Talk:Typhoon Jebi

The lead

"...known in the Philippines as Typhoon Maymay." This strikes me rather as odd, but I am no expert here. What connection does this cyclone has with Philippines that it warrants this bold mention? That's not clear from the article. pinging @Meow:. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Both the Philippines and Japan name storms near their countries. They do not share the same name list. Rmhermen (talk) 17:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

In any case, we could add information for the reasoning behind Jebi being assigned Maymay by PAGASA. I have one already in place.

"By September 2nd, the typhoon was caught on the borders of the Philippine Area of Responsibility, and was assigned the name Maymay by PAGASA despite the typhoon never reaching any land within the Philippines"

Hope that's enough. --SansUT (talk | contributions) 12:52, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I hate that description as Jebi is completely unrelated to the Philippines.-- 🐱💬 14:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

It's an unfortunate situation since Jebi accidentally entered the PAR slightly. I say the word "slightly" as the typhoon just entered the border and left without any damage
See that's the problem with the PAR. The size of this giant region cover most of Taiwan which isn't even part of the Philippines, and several islands in Japan, and if they reach that location, then the PAGASA is forced to add their own regional name there.
I don't even understand why they have a presence in the Pacific typhoon area when weather bureaus like the Japan Meteorological Agency and the Joint Typhoon Warning Center exist. --SansUT (talk | contributions) 16:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@SansUT: the region also encompasses Taiwan because large systems in that area can greatly enhance the southwest monsoon and wreak havoc in the Philippines (eg Typhoon Morakot). Gives PAGASA an easy way to alert people of impending dangerous weather. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Name

What's with this name Jebi? This is typhoon number 21 of Heisei 30, not Jebi or Chebi. Typhoons have nothing to do with Korea and Japan doesn't recognize such foolish naming of their typhoons.—240f:31:34b4:1:987:cf27:71f:970a (talk • contribs) 11:05, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The Japan Meteorological Agency disagrees with you. Rmhermen (talk) 03:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

no, this is Typhoon niju ichigou https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%B3%E6%88%9030%E5%B9%B4%E5%8F%B0%E9%A2%A8%E7%AC%AC21%E5%8F%B7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:31:34B4:1:987:CF27:71F:970A (talk) 04:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Is this chart unnecessary?

Maximum sustained wind speed and minimum pressure of Typhoon Jebi

Please join a discussion held at Talk:Hurricane Florence#Is this chart unnecessary?.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 04:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Please note that the image in the above post was removed from this article and linked discussion is for the inclusion/exclusion of all charts of a similar nature. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 03:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 21 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: (non-admin closure) NOT MOVED. Consensus is that there is enough potential for confusion with Chebi (an alternate romanization) that there are other topics, and it's not yet clear that the 2018 storm is the primary topic (though it may be viewed as one in the future). power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:30, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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Typhoon Jebi (2018) → Typhoon Jebi – The only storm named "Jebi" reached typhoon intensity, unlikely to have confusion with the initial name "Chebi", may be a primary topic as it caused more than US$3 billion damage in Japan. B dash (talk) 08:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Pronunciation is identical and may not be clear to a non-native speaker. When I type "typhoon chebi" into Google the first thing that pops up is "typhoon chebi 2018", so I disagree that confusion is unlikely. ~ KN2731 {t · c} 09:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - @B dash:'s reasonings is not accurate in my opinon as the name Jebi was not a new name - just a corrected version of the name Chebi. As a result, I do feel that the name could cause confusion with Typhoon Chebi (2006) and as @KN2731: has already pointed out the media/Google are still getting confused over the names.Jason Rees (talk) 11:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
• Somewhat Support I believe that confusion between "Chebi" and "Jebi" is going to happen, I do think that the storm was notable enough to be moved to Typhoon Jebi from Typhoon Jebi (2018) BananaIAm (talk) 21:19, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
• Hold - I say to hold for now. If it is retired in April, move the article. If not, I oppose it. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 15:16, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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Todo

