Talk:Dream (character)

Pumpkinhead

The Mervyn Pumpkinhead quotation is taken from The Sandman: Brief Lives, and is copyright 1992 DC Comics. The remaining quotations are taken from The Sandman: The Wake, and are copyright 1996 DC Comics.

Dream is NOT omnipotent over his aspect

Whoever keeps on editing the "Abilities" part of Dream in saying that Dream is the omnipotent aspect of dreams and reality, HE'S NOT. He states this in The Sandman #16, when Rose asks Morpheus why he prevent a Dreaming Vortex from coming to be.

At best, Dream is nigh-omnipotent over his aspect. In extension, this would also apply to every other Endless as well.

I agree with the anon. I added the 'nigh-' bit in the first place, and I am a little annoyed that it keeps getting removed. Isn't it obvious just from how he dies that he's not flat out omnipotent? --Gwern (contribs) 01:50 24 June 2007 (GMT)

Dude, He lets his sister kill him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.238 (talk) 06:40, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Names

While the "title given" Morpheus by Death is cute, do we really need to know that that insult is one of the things Dreams has been called? --Yar Kramer 03:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion? Yes. If we don't, take it out. --Kizor 04:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Yar. The insult is hardly an alias or title like the other examples. I'll take the liberty of removing it. -- H·G (^words/_works) 04:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Should names like "Murphy" and "Mister Dreamy" be included? They may be what certain entities call him, but they don't seem formal enough to be names that Dream would choose for himself. I've only read up to Season of Mists so far, and I certainly wouldn't take anything Jemmy says at face value!

See Call him Dream, below. --Thnidu (talk) 21:26, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Artist on Dream image

For the image used for Morpheus is there an art credit? I'd guess it's John J. Muth; who did the art on a section of The Wake, but I'm curious as to who really created the piece.

Image

Dream is a central character of the Sandman series. It is likely that most readers wishing to read about the comic will come to this page and hence it is vital that a picture is present. Could someone please upload a suitable picture? Possibly, one without any speech bubbles and fully clothed and looking out of the page. Zuracech lordum 16:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Best I could do. Full rationale was included to prevent a speedy. -- Sapph42 (talk) 01:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Aspect of Dream

The paragraph suggests the other Endless are always seen under the same aspect, but it is inaccurate. In the Dream story in Endless Nights, at the 'conference', Despair is seen as her first aspect. I'm not sure if it worth mentioning, but wanted to see what others thought. StereoSanctity

So much

Currently, there is so much self-confessed speculation in the article. Expert, please! Lots42 (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Not only that, but the tone of the writing makes it sound like a fansite rather than an enclyclopedia article. I've been thinking about attacking this article for a while, I may give it a go sometime soon if no one beats me to the punch. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 11:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Fiddler's Green

The section 'The Dreaming' lists one of the inhabitants of Dream's realm as: "Fiddler's Green, a sailors' dream of paradise who either is or imitates G. K. Chesterton". While Gaiman's fondness for Chesterton is well known (see [1], for instance) and Fiddler's Green is undeniably based on Chesterton in visual appearance (see [2], for instance), name (he is informally known as 'Gilbert'), and demeanor, the story itself tells us much that contradicts the idea that the Fiddler's Green of the story IS the G. K. Chesterton of our world. Spoilerish details: in Sandman #15 ('The Doll's House', part 6) Fiddler's Green contrasts Matthew the raven's life (living, then becoming a dream) with his own (being a dream, then briefly living). In Sandman #16 ('The Doll's House', part 7) Fiddler's Green comments upon his return to The Dreaming that a lot has changed in the last 50 years (implying that he left The Dreaming to become human that long ago). He also tells Matthew "I was not a person. I was a place", then explains to Dream that he left because he was curious about life in the living world and tired of his life in The Dreaming. This is reiterated in Sandman #70 ('The Wake'), where Gilbert states "I was a good place. I spent a little time walking in the waking world."

