Talk:Bizaardvark

Episode 1

I see that the first episode was uploaded within the last hour to youtube under user countryboy420abe with a channel named Bizaardvark Series. Not sure how this user would have gotten the video as it appears to be a capture from somewhere and is edited with a weird ghost frame around it. Anyone have any thoughts as to where this may have come from? Nyth63 16:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we can assume that that is an "official" release (otherwise I think it'd be coming straight from Disney Channel itself). Probably best to ignore the YouTube version, and wait for the episode's "official" release... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:31, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

It was probably released on Watch Disney Channel ahead of the TV premiere, that's not unusual. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Anyone seen any reported or announced about an "early" online release for this show? Usually, when that happens, it's in the press release for the series' premiere. I know it was in the case of Lab Rats: Elite Force. I'll go and check Futon Critic... ok, the press release doesn't say anything about a pre-June 24 release. Ping @Nyuszika7H:. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:43, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: I can't seem to find any reliable source mentioning that, they only mention the June 17 release of Adventures in Babysitting, and I can't even see the show on http://watchdisneychannel.go.com/. I'm guessing Watch Disney because other (not exactly legal) pre-air releases tagged the same way are also from there, but we can't use that as a source, obviously. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I see it's on youtube about 5 times already. this one is a clean edit on a channel with a username UCI2fuDDLU1MtI35xqENiDmA and named Bizaardvark. Still does not appear to be an 'official' channel. I did not see it on disney either after searching for Bizaardvark. I was able to login to Watch Disney with my dish account but I still don't see the show anywhere. Nyth63 20:09, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Two different scheduled air dates being reported for "Control (Plus) Alt (Plus) Escape!"

Zap2it says the episode will air on November 25 ([1]), while Disney ABC Press reports November 27 ([2]). An IP edit has attempted to correct this, but since both dates are being reported, we can't say which is right until one or the other corrects their info, or the episode airs. The Futon Critic has not yet reported this episode in their listings. MPFitz1968 (talk) 01:40, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

That I did not notice, so probably best to leave the earlier one for now, and if that does not happen, we can change it. I feel like Zap2it is likely more up-to-date than Disney ABC Press, though, based on experiences. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:50, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: A little late on replying to this, but I went ahead and changed it to November 27 on Sunday when I updated the article after the airing as there was a commercial immediately after the episode saying November 27 for the episode in question. I'm guessing there was another scheduling conflict they didn't know about at first like with Girl Meets World, but Zap2it just hasn't updated the episode guide for Bizaardvark... yet. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

"Agh, Humbug"

Zap2it reports the episode is scheduled to have its first airing this Sunday (November 27) [3], but it also shows below on the page "We're sorry, there are no national broadcasts of this TV show in the next two weeks." Right now, no other sources we usually use report this episode, so there's no way we can confirm what Zap2it is saying at the moment. Disney Channel is also not advertising this one, as "Control+Alt+Escape" is coming up on Sunday. Also, as the title suggests a holiday episode, it is unlikely it would air before December 1, when Disney gets going with their "Fa-la-la-li-days" programming. For now, I am going to set the scheduled air date to "TBA" until Zap2it updates their info, or another reliable source comes up with something less dubious. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Good idea. The Futon Critic will update soon enough, and we can then use that. It already has Sunday's episode in there with the correct air date. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, something weird is going on with Disney scheduling right now. The next episode of Best Friends Whenever I have set to record, "The Christmas Curse", is listed as "season 2, episode 12" in my DVR guide despite the fact that NO "episode #11" has aired or will air before this episode! I think Disney must have switched the scheduling for some of its shows at the last minute... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:44, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yeah, I can see they've been switched on Zap2it, but they're now out of airing order since the air dates weren't changed. Based on the other series with their Christmas episodes, I strongly suspect Zap2it messed up. The Christmas Curse will likely air December 4 and Revenge of the Past will likely air December 11 as is shown on the current version of List of Best Friends Whenever episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:05, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

In Your Space! is the season finale

Just making a note that the episode "In Your Space!" is the season finale. I'm guessing they're holding a season one episode for season two, then, based on the fact that all the episodes have production codes, and we are missing 118. It's also made obvious that the season was supposed to contain 21 episodes by the fact that we have an episode with production code 121. http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/bizaardvark-in-your-space/EP024192420020?aid=zap2it Amaury (talk | contribs) 08:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Jake Paul

So Amaury, how was it not stated that they didn't mutually agree to split up? Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

“We’ve mutually agreed that Jake Paul will leave his role on the Disney Channel series Bizaardvark” was written in the Deadline article. And you claim that he left the role on his own. Hawkeye75 (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't really need an explanation at all in this article. Just that he left the show is all that matters, the reasons belong more in the actor article. Actual reasons are complex and don't really add much to this article to try to either fully explain or accurately summarize. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Jake Paul no longer playing Dirk Mann

Jake Paul no longer plays Dirk Mann in Bizaardvark. 90.192.220.56 (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

