Talk:Lavanttal

Lavant River

I've changed the reference to the river from "Lavant river" to "Lavant River" for the following reasons: 1) WP:NCRIVER stipulates "X", "X River", or "River X", but not "X river". It explicitly states that "'X river' (i.e. non-capitalized 'river') is not recommended." 2) Lavant River is common in published English sources; river Lavant is also possible, but less common. Doremo (talk) 11:06, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Doremo. I think WP:NCRIVER is talking there about article titles and I completely agree with that line that "X river" should not be used in the title. However, having been involved in River Project discussions, the accepted line was that European rivers are referred to solely by proper name (although "(river)" can be used for disambiguation). Here we're only adding "river" in the text to make it clear that the "Foo" is a river and not something else, whereas "Lavant River" sounds like both words are part of the proper name. Hope that makes sense! Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The title principle reflects the way the generic component of the proper noun is used in non-title (running text) contexts. It is not an exception; it confirms the capitalization pattern. Per WP:TITLEFORMAT one would use "X river" if possible, but the WP:NCRIVER guideline reflects that this is not typical for rivers (or generic components of other proper nouns): thus Bistrița River, Cernavodă Bridge, Tihuța Pass etc. (not Bistrița river, Cernavodă bridge, Tihuța pass) in both titles and running text. Both "the Lavant" and "the Lavant River" are possible; when the generic component river is adjacent to the specific noun it becomes part of the proper name, like the Nile = the Nile River, the Danube = the Danube River, etc. Doremo (talk) 04:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Would you say that "River Lavant" is also okay then? --Bermicourt (talk) 07:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

It is not a syntactic choice that I would naturally use, although others might. The order generic-specific is legitimate in published English sources (see hits here), but is significantly less common than the specific-generic order Lavant River (see hits here). Doremo (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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