Talk:Matsya

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Does someone know how to write this in Devanagari? 141.161.58.114 16:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Some changes

I've rewritten the story in simple English. I've also deleted the stuff which claims that "Sathyavrata was the ruler of original, greater Dravida, that might have stretched from Madagascar and East Africa to Southernmost India and further to Southeast Asia and Australia". Why???

The last thing we need are theories about what the original Dravidian land was like! This is a mythology page. Let's stick to that...I'm open to further suggestions. Please note that this is "work in progress":)..I'm doing my best and my source is "Hindu Mythology" by WJ Wilkins (second edition) by Rupa and co. Here:http://www.rupapublications.co.in/client/Book/HINDU-MYTHOLOGY.aspx

I've also read these stories many times so I'm also drawing upon that. Will do my best for the references and sources. freewit (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I am removing dravida line, it is WP:OR without references. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 04:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I might not insist on mentioning how far 'Dravida' stretched but the MATSYA PURANA itself states that Satyvrata (Manu) was the Emperor of the then Dravida and that has always meant South India. Also there is mention of the Malaya Hills a part of Southwestern India in the Western Ghats where he is supposed to have done penance according to the MP.Anup Ramakrishnan (talk) 02:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I am notsure who has writtenthis topic provide eferences of only non Indian authors and what authority these authors have on Indian Mythology. 76.186.131.187 (talk) 06:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Matsya/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 22:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review. The review will follow the same sections of the Article. Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 22:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Whiteguru. Will await your comments.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:25, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

 

Hopefully I will get around to this in the next day or so.

 

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Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

   HTML document size: 210 kB
   Prose size (including all HTML code): 37 kB
   References (including all HTML code): 63 kB
   Wiki text: 43 kB
   Prose size (text only): 21 kB (3747 words) "readable prose size"
   References (text only): 8374 B

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• Lead is well scribed, a good introduction.
• We have Saviour in the headings and savior in the text. Can we settle on one spelling?

• Standardized to Indian English.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Good to see the reference to Monier-Williams!
• 'law of the fishes' and dharmic protection: a good line. A good capture in reference 21.
• fish-Agni is a good statement as Agni is the oldest and first deity to be worshipped in vedic rituals.
• Hayagriva, yes. Hayagsiras is not a term I have come across before. What's the source?

* Generally an epithet of Hayagriva, but in Narada Purana used for the asura. Cross-checked the ref again. It says that Matsya killed Hayasiras who stole the Vedas. Also, Hayagriva killed Madhu and Kaitabha, who did the same thing.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• I'd like to see a distinction (possibly in the form of a note) between the 'laws of the Man' and the Laws of Manu - as Manu is frequently mentioned in this section. This is to ensure your reader is not confused.

• it was "law of the fishes", changed by someone to "laws of the Man". Crosschecked the ref.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• The article follows an appropriate order: Vedic origins, saviour of Manu, Saviour of the Vedas, Avatar lists, other scriptural references, Iconography, Evolution, Symbolism and Worship. In this wise, there is a good flow in this article.
• There is a sharp, succinct summary of the various flood myths. Well handled.
• cosmogonic myth: evolution to involution to evolution again in a new manvantara. A good summary of the underlying connectivity and divinity of Matsya narratives.
• Interesting reference to the Meena community. Was not aware of this connection.

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

• Yes, NPOV is preserved in this article.
• There is a balance between exegesis of the mythology and relevance of the mythology to Vedic culture.

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Page created 7 October 2002
• Page has 765 edits by 309 editors
• 90 day page views = 42,019 views with a daily average of 462 views
• Page is stable, ClueBot NG, AnomieBOT, IA Bot and Citation bot have all been on the page.
• Majority of edits on page occurred during 2020.

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• 10 Images on page.
• Images are appropriately licensed and tagged.

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1. Overall:

• For one who is familiar with Hindu mythology and the Dasavatars, this is brilliant and fast read; you don't trip up anywhere reading this.
• The presentation of the multiple sources for Matsya is well laid out with explanation and background.
• Good work on the references.
• Some minor matters and questions that we might clean up? Thank you. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Whiteguru for the review. Hopefully addressed all your concerns.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:07, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for your corrections @Redtigerxyz:. --Whiteguru (talk) 20:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Whiteguru for the detailed review and pass.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:13, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

 

 Passed

 

Time concept of yugas in general

Matsya Avatar is in Satya Yuga. Thevtime span is many ulyears ago. Satya yuga was the lengthiest with 1728000 years Treta Yuga was 1296000 year Dwapara Yuga was 864000 years and Kali Yuga started by the Samadhi pf Krishna was BCE 3102. Sri Krishna lived only for 126 years. By that calculation 3102+2022= 5124 years+ Kali Yugal years is 432000. We are in Vaivasvatha Manu and we are halfway into our universal time which is 155.3 Trillion years. And our Brahman is in His 1st day after passing the 50th year. 116.68.75.60 (talk) 18:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Time frame of Matsya Avathar.

Is appx. 3.6 million years ago. 116.68.75.60 (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

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