Talk:Fantasy Island (2021 TV series)

Recurring, guest starring, and co-starring

Based on a general consensus on MOS:TV and WP:TV past discussions, guests section is only for notable guest stars such as credited as special guest stars/special appearances, part of the main cast (past or in the present) in another series in the same network, a famous non-actor such as musician or athlete; it is not for listing every single guest star that ever appear in the TV series. Also, co-starring actors are not guest starring nor recurring, co-starring actors are just actors who have super minor roles and are below guest starring. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

According to your own website's definition of guest starring found here, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_appearance, this definition is incorrect. It reads as follows: "In a TV series, a guest star is an actor who appears in one or a few episodes (sometimes a story arc). In some cases a guest star may play an important recurring character and may appear many times in a series, despite not being a member of the main cast; they may ultimately be asked to join the main cast if their role continues. The title special guest star is typically used in television for a celebrity guest, but it is also occasionally used for a regular cast member—-usually for an actor or actress who is featured heavily but joined the show after the rest of the cast was signed." 2600:8807:A00:23:5568:8D8F:965C:8528 (talk) 04:49, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Again, Guest appearance is irrelevant as it is not a Wikipedia guideline nor policy. As I said, it is inappropriate to list every single guest stars on the guest section because guest section is for notable guest stars only and it is not for listing every single guest star that ever appear in the TV series. That is the general consensus on MOS:TV and WP:TV which you are still refusing to get the point. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:33, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

What guest listed isn't notable? Also, why are you so belligerent? And what does this mean, "which you are still refused to get the point"? 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 05:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTGETTINGIT. You keep on insisting on listing every single guest star. As said repeatedly, that is not what guest section is for. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Not true, I only listed known actors who have their guest appearance on Fantasy Island listed as credits. But since it didn't fit into your little box, you got mad. 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 05:58, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Anyone known actors is not going to cut it because anyone can claim any actor as a known actor. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Known actors as in they already have an established Wikipedia page with acting credits listed. Are you intentionally being obtuse? 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:17, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Just having a Wikipedia page for actor does not automatically make them a known actor. Again, WP:NOPA. Calling me obtruse is considered be a personal attack. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:22, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

What's "obtruse"? Again, just an observation and subjective. Perhaps it wouldn't upset a person who doesn't possess a fragile ego... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Speak for yourself. Right now, almost every single guest star have a Wikipedia article. Do you not realized that is pretty much listing every single guest star? — YoungForever^(talk) 06:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Do you not "realized" that most people go to Wikipedia for, wait for it, INFORMATION? 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

So what? Guest section is not all-inclusive. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

You're making this way more complicated than it needs to be. It's ok to admit that you're wrong. It's not going to make you look less smart or defeated. Quite the opposite, it will show that you can grow as a person and learn new things. Don't allow your ego to prevent you from growing as a person... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

You are the one who think Guest section is all-inclusive even though it is most certainly not. Do not expected me to admit I am wrong when am not wrong at all. Do not expect an apology from me because you are not going to get one. I have nothing to apologize to you. — YoungForever^(talk) 07:47, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Again, typical... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 07:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

And wouldn't the fact that there's a Wikipedia page present for an actor with ten or twenty acting credits mean that they're known to someone? 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:30, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Does not mean squat if they were never credited as part of a main cast member for TV series in the same network. A bunch guest roles or recurring roles are not going to cut it. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

See what I mean, you don't even want to listen to an opinion that's different than yours. How typical... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Having a bunch guest roles or recurring roles does not automatically make you a known actor. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

You're wrong, and again, it's ok to admit it... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:58, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

A bunch guest roles or recurring roles are not considered to be significant roles, please read WP:NACTOR. — YoungForever^(talk) 07:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

It's completely subjective as to who made a significant or prolific contribution. You keep splitting hairs... 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 07:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you should re-read this instead of having such a fragile ego and being so combative. "Civility is part of Wikipedia's code of conduct and one of its five pillars. The civility policy describes the standards expected of users and provides appropriate ways of dealing with problems when they arise. Stated simply, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect. They should focus on improving the encyclopedia while maintaining a pleasant editing environment by behaving politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates." 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 05:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Please read no personal attacks. Calling me a fragile ego is considered as a personal attack. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't call you a fragile ego, I said that you have a fragile ego based on the aggressive tone in your responses. 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:01, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

"There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion". My observation of your fragile ego is merely my interpretation of the cause of your poor attitude. 2600:8807:A00:23:D19D:BD53:E19A:17B4 (talk) 06:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Only notable guest stars should be listed. That will generally either be: 1) actors that are particularly notable, or 2) guest actors/characters that have significant stories in the episode (e.g. that episode's main guests, but not the other people the "main guests" interact with in their "fantasies" necessarily). Definitely, not "every" actor that is guest credited should be listed under 'Guest' cast.

The same general principle applies with 'recurring' actors/characters, though with the latter there is the added factor of "crediting level". For example, people who are listed as "Co-starring" (or "Featured") in a TV show's end-credits should generally not be listed under 'recurring' – only those listed at the "Guest starring" crediting level should be listed under 'Recurring'. There are sometimes a few exceptions to this, but it is quite rare. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Too subjective. Define "notable". Define "significant". SnowflakesAbound (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC) (Block evasion. Comment stricken. Amaury • 19:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC))

Yeah, no it's not – Wikipedia itself is about notability and only focusing on that. You need to review WP:INDISCRIMINATE, because what you want to do violates that... Also, are you the IP from above, and if so are you attempting to circumvent a block? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@IJBall: I've already reported them for that, and they're already blocked. Amaury • 19:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Blocked poster also doesn't seem to understand about consensus – editors, collectively, decide what is "notable"(/WP:DUE) article content, and they've now had 2–3 different editors explain to them that their "vision of inclusiveness" is not supported here (or anywhere else in WP:TV really). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)