Talk:My Korean Jagiya

Cast

MOS:TVCAST states - "Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed" the cast list in this article fails notability guidelines and needs to be trimmed. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah right and reducing the section to only two characters is right? Have you even seen the show to say who are notable within the show? Keep removing those names and you will be reported again for edit warring. Editors have been editing this article and you are the ONLY one to reduce the entire cast section to two cast members. Hotwiki (talk) 19:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Then perhaps we can do what talk pages are designed for and reach a compromise. Firstly, I think a lot of the actors fail notability and guest roles also fail notability. Do you think that every character that is currently listed is required? I think working towards removing 50% of the character list would be a good start. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

First of all, you clearly didn't watch the show as there are handful of recurring characters that aren't mentioned in the article, as they weren't credited in any article or listed in the show's end credits. It wasn't like the guest actors only appeared in a single episode, and if only you watched the entire show, you would know that isn't the case. All the supporting cast listed have appeared in at least a hundred episodes of the show. If that's not meeting notability to you, then you are clearly wrong. Also, a lot of articles have mentioned the actors that they are in the show, try researching first, I don't see how fails notability. Just because you don't know them or they aren't "popular" enough to you, it doesn't make them irrelevant to the said show. Also at one point, the characters section had a more detailed description but I deleted them because they were spoiling the show and it didn't meet the manual of style. You have also removed the only one cast photo without an explanation. You aren't helping the article by deleting 95% of the characters that have appeared in the show. And you should take your own advice by taking it to the talk page first in doing drastic edits. You clearly didn't do that when you almost blanked the entire section.Hotwiki (talk) 08:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"you clearly didn't watch the show " " you are clearly wrong" "try researching first"

You might want to modify your tone a little. This isn't a fight, it's collaborative project. Thank you.

"And you should take your own advice by taking it to the talk page first in doing drastic edits." sorry, I thought you were aware of BRD. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Having a long cast list doesn't make this as a fansite. Also, the article isn't overtly detailed. You clearly have an agenda here.Hotwiki (talk) 09:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

" You clearly have an agenda here" - oh no!! You discovered me. And yes, I do have an agenda here. I'm on a top secret mission to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles for the benefit of all mankind.

"the article isn't overtly detailed." that is your opinion. When I compare it to other similar articles, it is baho of ownership and fancruft. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

How are you helping this article by removing 95% of the cast members. The cast descriptions aren't long and written in neutral tone. The other sections arent overly detailed as well. You are making an issue out of nothing. You have Also ignored when I adrressed that not every character that have appeared in the show is written in the article. You are the only editor in this article's history to having an issue about this. See in you content dispute page.Hotwiki (talk) 09:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"How are you helping this article by removing 95% of the cast members." - I'm sorry, did you not see or understand my offer that said " I think working towards removing 50% of the character list would be a good start." ?

"See in you content dispute page." Wow. Just wow. You really are looking for a fight. Jeez bro, calm down. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Did you forget that you removed more than 50% in your first edit in the article? Your edit is misguided. The tone of the article is neutral and the article is not large to be classified as "overly detailed". You have an agenda here, and given the track record of your edit history and block history, I'm not surprised. You'll be reported for this. The cast (not just two cast members) is important to the article and the article is neutral and not in a fansite territory to be tagged by such templates. Hotwiki (talk) 10:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"given the track record of your edit history and block history, I'm not surprised." - take a look at your own block history before being concerned with mine. Sorry, you don't seem willing to discuss anything apart from "It's all good, the article is perfect - don't change anything" - sorry po, but this article isn't your property and compromise is a big factor in why Wikipedia is so great - you might want to try it yourself. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

You have been blocked more and have been for bigger reasons. Anyway see you in the content dispute page when I filed a report.Hotwiki (talk) 10:27, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Why are you looking for a fight? I came to this discussion page to see how we could reach a compromise, but you just seem determined to file reports. This isn't the right attitude, bro - just chill out and learn how to discuss differences. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Tagging the article for being a "fansite" and not being neutral are also both false, which added more to your problematic edits towards this article. You clearly don't have enough reasons to use those templates for this article. Hotwiki (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I think the amount of detail about very minor characters is something that belongs on a fansite, hence the tag. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The descriptions are either 1 or 2 sentences long and they are written neutrally. Again you are making an issue out of nothing. The article is small and isn't overly detailed. Hotwiki (talk) 11:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