Japan

• Fire and Disaster Management Agency report dated August 20, 2019
• Insured losses stabilised at US$13–14 billion after loss creep: 1, 2
• At least 1.1 trillion yen (though this converts to about US$11 billion)
• Look through news from Digital Typhoon
  • Hirano Shrine: hall of worship was destroyed
  • >16,000 trees downed in Kyoto Prefecture, damage to elementary school in Kawachinagano City
  • Forced reevaluation of typhoon response at KIX and HND airports
  • KIX: inundation of runway, 8,000 stranded passengers and staff
  • More repairs to KIX
• Power losses, damage to KIX, damage to Kyoto Station
• Something from Osaka
• Alternatively simply translate from corresponding Japanese article
  • Insured losses at 1.6 trillion yen
  • Insurance payouts for FY2018-19 highest in recorded history
• Possibly more stuff
• Support measures from Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries

Russia

• September 5: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]
• September 6: [6]

JMA best track (original)

AXPQ20 RJTD 190500 RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE BEST TRACK NAME 1821 JEBI (1821) PERIOD FROM AUG2618UTC TO SEP0706UTC 2618 11.0N 160.5E 1008HPA //KT 2700 11.9N 159.7E 1008HPA //KT 2706 12.8N 159.2E 1008HPA //KT 2712 13.6N 158.9E 1008HPA //KT 2718 14.5N 157.9E 1004HPA 35KT 2800 15.4N 157.0E 1000HPA 40KT 2806 16.2N 156.3E 1000HPA 40KT 2812 16.6N 155.6E 996HPA 45KT 2818 16.7N 154.4E 992HPA 50KT 2900 17.0N 153.5E 990HPA 60KT 2906 17.3N 152.3E 985HPA 65KT 2912 17.3N 151.4E 980HPA 70KT 2918 17.4N 150.5E 965HPA 80KT 3000 17.6N 149.1E 955HPA 85KT 3006 17.7N 148.1E 940HPA 90KT 3012 17.8N 146.9E 935HPA 95KT 3018 17.8N 145.4E 925HPA 100KT 3100 17.9N 144.2E 915HPA 105KT 3106 18.3N 142.7E 915HPA 105KT 3112 18.5N 141.5E 915HPA 105KT 3118 19.1N 140.2E 915HPA 105KT 0100 19.6N 139.2E 915HPA 105KT 0106 20.4N 138.3E 915HPA 105KT 0112 21.0N 137.3E 925HPA 100KT 0118 21.8N 136.5E 935HPA 95KT 0200 22.7N 135.8E 935HPA 95KT 0206 23.7N 135.0E 935HPA 95KT 0212 24.5N 134.4E 935HPA 95KT 0218 25.5N 133.8E 935HPA 95KT 0300 26.6N 133.2E 940HPA 90KT 0306 27.5N 132.6E 940HPA 90KT 0312 28.6N 132.6E 940HPA 90KT 0318 30.3N 132.8E 945HPA 85KT 0400 32.4N 133.7E 950HPA 85KT 0406 35.6N 135.7E 965HPA 75KT 0412 39.2N 137.7E 970HPA 65KT 0418 43.2N 139.9E 975HPA 50KT 0500 46.5N 139.0E 976HPA //KT 0506 49.3N 137.5E 976HPA //KT 0512 51.2N 136.3E 980HPA //KT 0518 52.8N 136.2E 980HPA //KT 0600 54.0N 136.5E 982HPA //KT 0606 54.9N 136.9E 984HPA //KT 0612 55.7N 137.5E 986HPA //KT 0618 56.7N 137.8E 990HPA //KT 0700 58.7N 137.8E 992HPA //KT 0706 62.1N 136.3E 996HPA //KT REMARKS TD FORMATION AT AUG2618UTC FROM TD TO TS AT AUG2718UTC FROM TS TO STS AT AUG2818UTC FROM STS TO TY AT AUG2906UTC FROM TY TO STS AT SEP0418UTC FROM STS TO L AT SEP0500UTC OUT OF AREA AT SEP0706UTC=

