Talk:William Booth

NPOV

Promoted to glory??? Doesn't sound very NPOV, I'm changing it. Why would the Salvation Army change the word "died" to Promoted to Glory? It sounds very nice and interesting but..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.42.126 (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It is simply what they call dieing - see Promoted to Glory. As Christians they believe that when they die they go (or are "promoted") to heaven (or glory). It fits in with their military vocabulary and structure - "promoted". Jack1956 (talk) 22:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I have rephrased the parenthesized mention of Promoted to Glory to state it was Salvationist parlance. (My paternal grandparents and great-grandparents were incidentally Salvationists and my paternal grandmother - born 1906 - recalled as a girl being taken by her parents to see Booth preach on a visit to her native Manchester.)Cloptonson (talk) 19:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ives Neighbor?

pardon me for not being incredibly well versed in wikipedia, but Charles Ives (an american composer) was never a neighbor of William Booth, as the article claimed. William Booth never took up permanent residency in the US, in fact.According to http://www.pbs.org/wnet/ihas/icon/booth.html, Ives did share a neighborhood with Booth's daughter Evangeline in Hartsdale, NY, but the relevancy of such is a stretch at best. I left the information, corrected, in the article, but I don't think it's terribly important information, as the composition was inspired more by Lindsay's writing style than by sharing a street corner with Booths young daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.16.209 (talk) 11:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary, it is an interesting piece of cultural history, if true, and since you offer no evidence for your claim, or rather conjecture, as to Ives' actual inspiration, there should be no thought of altering the entry. Moreover, your opening comment is completely beside the point, since the article makes no such claim about Ives being a neighbour of William Booth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.180.143 (talk) 05:51, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

POV

this article seems really biased toward the Salvation army. "He and the other soldiers of God's Army..." " His mission was to win the world for Jesus. The Salvation Army was a classic 'ultra-revivalist movement,' preaching repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as the means of forgiveness and regeneration." All these make it seem as if the Salvation Army really an army for god, which, albeit I'm atheist, probably isn't a good thing. I say we should remove/change these and other POV sentences. The thing one needs to know concerning "Gods Army" is The Salvation Army does not claim to be God's only army but a army for God.4.68.248.200 03:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Xunflash 19:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Sources

What sources have been used for this article? --PaulGarner 09:57, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy of this article

These passages are William Booth's words taken from Railton's biography:

"Before my father's death I had been apprenticed by his wish. I was very young, only thirteen years of age, but he could not afford to keep me longer at school, and so out into the world I must go."

"I had scarcely any income as an apprentice, and was so hard up when my father died, that I could do next to nothing to assist my dear mother and sisters, which was the cause of no little humiliation and grief."

Samuel Booth's year of death must have been sometime in the 1840s, not 1832. The statement "... William was apprenticed to a pawnbroker's shop to help support his mother and sisters." is invalidated by the second passage. --PaulGarner 11:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Blind Beggar? You sure?

The Blind Beggar pub wasn't around in the 1860's (was built in 1894 according to the Blind Beggar's own website), so there is no chance of him preaching outside it. Should be changed to 'the site of the blind beggar' or find the name of the venue it was before hand. It's like saying the festival of Britain (1951) took place at the Millenium Dome (which was not built till 2000), just because the 1951 'Dome of Discovery' was situated on the same site. DarkMithras 4th September at silly in the morning 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.246.254 (talk) 00:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The pub that stood on that site previous to the current Blind Beggar building was also called the Blind Beggar. History documents this well, both internally within The Salvation Army and externally. - A Clark, 21/6/2011

Saints banner and category

Based on this individual being included in the Calendar of saints (Church of England), I am adding the Category:Anglican saints and the Saints WikiProject banner to this article. I am awaiting reliable sources which can be used to add the content to the article. John Carter 16:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Grandchildren

I was at school with Justin Leonard Theodore Booth-Clibborn, a very clever chap how I am sure will be notable in his own right one day, but the list of grandchildren has only one blue link; I propose to remove it shortly if there is no credible objection. Guy (Help!) 23:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

South Africa (1880s)

The mention of South Africa in the list of British Empire countries the Salvation Army spread into during the 1880s is anachronistic; it would have then been a 'geographical expression' because what became the Union (later Republic) of South Africa in 1908 was then the disparate Cape Colony and Natal (British colonies) and the Boer Republics of Transvaal and Orange Free State. I have changed 'South Africa' to 'Cape Colony', the greater British possession in southern Africa then.Cloptonson (talk) 19:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

D.L. Moody and Booth

The phrase "D.L. Moody would not support him because he felt there was a threat to the local Church" may raise a question in some readers' minds as to what location Moody, an itinerant American evangelist, was concerned about, and what denomination. Was Moody concerned about local churches in places anywhere in the world where the Salvation Army had outposts, or was he thinking about the home region of his native United States? This deserves a rephrase to make better sense and understandable context.Cloptonson (talk) 19:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Please help fix citation - unexpected {}

In the section "The Salvation Army" I've added

"Having been founded as the East London Christian Mission in 1865" - to cite the source I've referred to another Wikipedia article The Salvation Army but unexpectedly got { and }! Please advise how to correctly cite one wikipedia article as the source for another. Adrian816 (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't. Wikipedia is user-submitted content without meaningful editorial oversight, it doesn't consider itself a reliable source. If that other Wikipedia article cites a source for the content in question, you can re-use that source in this article. Huon (talk) 18:20, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Not a new religious movement

The term "new religious movement" is sometimes a confusing term because the definition can vary depending on who's using it. However, in this case, no matter how you define it, the Salvation Army is not a new religious movement. It was formed as a ministry organization, and there is nothing novel about their belief system. Don't edit war over categorization [1]. Instead, get consensus through discussion, keeping in mind that the onus to get support is on the editor supporting inclusion. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)