Talk:Flag of Louisiana

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Hmm! I see a pelican, communism, a sortof wheel! Everything but DNA! 69.142.2.68 03:09, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

What are you saying?75.131.224.220 (talk) 05:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

WTF?

Huh? --DodgerOfZion 09:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Where is the blood in the picture?

No drops of blood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs) .

Done. Refresh the page.- Thanks, Hoshie 07:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Brown Pelican

I'm sorry but although the official state bird IS a Brown Pelican on the flag its a White Pelican —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rynosaur (talk • contribs) 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Pelicans

and should be included. I'm not qualified enough to write appropriate captions. --Beao 22:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Flag adopted in 2006? Wrong!

This is still the same flag adopted in 1912, but was MODIFIED (not adopted) in May 2006 to add the 3 drops of blood. -- Avazina, (Talk to me) 18:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Adopted is referring to the date the current design became official. Every design change is a new flag IMHO. Moreover: I wonder why 2006 is named in the infobox and not 2010.--Wester (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The reason 2010 is not listed is due to the fact there has only been an change in what the official artistic rendering of the flag; Not the actual legal description or specifications. See the flag of Cyrpus, last legally modified in 2006, but had it's official artistic rendering changed in 2012. -73.206.7.176 (talk) 16:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Someone could argue that the 2006 law didn't change the flag but, rather, merely rephrased the same flag in different language, because nobody working for flag-makers was aware of the significance of the choice of an animal "feeding its young" being a pelican. For the animal feeding its young to be a pelican refers to the myth (which is untrue) that, unlike a bear, cougar, or falcon, it will feed its young by self-vulning. A preachy MESSAGE is intended: "it's a noble thing to sacrifice your own blood to make your future descendants better off". Without the self-vulning, that message disappears, and this is just a random bird of Louisiana, not THE PARTICULAR bird that feeds its young by self-vulning. That was (it could be argued) true in 1912, and merely RESTATED (not changed) in different language (to give flag-makers no wiggle-room) in the 2006 law.

According to

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/342218/14852065/1319743050927/Final+A+Modern+History+of+the+Louisiana+Flag.pdf

this text is in the 1912 law:

QUOTE:

That the official flag of Louisiana shall be that flag now in general use, consisting of a solid blue field with the Coat-of-Arms of the State, the pelican feeding its young, in white in the center, with a ribbon beneath, also in white, containing in blue the motto of the State, "Union, Justice and Confidence," the whole showing as below.

UNQUOTE

If that's true the requirement for blood-drops goes back to 1912. If anyone argues that choosing the pelican to be the feeder of young does NOT make it unambiguous that self-vulning be depicted, I'd counter-argue that the 1912 law cited above (if the source URL is accurate) says "with the Coat-of-Arms of the State", and that Wikipedia's own article on that heraldry says that the 1902 law defining the coat-of-arms or state seal has the words "pelican in her piety" which means one and only one thing: feeding her chicks blood from wounds on her breast. So arguably every flag after the 1912 law SHOULD have had blood on it, whether it did or not. Therefore 2006 changes nothing but merely restates older law in newer language. But it may be that the specification of the blood at three drops, not two or less, nor four or more, is a new thing as of 2006. That would need some more research. It'd be nice if someone knows how to get the official statues for the seal/coat-of-arms of 1902, the flag law of 1912, and the 2006 law, word for word, complete. That could confirm or refute the idea that the 2006 merely rephrased and reiterated but did not change the 1912 law. A small problem is that while the 1912 law incorporates by reference the 1902 seal onto the flag, the 1902 law on the seal says it's a brown pelican, while the 1912 law says "white". That's not insurmountable: a brown pelican is a species of pelican, not a color of pelican, and so like a dragon it can be rendered in any color. Also the 1912 law may call for the entire seal (not just the bird) to be rendered in white on the flag, seals generally being the color of the metal from which they are made. Fuchsia pencil can depict The White House, Greenbacks, and Black-berries.2604:2000:C6AA:B400:206C:BE94:70F5:F5C (talk) 04:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson

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