False information. He is in every episode aired to date and in some unknown number of yet-to-be-aired episodes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:27, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Dirk Mann is no longer played by Jake Paul

Hey you, you got it wrong, Jake Paul has split up with Disney and no longer plays Dirk Mann in Disney Channel's 'Bizaardvark'. Next time do some research before charging false accusations you idiot. Saul McGlennan (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

He is showing up in the cast of all episode that have aired to date and in some unspecified number of future episodes. He is in the cast. His not being in the cast starting at some future episode is covered in the article and nothing in the article needs to change. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

@Saul McGlennan: Even when Paul doesn't appear in any more episodes on Bizaardvark at some future point, his name stays listed in the article under the main cast and also in the "starring" part in the infobox. WP:TVCAST states: Articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:26, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

We've had more attempts at this. I should also add that a parenthetical note stating seasons 1–2 is also unnecessary for the time being. If the series is renewed for a third season, once it starts airing, then we can add that parenthetical note, but for now, it's unnecessary, especially when the second season just recently premiered and is therefore still airing. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Once you know the final episode he appears in, it might be appropriate in the cast section to note that (episodes 1 to ???) or some such wording. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

New Recurring Characters

Hi. So, I noticed that in the list of Recurring Characters, it seems like Principal Karen and Belissa (Rachna Khatau and Maya Jade Frank, respectively) have been getting recurring roles. It would seem like they deserve to be on the list as well. Ean173 (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Principal Karen now qualifies. I haven't done an episode count on Belissa yet – if she's been in 5 episodes now, she would qualify as well... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I did a check on the Bizaardvark Wiki, and Belissa has been in five episodes and Principal Karen has been in 4 episodes so far. Even though P. Karen has only done 4 episodes, it appears she will be in a lot more. Ean173 (talk) 02:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Belissa has already been added to the 'Recurring' section. On Principal Karen, let's wait until she actually shows up in a fifth episode before adding her. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: Probably recurring now? Summer Schooled. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes – if she's shown up in a season #3 episode, she's "recurring" over two seasons, so definitely should count. I also think she may be at the magic "5 appearances" number as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2018

Per the Executive Producers listed higher up on this page, the Production section should reflect that and read as follows:

The series was created by Kyle Stegina and Josh Lehrman, who were discovered by the Disney Channel Storytellers program. They serve as the series' co-executive producers. Eric Friedman and Ron Rappaport serve as executive producers, with Eric Friedman as showrunner.

Thank you for considering this request to ensure consistency between the listed Executive Producers above and he Production section. 2605:E000:1702:28C:686E:DDFA:3852:F47C (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done -- Dane ^talk 03:16, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Series over after three seasons?

In this article it mentions Bizaardvark wrapped up it production this after three seasons and it's remaining eps rolling through in 2019 https://deadline.com/2018/11/producer-eric-friedman-overall-deal-disney-channel-bizvaardvark-1202503127/ Xaxxy12 (talk) 00:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

For some clarity, exact quote: Friedman has written or produced five comedy series for Disney Channel over the past decade. Most recently, he was executive producer and showrunner of Bizaardvark which has wrapped production after three seasons... Whether that's more definitive or not than what was mentioned here, I'm not quite sure. I realize some people could have different interpretations. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I read it as no season 4 is planned and the show has finished production. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, so if added to the article, it has to sort of get that point across... Maybe quote the source directly?... But as we have just seen with Bunk'd plans can change, and Disney has not "officially" announced that this one is ending, so I would certainly not change the end-date from "present" yet. So, it seems like this one is probably done, but it's still not "official" yet... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

@IJBall: On this point: so I would certainly not change the end-date from "present" yet. We couldn't even if we wanted to since there are still season three episodes to air and thus we don't know the season three finale date. So this is mostly whether we should include it in "Production," and if we do, how it should be worded, per our recent Bunk'd surprise, as you mentioned. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Comma

WP:DATERANGE says NOTHING about a comma in dates. Proper English grammar and punctuation calls for it. See WP:COMMA and WP:DATE. And, even an explanation on this user page User:NoAmCom. And the rules of the English language in general.

10 November 2007 (no comma)

November 10, 2007 (Add comma *only* if the sentence doesn't end in a period.)

EtherealGate (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

• To be honest, I don't really care anymore. Forget it. EtherealGate (talk) 06:19, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

EtherealGate is correct: A comma is required in this context, as per WP:COMMA (and, yes, standard English convention). For what it's worth, if this had been a date range demarcated with an en dash, the comma would not have been appropriate, so I totally understand how the confusion arose. Quick reference:

❌ June 24, 2016 to April 13, 2019

✔️ June 24, 2016, to April 13, 2019

✔️ June 24, 2016 – April 13, 2019

❌ June 24, 2016, – April 13, 2019

Happy to discuss this point further if it's helpful. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 13:21, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:COMMA is a guideline, not God or a top-down rule that must absolutely be followed. It is a date range, and a comma is 100% unnecessary. June 24, 2016 to April 13, 2019 is equivalent to June 24, 2016–April 13, 2019. What, are we going to make that be June 24, 2016,–April 13, 2019? Some commas are required for a sentence to make sense; some are not. Both "Hey dude, let's go!" or "Hey, dude, let's go!" are acceptable. This isn't one of those required cases, and quit treating guidelines like some top-binding rules. They're called guidelines for a reason. Amaury • 15:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Totally disagree – I don't care what WP:COMMA says – there should be no comma in a date range like this: "June 24, 2016 to April 13, 2019" is correct in this context. So the edit should be reverted. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:21, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

