to overcome, does that make sense? Like i said my english is crap and when i have to explain something it's kinda hard). Anyway i have no problem with the game and how it is structured.

the original post was:
Yeah this is kinda the problem with this game, everyone is mandatory... girls you don't care about and even the ones you really don't like. To be able to really pull it off you would need to be insanely good at it, writing i mean (i'm not saying cosy is bad by any means). But even games that can (where all the girls are imo beyond lovables, not dropping names here) don't do it and let you cut whoever you want.
With:
this is kinda the problem with this game
What i really meant is "this type of AVN" (kinetic) and by problem i didn’t meant it's bad but that it has issues and downside.

When i said :
"To be able to really pull it off "
i was talking about making all the girls likeable without exception but yes it was not clear.

And for this part:
"But even games that can (where all the girls are imo beyond lovables, not dropping names here) don't do it and let you cut whoever you want."
it's just my bad i guess, because it made me think about other games (which succeeded at that) that are kinda mostly kinetic but let you say yes or no for the girls. Which i maybe wrongly personally consider as kinetic (it's all about the story choices only, but that my opinion, so yeah my bad i suppose.)
(edit: Yes like cosy said, it wouldn't work here and i have said it myself earlier today before him, i understand it)


No. The problem is with you
I don't feel like i'm the only one (and not even that much, i don't really care about her ) but you do seems to care A LOT ;)

I also don't think me having a "problem" with one char in the game make me whatever you trying to make me pass for.

Anyway i never asked Cosy to change anything or said that i hate the game or whatever (i like it, would not be there otherwise). I expressed my opinion about Rachel which is extremely negative yes and said that i believed her to be a miss/fail from Cosy and that she wasn't working, at least to make her interesting and/or likeable and/or redeemable. Like i said multiple times, he can do whatever he want with it and we'll see maybe he'll pull it off.

If you want to keep thinking i'm here to hate on the game or whatever, there is nothing else i can do.
 
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packor

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As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story.
it's not even necessary. One doesn't pick up a book and demand a choose-your-own-adventure version. If you started writing a book with the intent to write a book, there's no need to make any excuses or cater.
 

HiHaHo

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sounds like you really didn't like my interpretation because they said the word "problem". I believe that they just aren't that good at expressing themselves. Would you stop feeling offended if they took back the word "problem" and said that they just personally didn't like it? They would probably be willing to do so.
his english doesn't seem bad at all, not being good at expressing yourself is not know how to say what you think.
not using the correct definition of problem (a matter or situation regarded as unwelcome or harmful and needing to be dealt with and overcome.) ironic-ly is the entire problem. the back and forth didn't help it, until he finally explained what he ment with "problem".

the only possible offensive thing he did was calling me dense. which i found funny after a facepalm.
the entire back and forth i found it entertaining ,some people just fight for the fight not for the win. verbal spars included.
 
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Meabe37

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the only possible offensive thing he did was calling me dense.
Still sorry about that, i got a bit heated and said something stupid and mean. I edited out with an apology just after posting it, way before you answered, i don't know if you saw. Anyway i'm sorry.
 

HiHaHo

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Still sorry about that, i got a bit heated and said something stupid and mean. I edited out with an apology just after posting it, way before you answered, i don't know if you saw. Anyway i'm sorry.
no problem man calling me dense is as harmless as a raindrop on a wind shield.
if i somehow offended you ,you surely already understand i'm somewhat off a douche-bag so don't take it personally
 

Meabe37

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no problem man calling me dense is as harmless as a raindrop on a wind shield.
if i somehow offended you ,you surely already understand i'm somewhat off a douche-bag so don't take it personally
Not at all. It just frustrating that i try to explain something but it feel like i can't manage to make myself understood. I don't think anything i tried to say deserved any conflicts... so yeah... i got heated up for a minute for no real reasons. But yeah it's my fault anyway, i should have just not word what i was trying to said badly.
 
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shitass1001

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As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have, tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.
This is maybe my favourite aspect of this VN, how all the characters spend time with each other, it really feels like a big friend group/family.

I have seen a lot of people like the "vibe" of Cosy Cafe, and I think the relationships and the focus on them is a large part of that. Say if we didnt have as many group scenes early on, then Lucy or someone just randomly said "oh yeah, Vicky and I have been spending time with each other when you arent around, turns out we have a lot in common" it just wouldnt hit the same.

This is also why I am excited for Rachel to enter the fold, seeing how she interacts with the other girls (especially Vicky and Sarah) sounds so enjoyable and it will probably be pretty funny too.

