Talk:Gold dinar

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Islamic gold dinar

Nota Bene: there is a competing page, Islamic gold dinar. These pages ought to be merged. A third page, Dinar, covers modern currencies. Aramgar (talk) 02:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The other page is, except for the history section, about the modern concept & use. There is a case for keeping all 3 with better links between them. Johnbod (talk) 03:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have improved the links between them, though I'm pretty neutral on the merging issue. Johnbod (talk) 01:28, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm now against a merge; the subjects are different. Johnbod (talk) 04:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Advertisements/linkspam removed

According to WP:LINKSPAM, links to commercial websites are not accepted, unless very specific circumstances speak in their favour. The gold dinar is a classical coin, created in the 7th century CE. The modern privately sponsered product is of negligible importance (at best) in comparison. In this context, links to commercial websites, such as "The official producer and promoter of the Islamic Dinar and Dirham" is linkspam. I have removed it together with other similar links.

Based on the article history, it appears that there has been a trend towards conflating the classical (medieval) dinar and the modern privately sponsored commercial product. I'd like to point out that there is already an article dealing with the modern commercial product (Islamic gold dinar). Also, dealing with the two products as a single concept is a somewhat artificial synthesis, that primarily serves to equip the modern product with a proud heritage.

If anyone wants to contribute material on the modern commercial Islamic gold dinar, by all means, do so. However, to comply with Wikipedias guidelines, the material contributed should be of such a nature that it does not turn the page into an "advertisement masquerading as an article". Much could be said about privately sponsored currencies, there is no need to copy-paste their products catalogue. Alfons Åberg (talk) 05:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Some Facts

The claim that minting of Dirhim (Sg.: Dirham) began 79AH is false. There are five mints known for 78AH, namely Adharbayjan, Arminiya, Bihuqubadh Al-Asfal, Al-Kufa and Shaqq Al-Taymara. These mints can be assumed to have had comparably low mintage numbers, since all of the dirhim are quite rare except for Arminiya and Al-Kufa which are still scarce.

The claim that there were 14 mints actively minting dirhim in 79AH if false. Known mints for the year 79AH are: Abarqubadh, Abrashar, Anbir, Ard, Bahurasir/Bahrusir, Bardasir, Al-Basra, Batijakhusra, Biramqubadh, "Dard" (actual reading disputed), Dasht Maysan, Dastawa, Dimashq (Damascus), Fasa, Fil or Qibal, Al-Furat, "HR" (presumably for Herat), Herat (appearing as such on the coin), Al-Hira, Istakhr, Jayy, Al-Jazira, Junday Sabur, Kaskar, Al-Kufa, Mah Al-Basra, Mah Al-Kufa, Mahi or Mahayy, Manadhir, Marw, Masabadhan, Maysan, Mihrijanqudhaq, Nahr Tira, Ramhurmuz, Al-Rayy, Sabur, Shaqq Al-Taymara, Suq Al-Ahwaz, Surraq, Al-Sus, Tustar and Al-Zawabi. Coins of the majority of these over 40 mints are considered at least rare for 79AH with a few exceptions (fist and foremost Dimashq and Al-Basra, with a few others listed as scarce). This indicates a slowly starting minting operation at a much larger scale than what could be guessed from the 14 mints mentioned in the article.

The number of mints then gradually diminishes, with a low of only three known active mints for dirhim in 86AH. Although this number eventually increases again (in addition to fluctuating with time), the bulk of later coins can be assumed to come from larger mints (first and foremost Wasit, active since 84AH, Dimashq, active since 79AH etc.) with massive minting numbers. Most years of Wasit and Dimashq are regarded as being abundantly available to collectors, hinting at the massive scale of minting operations there.

As a side note, the article mixes the description of the gold dinar with that of the silver dirhem and might more appropriately renamed to "Early Islamic Coinage" or "Post-Reform Islamic Coinage".

Reference for my claims above: "Stephen Album, Checklist of Islamic Coins, 3rd Edition. Published by Stephen Album Rare Coins, Santa Rosa, CA, USA, 2011." This is the most recent edition which added some new mints and insights on Umayyad coinage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.171.137.235 (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit. Please feel free to make any changes you feel are needed yourself. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the encyclopedia where we don't bite the newbies with condescending snark. — LlywelynII 22:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Purity

Does anybody know the purity (fineness) of these gold coins in the course of history? Somebody told me it is low. Glatisant (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I now know purity was high, 90+ %. Only in some areas like Central Asia, 12th century AD, gold coins of less purity were coined. And the Mongols eventually introduced silver dinars. But that's not in the scope of this article. Glatisant (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

See below. Purity varied and the article should discuss that. — LlywelynII 22:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Dates

Please add a range of date years to the article lede.-71.174.188.32 (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

A good suggestion, but not so easy to establish. I think the last dinars of the Arab Islamic type were issued by the last emirs of Spain in the end of the 15th century. Other Islamic empires of Indian, Turkish and Mongol peoples used gold coins with different names and weights. However, dinar comes from the Latin denarius aureus or 'gold coin'. The name 'dinar' is in use for Sassanid gold coins, and also for Kushan and Hunnic gold. You can see that (just a random result) here for instance in the Prof F.W. Pritchett pages on the Columbia University website. Glatisant (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup needed

The page currently seems very pat, pretending that the dinar was always of an established quality and size following its initial coining. From an old source albeit, that very much does not seem to have been the case. The article should include more treatment of the later dinars and their apparent range of values from the Maghreb into India. — LlywelynII 22:04, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Adam Abdullah publications

• Adam Abdullah, (2020, Apr.), "The Islamic Monetary Standard: The Dinar and Dirham", International Journal of Islamic Economics and Finance Studies, 6(1), pp.1-29

This was spammed, and looks like WP:REFSPAM.

Please review WP:COI in case it applies.

Please review WP:IS and WP:RS so we can address the quality and usefulness of the publication.

To start, who is this author? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@SheikhHussein

Please explain your edit here rather than edit war. Please read WP:BRD. DeCausa (talk) 18:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Quraysh

Is it true that the deciples of Abu Sufyan and the Quraysh and their descendants require the Gold dinar as currency?

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