NelsonLee20042020

Future articles

Hi Nelson. Not sure what articles you have planned going forward but I would personally say that currently (as of March 10, 2025), the remaining people currently scheduled for execution for 2025 do not need articles as their cases aren't notable enough. Maybe Nichols is the only one I would consider, however, until Tennessee actually resumes executions, I would hold off on creating a page for him. It's best that not every person executed in 2025 gets an article, only the more notable ones, otherwise it gets clogged up as previous users have commented. We want the more notable cases to stand out. Regards. Inexpiable (talk) 22:19, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Inexpiable. Sure, I will see what to do, you have a point. Frankly speaking, I did notice Nichols and certain interesting death penalty cases (these people are not facing execution as of now) and was tempted to write them. Thank you for the advice by the ways. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@Inexpiable. And just some heads up, I am completing Henry Eugene Hodges in draftspace. Left with the appellate process and other section. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

A good article to write about would be on Marcus Donte Reed, convicted and sentenced to death in Caddo Parish, Louisiana, who murdered three brothers, by lying-in-wait outsider their home and shooting them, after he thought they had stolen his X-Box. Dashing24 (talk) 16:28, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. I can look through the case. Might hold off for now until we got more sources to establish notability. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:33, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jessie Hoffman Jr.

On 21 March 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jessie Hoffman Jr., which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 16:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

1999 Tulsa County double murder

The title is not fitting for the article since there have been many double murders in Tulsa County, and I suspect more than one in 1999. The title is not easily identifiable. Also, the case is primarily notable for defendant John Fitzgerald Hanson, after the Biden administration refused to transfer him, a first in the history of the modern Post-Furman American death penalty (it's also unusual that a state death row inmate would have ever been in federal custody for lesser charges. Multiple other inmates like Eugene Clemmons and Walter Moody had federal convictions but were still on state death row). Accordingly, I simply suggest the article should be renamed John Fitzgerald Hanson for that reason as the title should reflect what's prominent about the case - here that's Hanson himself. Dashing24 (talk) 09:29, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. I heard you out. I am fine with moving the page after seeing your explanations. Still, it cannot be overlooked that Victor Miller also shared a considerable degree of culpability behind the killings and his role is not small too, even though Hanson's role overshadowed his at a greater extent. So I would alternatively move the page to Murders of Mary Bowles and Jerald Thurman, if you are okay with it. To me, we can give greater emphasis to Hanson but need to balance out the content with the presence of Miller as well.

By the way, I tried searching if there are other double murder cases in the region but my searches turned up little to nothing, so I thought it can be used at this stage, until you gave me an undeniable rebuttal worth considering. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. If also possible, I also suggest the title Bowles-Thurman murders as a shorter title choice NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

I get that Miller had culpability in the murders but this isn't what I'm talking about. Multiple death row inmates who had accomplices had the article named after them and the accomplice mentioned in a section. It's Hanson, not Miller, who's notable. I don't think Bowles-Thurman murder is suitable because their murders also weren't notable in themselves - Hanson himself is notable that's why the article needs to be changed. The lead can be adapted to be more centered around Hanson and Miller gets his section. A recent example is Kenneth Eugene Smith, the first nitrogen hypoxia execution. Although Smith had multiple accomplices - one who got LWOP and one who got death - the article was named after Smith since he was notable (and the accomplices were mentioned in their crime section). Regardless, just referencing Tulsa County double murder or Bowles-Thurman murders is simply too vague and lacking of prominence. Dashing24 (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24, I know your point and fully understood your point of view. It's just that I am concerned about not able to balance out the focus of the case on Miller, given that he was also an accomplice of Hanson, who was undeniably the prominent subject and indeed captured the center of notability, but it is a bit hard to reduce the content to ensure Miller's case fully fit into the article if we create an article about Hanson, which was why I prefer to write it out as a murder case rather than focusing on an article about Hanson himself. Regardless, I am open to discussing with you the options too, because you made valid points.

How about we start a move discussion with other editors and see their opinions first before we make a final decision? I am fine with it. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 14:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm willing to do that. Also apparently on the guy's Indian Citizenship card says George John Fitzgerald Hanson. Dashing24 (talk) 07:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. How do you start a move discussion by the way? Which one I should follow? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:24, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. Would this be a technical or controversial move? Looks like we can use either one. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 01:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Start a discussion on the Page's talk page. I think technical would be the better fit. Dashing24 (talk) 07:21, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

I am making a move request already. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 12:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dashing24. Besides, the guy also had the name "George John Hanson", and early sources addressed him by the name and relegated "John Fitzgerald Hanson" as his alias. I assumed it was his birth name. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)