Gotta get my monthly quota of Cosy simping in :LOL:
 

vsvsx92

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Just to throw my two cents in: I'm not surprised or upset that people hate Rachel, I deliberately wrote her to be hated. Some of the LIs start out being unlikeable, and then slowly grow into different people; it's a recurrent theme with a number of them, though Rachel is the most extreme example. It may be hard to believe now that she's the most popular, but early on people hated Sarah and wanted me to get rid of her. Same with Catherine, Vicky, and Hannah. Go back far enough in this thread and you'll find pages and pages of people hating Hannah.

So I'm not gonna remove Rachel, or change my plans for her. I might not be able to redeem her in the eyes of her most ardent haters, perhaps I'm not a talented enough writer to pull it off, but I'm certainly gonna try, as that was why I created the character in the first place.

As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
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Ar4iX

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Just to throw my two cents in: I'm not surprised or upset that people hate Rachel, I deliberately wrote her to be hated. Some of the LIs start out being unlikeable, and then slowly grow into different people; it's a recurrent theme with a number of them, though Rachel is the most extreme example. It may be hard to believe now that she's the most popular, but early on people hated Sarah and wanted me to get rid of her. Same with Catherine, Vicky, and Hannah. Go back far enough in this thread and you'll find pages and pages of people hating Hannah.

So I'm not gonna remove Rachel, or change my plans for her. I might not be able to redeem her in the eyes of her most ardent haters, perhaps I'm not a talented enough writer to pull it off, but I'm certainly gonna try, as that was why I created the character in the first place.

As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
I find the idea of breaking her hate towards the MC and turning all her fealings around quite fascinating and I can't wait see how you write that part. I can imagine her trying to compensate her past negative fealings towards MC and the girls with total devotion perhaps with a bit spicy submissive kink.
Thanks for the excellent story so far and keep it up!
 

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I find the idea of breaking her hate towards the MC and turning all her fealings around quite fascinating and I can't wait see how you write that part. I can imagine her trying to compensate her past negative fealings towards MC and the girls with total devotion perhaps with a bit spicy submissive kink.
Thanks for the excellent story so far and keep it up!
I've got a REVOLUTIONARY idea, just, hear me out:

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As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
I have often thought the same, and I'm glad you mentioned it.

Games where love interests are done "a la carte", it makes the girls always sequestered away from everyone else. The amount of variation for scenes to have them together would be enormous. But this game has lots of scenes where the girls are together and interacting with each other. I find that highly enjoyable, and one of the great qualities of the game.
 

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Now thats out of everyones systems, who else is excited for the lunch date with Misaki? you guys think they will go straight to bone town? or is that reserved for date two?

Also, who do you guys think got number 5 in the kings game? my guess is Lucy, and because she doesn't have a phone yet she is going to have to get creative to complete the dare, like leaving class during the day to find MC then stripping for him, or using someone else' phone.
Date 3 .. we all know the third date you put out.
 
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Just to throw my two cents in: I'm not surprised or upset that people hate Rachel, I deliberately wrote her to be hated. Some of the LIs start out being unlikeable, and then slowly grow into different people; it's a recurrent theme with a number of them, though Rachel is the most extreme example. It may be hard to believe now that she's the most popular, but early on people hated Sarah and wanted me to get rid of her. Same with Catherine, Vicky, and Hannah. Go back far enough in this thread and you'll find pages and pages of people hating Hannah.

So I'm not gonna remove Rachel, or change my plans for her. I might not be able to redeem her in the eyes of her most ardent haters, perhaps I'm not a talented enough writer to pull it off, but I'm certainly gonna try, as that was why I created the character in the first place.

As for significant choices, such as being able to choose characters: they're simply not possible with how I write the story. Granted, I haven't actually read a ton of other AVNs, but the ones I have tend to keep the storylines of the individual girls somewhat separated to get around the need to rewrite a completely alternate universe after every player decision.

Just imagine, as an example, if the player had the option to reject Lucy. With how integrated she is into every event, every story beat, every piece of character development that happens in the MC and the other girls as a consequence of knowing her - all of that would be gone. Their entire character arcs and personalities would have to change to account for her absence. The same is true of each LI after Lucy, as they get more and more integrated into the story and the lives of the other characters; and eventually it would be the same for Rachel, too.
lol, i hate Egwene from the Wheel of Time, but her character was important throughout all 14 novels. still, i liked when she died A Memory of Light, stupid bitch had to get 1 final naggin lesson in on Rand even after she died though. Nynaeve's tenacity became endearing as her character developed.
 

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Diversification of income streams for the MC's household. She will keep teaching. That is if she moves in with the MC.
I was thinking of moving in as being a role too. It seems weirder for the adults who have real jobs. But I guess she mentioned living with her parents still and them being up her ass if I remember correctly. She might want to get out of there.
 
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