There are about 60 lines of the article devoted to cast. You don't need descriptions in the cast section - you need the actor's and character's name. For example:

Khaine dela Cruz as Paolo "Pao" Kim

The son of Ji-hu and Cindy. Gia tutors him in school, while his uncle, Jun-ho takes care of him.

should be

Khaine dela Cruz as Paolo "Pao" Kim

and you certainly don't need 30 characters for this minor drama. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Its a primetime show from a major network in the Philippines which lasted for more than 100 episodes. That's not minor. Again, you are showing your cluelessness about the show. Also there's no limitation according to MOS:TV in how many characters should be mentioned for a TV show. The characters are listed simply because they are part of the show. Hotwiki (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Please modify your tone. Comments such as "you are showing your cluelessness..." are not very polite or civil. This is just a content dispute, I don't understand why you have to be rude about it. Thank you. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I've trimmed the cast list. Not quite as much as before. I've reformatted the text. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

You just made the cast list VERY incomplete. Remove it again, and this issue will be brought up to ANI. Your edits here are very suspicious and questionable.Hotwiki (talk) 07:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

ANI for a content dispute? Have you considered discussing articles on talk pages and reaching a compromise, rather than having a tantrum and making reports every time you don't get your own way? This is not constructive. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

There's no compromise or consensus yet, for you to start removing content again. That's why you are being reported.Hotwiki (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, due to your aggressive tone and argumentative attitude it is impossible to reach a compromise with you. So, I shall just edit the article in line with similar articles and Wikipedia guidelines. Of course if there is some form of consensus to retain the content then I shall respect that consensus. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

your edits are unwarranted. You will just have to wait until someone chimes in. I'm not removing the false tags you posted in the article for a reason. If that's not a compromise, then I don't know what it is. Also watch the show or better yet do your research about the show to inform yourself what you are removing from the article. Hotwiki (talk) 10:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

"You will just have to wait until someone chimes in." that's okay, they already did. In the ANI report an uninvolved editor has already commented that the current cast list is too long. So, I guess now that someone has "chimed in", it's okay to trim that section. Thanks for the confirmation of how things need to proceed. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Again, you have no basis in removing those names other than you don't watch the show and you deemed it as "a minor show". Should I ping the editors that added those names in this article? I didn't come up with the entire cast section after all. Plenty of TV articles have a complete cast list, mentioning the supporting cast and all guest actors. This article is already incomplete as certain actors aren't mentioned. You can check its IMDb page to make a comparison and learn that not every actor is mentioned. So what is it to you, that you keep removing those names? You haven't seen the show and you Havent edited this when it was on the air? What is exactly your objective here?

Consensus: Should the entire cast section be reduced?

Pinging @WayKurat:, @Oripaypaykim:, @Sakura8090:, @Hansthewiki:, @Mc Eduard Figueroa: and @Magindara:

Editor User:Spacecowboy420 is claiming that the cast section should be trimmed, leaving the cast section incomplete. He called the show "a minor show" and reduced the cast section into just two cast members during his first edit in this article. I'm asking the registered editors who have edited/contributed in this article for their opinion if the cast section should be trimmed or not. Hotwiki (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:CANVAS doesn't apply now? Besides, you do realize that consensus isn't achieved with a vote, don't you? Spacecowboy420 (talk) 12:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Its not canvassing as I am asking for their honest opinion. They have contributed in this article before. What happened to you collaborative approach? Also, if majority of the editors have agreed to something, then that should we do here. If you have a problem with this approach, you can always bring this issue to the administrators. Hotwiki (talk) 13:04, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Of course it's canvassing. I notice you didn't ping other editors who also trimmed the cast list. Why didn't you ping editors who also trimmed the cast list? Ah, of course - you carefully chose editors who would support your opinion & that is why it's canvassing. "What happened to you collaborative approach?" - it's alive and kicking, why do you ask? "If you have a problem with this approach, you can always bring this issue to the administrators." not my style - it's a content dispute, not something that I would waste my time taking to ANI or 3RR. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

But maybe I should take your advice and bring this to the administrators. How did that go for you? I noticed you reported me to ANI, did that have the outcome you were looking for? Let's hope for your sake that it went a little better than when you reported me to 3RR and were told "No, this is a content dispute - don't post this here" and had your report closed Spacecowboy420 (talk) 13:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)