This issue has been of significant interest to me for many years, and while I recognize that you're not the only one to have this instinct, I have never encountered a style guide that supports your supposition. Many online guides posted by universities don't get into this level of detail, and the style manuals that dive this deep recommend the usage I outline above. If you have a reputable reference that supports your position, I'd be genuinely interested in seeing it. Short of that, I don't know why the community consensus outlined at MOS:COMMA wouldn't be a reasonable guide here. The usage in question here is not one of subtle inflection as is the case in Amaury's example. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 17:57, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Because guidelines aren't "laws", editors are not "robots" programmed to mindlessly follow guidelines, and as per WP:GUIDES "Editors should attempt to follow guidelines, though they are best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." Dateranges are clearly a "common sense" exception to MOS:COMMA. Bottom line: I'm not going to mindlessly follow a guideline when I think it's wrong (or when I think the MOS is being used as an end-around on WP:ENGVAR, which is sometimes the case). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The problem I'm having with your argument is that your "common sense" and mine differ. I see how in a non-prose context like an infobox a date range is best when stripped down to the essentials, but I don't see how in standard prose a date range becomes a special species of language that requires its own grammar-overriding rules. It opens up all sorts of questions about other constructions of varying similarity. What if the sentence had been this: From April 14, 2019, onward, Bizaardvark remained off the air. Is this a "date range" because it could be expressed as April 14, 2019 – ? Should the comma after 2019 be removed? Any style guide would say all three commas in that sentence are necessary, but I don't know what you'd recommend because you've replaced logic and tradition in favor of a reliance on your own instinct. That's not a system that works well in a collaborative project like Wikipedia. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 23:17, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but your attempt to trap us with a straw man's argument will not work on us. Neither of us brought up anything about a "[date] onward" scenario. Amaury • 23:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the only thing that has been brought to the no-comma side of this discussion is personal preference stated as absolute fact and references to God and robots that that seem intended to belittle those you disagree with. It looks like you wore down EtherealGate with Twinkle reverts; I'm hoping for reasoned discourse. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 01:12, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Digital section

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It needs to stay clear that all episodes of Bizaardvark are available on Disney + (plus) Amazingmonkey2006 (talk) 19:44, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@Amazingmonkey2006: Is this a notable inclusion, however? Many of Disney Channel's past series exist on Disney+, so I'd think no. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

While that is TRUE. I do think that it should be noted and I don’t think that you all should continually delete something that is TRUE that you don’t agree with. Amazingmonkey2006 (talk) 20:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

It works the other way around. In any case, you have provided no reliable sources to support your claims, so you are being disruptive. Also, learn how to properly indent your replies. Amaury • 20:17, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

I can agree with AmazingMonkey2006. If you would like proof, you could always maybe look and see if you could get a free trial and see for yourself. A picture of it on Disney + would be a Source? Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

And I didn’t realize that people on Wikipedia were this rude! “Also, learn how to properly indent your replies.” Not all of us have been on wiki for years, and we are learning. Maybe try building each other up, and not tearing them down? Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Offiicialofficialcolten: Please see WP:CIVIL. Amaury's advice was good advice, and it is not their responsibility to provide verifiable sources for content that Amazingmonkey2006 adds. See WP:BURDEN. I realize that you are new here, but you should take some time to understand our policies before you start attacking other editors for explaining them. General Ization ^Talk 19:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Attacking huh? Well I thought I had found a place where people respect other people. Guess I was wrong. Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Offiicialofficialcolten: Please review your message to Amaury above and explain to me how you see it as respectful. General Ization ^Talk 19:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

On which one? The first or second reply? Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 19:27, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Either, or neither. I think you understand my point. General Ization ^Talk 19:28, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

On the indent reply, I think that Amaury was rude. Not all of us are “wiki masters” and know how to indent replies... Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 21:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

See WP:INDENT. General Ization ^Talk 21:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I didn’t realize that people would low-key start flame wars over disney Offiicialofficialcolten (talk) 22:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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It should either be called a teen sitcom or a sitcom, not a "comedy"

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Kids' shows nowadays on Wikipedia are being called "comedies" instead of sitcoms or teen sitcoms. Can Wikipedia just call kids' shows "teen sitcoms" or "sitcoms" for once? Animaljamfan123 (talk) 02:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

No. Amaury • 04:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes. On Wikipedia you can't just call a Disney Channel show or a Nickelodeon show a simple "comedy." It should be called specific terms like "teen sitcom," "family sitcom," or just "sitcom." Animaljamfan123 (talk) 19:11, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

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