According to [3], the concept of Fiddler's Green as a place might stretch back to the time of Homer; it undeniably stretches back under the name "Fiddler's Green" to a 1923 U.S. Cavalry Manual that was published during Chesterton's lifetime. So it seems difficult to reconcile the facts with the idea that Fiddler's Green is, in a literal sense, Chesterton (or a continuation of Chesterton). But if we take Gilbert's "50 years" at face value, that places the time he left The Dreaming to be a human at about 1938, two years after Chesterton's death. It seems likely, all things considered, that when Fiddler's Green decided to try his hand at being human he chose to emulate G. K. Chesterton, who was after all known in The Dreaming - at least one book that he only wrote in dreams is in Dream's library, as quoted at the end of Sandman #27 ('A Season of Mists', epilogue).

With all of that in mind I am changing the text of the article to state that Fiddler's Green "emulates" Chesterton when in human form, rather than "is or imitates" him. Hopefully nobody gets too upset about this, but if you do please share your thoughts here. 76.105.238.158 (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

List of dreams and dream inhabitants

Would it be useful to create a list of all characters in the Dreaming? I am thinking specifically of appearances such as Taramis, from Brief Lives, who serves Delirium and Dream a very awkward dinner. If so, where would such a list be best placed? Under Dream? Under Sandman? Cfsibley (talk) 15:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Missing a few sections

This article is missing the character's publication history and the fictional character biography. These should be added to the article in order to have the full scope of the character.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Independent notability standards

Hi I’ve just reviewed this page and I can see a problem with the way it’s being compiled. Whilst a notable comic is a reliable source, as is a published novel, those sources are really only useful for verifying the the existence of the character, the medium in which it has appeared and the most prominent details about the character. Beyond this, further details should be examined to see if they are notable in sources other than the comics or books in which the character appears. The gold standard would be information from book reviews, academics who may have mentioned the work when writing about the author, film reviews and notable mentions in hall of fame entries etc. We we not to use this as a standard, it would be within Wikipedia’s scope to write about anything concerning the character with headings like “Dream’s trip to the super market in the episode with the snails” (or similar). Whilst this article hasn’t got quite so out of hand, it still needs to be examined with regard to wikipedia’s Relevant policy here Edaham (talk) 01:36, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes I agree with you that the article is a mess. But I also felt that the article is a notable topic that can be fixed. The character was ranked as top comic book character by Empire, IGN and Wizard magazine (if I remember correctly). See also these sources which reference him just to name a few:

• https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/8/16/16152428/batman-dark-nights-metal-reveal-issue-1
• https://www.cnet.com/news/new-sandman-universe-dc-comics-coming-from-neil-gaiman/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2017/08/14/dc-comics-dark-nights-metal-kicks-off-with-an-unexpected-vertigo-comics-surprise/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4f527d5c037c
• https://www.cbr.com/dark-nights-metal-moments/
• http://ew.com/books/2017/08/16/dark-nights-metal-scott-snyder-neil-gaiman-character-dcu/
• http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/12/sandman-5-times-the-endless-appeared-in-the-dc-universe
• https://www.cbr.com/jim-lee-vertigo-25-years-sandman-poster/

Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 02:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

yep. Agree entirely with the direction and sourcing you are using here. Edaham (talk) 06:34, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no way Dream doesn't have significant coverage. He was the star of a comic book series that was both a bestseller and called one of the greatest comics ever. I've seen many reliable sources publish in-depth articles about him and how much of a memorable character he is. JOEBRO64 10:47, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

That’s cool. I’m sure you are right. Hope I’ve been helpful and good luck with building the article! Edaham (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Call him Dream

Through most of the article, the character was referred to as Morpheus, although Dream is the name most often used across all the stories and in the name of the article. I have changed all of these occurrences to Dream, except in the opening discussion of his names, or simply replaced them with the appropriate pronoun where the use of names seemed too dense and redundant. --Thnidu (talk) 21:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Michael Jackson was interested in playing Morpheus (The Dream)

https://ew.com/tv/neil-gaiman-michael-jackson-morpheus-sandman-film/ Porterc5 (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

As well as Joseph Gordon Levitt, according to the article Porterc5 (talk) 15:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)