Talk:The Russell Brand Show prank calls

Georgina Bailie

Shouldn't she have her own article? She has certainly received enough coverage in reliable secondary sources, even if it is only for one news story (i.e. discouraged under WP:ONEEVENT). I'm sure that enough information can be gathered about her unrelated to Sachsgate to make the page worthwhile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.96.22 (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes very much so. Before this whole episode blew-up in the British press there was a small article on here about her. It needs to be re-instated. There are plenty of pictures and information availible in the public domain. Exactly why typing her name in the wikipedia search box redirects to this page is a mistery. AMX (talk) 12:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing to indicate her separate notability in the last week apart from this incident, and previous precedent is to redirect here until she achieves independent notability. That latter has not been achieved, and therefore I am boldly closing this as a failed proposal. Rodhullandemu 02:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

There is now plenty of relevance for her to have her own page. She is currently performing on tour with Adam Ant and has started a band of her own, who I believe have quite a lot of fans. 0:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

One ex Poussez Posse member Fiona Bevan does already have Wikipedia notability. In due course The Featherz will have enough in the bag for their own article too. At that point, the Poussez Posse mk1 (and by dint of being a later line-up Poussez Posse mk2) will become ipso facto Wiki notable (two or more independently notable members.) If Georgie and Hazel's current band Vortex Empress can also get something into the charts then Georgie will have been in two independently notable bands and she too will become wiki notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.227.206 (talk) 22:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed The Featherz do now have their own page, but stricly speaking Danie Cox (the only ex PP'er left in the band) would have to become sufficiently individually noteable to have her OWN separate page in order for her to count towards notability for the PP. Vortex Empress seems to have ground to a halt so I don't see them becoming Wiki notable any time soon - Georgina is currently at drama college and keeping a low profile. By now, she is more likely to make it as an actress than as a singer. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

If SLADY achieve Wikipedia notability then Danie Cox/Danie Centric/Gobby Holder will pass WP:MUSICBIO under criterion #5 is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles in which case the Poussez Posse will pass WP:BAND Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians. (In which case Molly Spiers Macleod/Molly Energi and Rachael Smith would also pass WP:MUSICBIO under criterion #5. In fact Featherz drummer Dazzle Monroe (also formerly of Extreme Noise Terror under the name "Pig Killer") already technically passes WP:MUSICBIO for this reason.) 2.24.70.211 (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Related issue - Poussez Posse mk2 bassist (and widow of Tom Edwards) Charis Anderson's current band Curse of Lono are starting to make some waves and may earn themselves a Wikipedia article. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 09:40, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, they now have one. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 09:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

A Georgina Baillie article has been created which passed GNG and WP:SINGER (sources Louder Than War (website), Evening Standard, Tampa Bay Times.)Romomusicfan (talk) 20:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Making the introduction more accurate

I'm researching this topic extensively - including speaking to people who were involved in the affair - and have noticed a few inaccuracies in the introduction of the page. I have been advised by previous contributors to start a discussion on this Talk page rather than simply go ahead and make too many changes.

The summary, as it stands, doesn't really reflect the facts accurately.

Specifically:

• The second paragraph starts "After little attention". It's not that there was 'little attention' before the The Mail on Sunday; there was none at all.
• It doesn't mention the name of the journalist who broke the story, Miles Goslett.
• It doesn't cover any of the discussion with Meg Poole, Sachs's agent
• The fact 44,790 people complained to the BBC about this programme in response to the Mail on Sunday's story is important enough to be included in the summary

It seems important the genesis of the scandal is explained to readers at the start of the page, so would be very interested to hear other contributor's thoughts.

"Songwriting" reaction

Wouldn't this section be better in the article on Adam Ant rather than being treated as (non-notable) Georgina Baillie's reaction to the RBSPTCR; it does seem to have a lot more to do with his career and associated acts, but it isn't mentioned on that page at all? And on that page the "Ant" business matters much less. Paul S (talk) 10:39, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

If you think that Georgina Baillee's reaction doesn't belong on this page just because of her being non notable (4WIW she has had a redirect to this page since 2008) then surely that applies to her interviews as well as her songs, in which case you would have to search for a new home for that section too. It is clearly relevant to this article that one of the main participants in the saga spent over 18 months of her life touring round (at decent sized venues supporting a major artist) singing a song onstage with her band that she co-wrote about the whole episode.

The section probably does need some bits trimming out - The Sun has been deprecated as a source since the section was written and Adam's comments about Georgina probably don't add anything now that Gun In Your Pocket is actually out and has been for many years.

By the way, I think you'll find all people mentioned in this article - Ross, Brand, Baillee, Ant, Sachs etc are called by their surnames after the first mention as they are in all properly written Wikipedia articles. This is correct as per MOS:SURNAME "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only, without an honorific prefix such as "Mr.", "Mrs.", "Ms.", "Miss", "Mx" (this includes academic or professional prefixes like "Dr.", "Prof.", "Rev.", etc.), or may be referred to by a pronoun. For example: "Fred Smith was a Cubist painter in the early 20th century. He moved to Genoa, where he met singer Gianna Doe. Smith and Doe later married." .... Generally speaking, subjects should not otherwise be referred to by their given name. ....People who are best known by a pseudonym should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used." 165.225.81.100 (talk) 12:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Have pruned this back as suggested above - removed details of live performances/club airplay of the song (which was probably very exciting for gig-starved Antfans ten years ago but now, years into his comeback, just loks mundane and trivial) as well as the quote from the deprecated The Sun. The paragraph about Rubber Medusa now has a more propotionate share of the section which is only right as Georgina actually sang the song and it was written from her prespective. Less abut Adam, more about Georgina. 86.133.86.173 (talk) 15:17, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Brand's firm

One of the citations quotes:

Brand's show was made by his own firm

but we don't mention that in the body. What's the name of the firm? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:21, 18 September 2023 (UTC)