Talk:Ariwara no Narihira

Other Narihira poems discussed by Keene that might be cited in the article later

Poem 622:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
秋の野に ささわけし朝の 袖よりも あはでこし夜ぞ ひちまさりける	aki no no ni sasa wakeshi asa no sode yori mo awade koshi yo zo hichi masarikeru	My sleeves are wetter On a night spent without meeting Than when one morning I made my way through fields of Autumnal growths of bamboo.

Poem 970:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
わすれては 夢かとぞ思ふ おもひきや 雪ふみわけて 君を見むとは	wasurete wa yume ka to zo omou omoiki ya yuki fumiwakete kimi wo min to wa	If perchance I forget I wonder, "Was it a dream?" Could I have supposed I would make m way through snow To see my lord in such a place?

Poem 133:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
ぬれつつぞ しひて折りつる 年の内に 春はいくかも あらじとおもへば	nuretsutsu zo shiite oritsuru toshi no uchi ni haru wa ikuka mo araji to omoeba	Even if I got wet, I was resolved to pick them, Remembering that Hardly any days of spring Were still remaining this year.

Poem 617:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
つれづれの ながめにまさる 涙河 そでのみぬれて 逢ふよしもなし	tsurezure no nagame ni masaru namidagawa sode nomi nurete au yoshi mo nashi	Lost in idle brooding. That swells with the long rains A river of tears That soaks only my sleeves: There is no way to meet you.

Poem 618:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
あさみこそ 袖はひつらめ 涙河 身さへ流ると きかばたのまむ	asami koso sode wa hizurame namidagawa mi sae nagaru to kikaba tanoman	How shallow must be A river of tears that soaks No more than your sleeves; If I hear that you yourself Are adrift, I'll believe you.

Poem 410:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
からころも きつつなれにし つましあれば はるばるきぬる 旅をしぞ思ふ	karagoromo kitsutsu narenishi tsuma shi areba harubaru kinuru tabi wo shi zo omou	Because my dear wife Is familiar as the skirt Of a well-worn robe, I feel as if I have come A long distance on my way.

Poem 411:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
名にしおはば いざこととはむ 都鳥 わが思ふ人は 有りやなしやと	na ni shi owaba iza koto towan miyakodori wa ga omou hito wa ari ya nashi ya to	If you are faithful To your name, I would ask you, Bird of the city, Is the woman I think of Alive, or is she no more?

Poem 645:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
君やこし 我やゆきけむ 思ほえず 夢かうつつか ねてかさめてか	kimi ya koshi ware ya yukiken omōezu yume ka utsutsu ka nete ka samete ka	Did you come to me, Or did I go to you? I have no idea A dream or reality? Was I asleep or awake?

Poem 646:

Japanese text	Romanized Japanese	English translation
かきくらす 心のやみに 迷ひにき 夢うつつとは 世人さだめよ	kakikurazu kokoro no yami ni mayoiniki yume utsutsu to wa yohito sadame yo	In the utter dark Of a mind that obscures all I have long wondered. A dream or reality? Let other people decide.

Narihira in setsuwa literature

Narihira was a recurring figure in later tale (setsuwa) literature, such as in tales 35 and 36 of Book 24 of the Konjaku Monogatarishū.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ariwara no Narihira/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:12, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Will review. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:12, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

General

• No copyvio/dablink/external link issues
• Duplinks: I can see many, use this tool to fix them
  • Done—there are still a couple left, but they're redirects that could be turned into full articles. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• The lead should be a good 2 to 3 paras long for an article of this length covering all major points in the article
  • Done. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
• Say AD/BC in 825–880
  • Is that really necessary? There are no BC dates in recorded Japanese history. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Whoops, didn't know that. But articles should generally mention AD/BC at first mention. May be someone who does not know of this, like me, will get confused. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
      • WP:ERA says, "In general, do not use CE or AD unless required to avoid ambiguity". Regardless, as the dates increase rather than decrease, any confusion would be temporary, I would imagine. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Birth and ancestry

• Begin the article with the full name of the person
  • Done. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
• Say AD/BC in the first line

Romantic affairs

• You should add the names of one or a few of each of these parties of speculators you mention in the 2nd para. Presently "it has been" sounds vague on this.
  • Given the specualtion took place over many cneturies, that would be difficult. The sources used in the article don't name them, and hunting them down in mediaeval texts may constitute OR or SYNTH.

Poetry

• Combined, poems attributed to Narihira in court anthologies total eighty-seven "87" would make this less wordy.
  • Done. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:31, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
• according to Rodd and Henkenius Who are they?
  • Literary scholars and translators. I've now qualified them. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the changes. The prose is excellent, I await you response to one last comment. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:20, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I am happy to promote this. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

References

Father of Emperor Yozei?

Is there any source for this rumor? (In English, or vouched for by someone who's better at reading Japanese?) If so, it might be good to add both the source here and a small trivia section to the page on the Emperor Yozei. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabbycatlove (talk • contribs) 17:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tabbycatlove: The sources are cited in the article. Unfortunately at present they are mostly in Japanese. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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