~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:24, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hurricane Noah (talk · contribs) 01:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Will do tomorrow. Noah^Talk 01:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• was an extremely damaging tropical cyclone that became the strongest typhoon to strike Japan since Yancy in 1993 as well as Japan's costliest typhoon I would cut this since the latter half of the sentence explains its damage in more detail.
• Jebi formed from a tropical depression south-southwest of Wake Island on August 26 I assume you meant disturbance.
• before becoming the twenty-first named storm of the 2018 Pacific typhoon season on August 27. Delete before.
• then rapidly intensified as it passed the Northern Mariana Islands on August 30 I would change then to "and later".
• Subsequently, Jebi reached peak intensity as a powerful typhoon on August 31 Add "its" before peak. Also, I would rather you say Category 5-equivalent instead of a powerful typhoon as it gives more detail on the intensity and is less subjective than "powerful".
• Jebi caused large waves along the coast of Taiwan that caused at least six fatalities I would change that to "resulting in" to vary it up from the previous portion.
• and power outages affected storage of livestock and produce Add "the" before storage.
• repairs to the bridge only completed seven months later I would replace only with were

Met

• Link Coordinated Universal Time on the first mention of UTC.
• as Jebi developed maximum sustained winds of 95 km/h (60 mph) I would change Jebi to "its" since the name has already been mentioned. Also, I would say "maximum sustained winds increased to..." rather than developed
• The JTWC analysed that Jebi intensified into a super typhoon Could you add a note explaining what the minimum threshold for this status is?
• The cycle completed by 21:00 UTC on August 31 while Jebi began to curve northward through a weakness in the subtropical ridge,[17] however drier air then began to impinge on the southern portion on the circulation, resulting in continued weakening. Could you split this after ridge? Also, however should have a comma after it.
• causing convection to warm Add its before convection.
• As a result, the JTWC assessed that Jebi weakened below super typhoon status at 18:00 UTC on September 1. I would say "had weakened" and "by 18:00 UTC".
• despite Jebi maintaining a ragged yet well-defined eye.[22] This should be split off into its sentence. It is also missing a word.
• Later on September 3, an extratropical cyclone approaching Jebi from the northwest began to accelerate Jebi north-northeast I would remove the first mention of Jebi.
• with the JTWC declaring Jebi no longer a tropical cyclone "Declaring that" and "Jebi was"
• before also declaring Change also to later.

Effects

• At Kankūjima (the island of Kansai International Airport) I would say "the island where ... is located".
  • I just changed it to mention KIX only - since the airport covers the entire island there's really no difference. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• significantly higher than Add "which was" before this part.
• Restoration works completed fully only on September 20 This is a bit jumbled.
• nearby Itami Airport and Kobe Airport --> "the nearby Itami and Kobe Airports" You can maintain links on just the first part of the names.
• off Kushimoto, Wakayama Comma after the second part of the location.

That should be it for this article. Noah^Talk 23:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah: should be done. Hope I didn't miss anything - am somewhat tired now since school's resumed and I have to readjust my sleep cycle. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 14:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 22 September 2021

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The result of the move request was: Consensus for a move to Typhoon Jebi exists per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (closed by non-admin page mover)Noah^Talk 13:08, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

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• Typhoon Jebi (2018) → Typhoon Jebi
• Typhoon Jebi → List of storms named Jebi

– Jebi 2018 is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It was one of the costliest tropical cyclones ever to affect Japan, though was not retired. Compared to the other Jebi, 2013, pageviews show that the 2018 storm is the clear Primarytopic. Additionally, 2018 caused more deaths than 2013 (21 vs 7). As for the second RM, if this article was to be moved to Typhoon Jebi, the DAB that is currently occupying that name should be moved elsewhere. Destroyer (Alternate account) 19:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly Support – The 2018 Typhoon Jebi is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It is one of the costliest typhoons on record (the second-costliest, without factoring in inflation), and all of the other Jebis pale in comparison to this one, in terms of impacts. If there is any potential for confusion regarding any of the other storms with this name, we can always add a hatnote at the top of the article. Per WP policy, subjects that are the clear primary topic should get the main title. Retirement status doesn't actually matter, as site-wide WP policies overrule local policies. A small number of users active on Weather articles need to drop the pretense that only retired storms can get the main title; this is blatantly false and in direct opposition to established Wikipedia policy. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose a lot more helpful for those who don't know the year to have the year visible. Events that repeat don't have to have the year shorn. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
  • @In ictu oculi: Events that repeat don't have to have the year shorn Could you please clarify that? Thanks, Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm guessing what they meant is that since the name Jebi wasn't retired, there will be another Typhoon Jebi in a few years that could be similarly damaging and/or more deadly, which would create the additional trouble of moving this article back to the current title. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 10:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
• Support per User:LightandDark2000 and meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 11:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

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