Talk:Yi Seok

Added NYT article citation, and added as well more information cited within that article into the main entry. NYT article was dated Saturday, 20 May 2006; and also includes two contemporary photos of Prince Yi Seok.

POofYS Dated 0:52, 20 May 2006.

Discussion

Added Korea Times interview from April 2005 in Off-site links which verifies: (a) educational history; (b) military history as a serving soldier; and (c) current job position at Jeonju University lecturing on history. As well tightened up the first paragraph to focus on the main figure, and current job. Added as well material on how Yi Seok paid his own way through university by taking work and also helping to support his family thereby. Added as well the name of his university, and language specialty: Spanish; and the loss of many of his personal possessions in the LA riots of 1992.

POofYS Dated 07:40, 24 April 2005.

Earlier discussion

One paragraph on biography of Yi Seok added chronicling parent's evacuation by US navy landing craft from Incheon after NK invasion of Seoul in 1950, and subsequent residence in Jeju Island. Updated, any comments post to POofYS Dated 04:05, 19 March 2005.

One paragraph added as well indicating appointment as professor to Jeonju University to teach history to sophomore students which began in February 2005. Verified by Jeonju University.

Citation of "Imperial Grandson Association" headed by Yi Seok which can be verified by checking official websites, where this organization holds copyright and origination of the websites.

Official photo currently being processed, and public domain photo to be released through Jeonju University in a press release in the first fortnight of April.

POofYS Dated 04:05, 19 March 2005.

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Older discussion

Discussion

Note: this follows no time sequence since the anonymous editor had added comments all over the place, without singing them or putting on timestamps.

The editor of this article is not anonymous. Address all comments to POofYS

The article Yi Seok needs to be written in a neutral point of view. This is an official Wikipedia policy. You are writing it with a heavily pro-royalist point of view. -- Curps 08:53, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

(reply) Articles cited are in depth, and represent articles from Korean (Republic of Korea), American, French, Spanish, Malaysian papers, and even the Wall Street Journal. This article is factually accurate and as the biography develops will be emplaced to be similar to that of Prince Charles, King Abdullah of Jordan, or similar figures, and can be verified by fact checking what are now becoming constant articles from reputable sources.

Citing these articles as factual precedents justifies the entry - comments on current projects of HIH the Crown Prince, or his publications will be done in proper "slots" as matters proceed. At that point, when it is matched to the official biography, which can then be cross checked to articles, and to Britannica etc., it will be assumed this article is accurate. In close order as well senior professors from respected colleges and universities will extend entries on the Yi Dynasty kings and emperors, and as well justify this to their own reference works, monographs, and current studies.

To indicate the nature of present concerns of the Joseon nobles, and their relations to charities, public works, and concerns is being factual. Prince Charles' entry indicates numerous charities and concerns, one would assume this is a good model. And as well nearly every entry on US presidents, vice-presidents, and senators as well does not merely stick to neutral basic facts, but adds a bit of personality and character that is essential.

(reply) Apologies - the article comes from his press office which is new to the ways of writing to satisfy American encyclopaedias. Subsequent entries will cite official press releases, and citations from more neutral reference works as they appear. Point accepted. Understood.

The hack of this article by those who deny the Korean holocaust.-- Discussion here.

The invasion of Korea by Japan is a fact of history.

Hacks on this and other Korean sites by those who want to deny the holocaust of Koreans by Japanese from 1910 to 1945 dispirit the wikipedia. Analogically it would be similar to those who deny the European holocaust, whose tragic anniversary is in the weeks ahead in which millions of innocent people were victims of a brutal horrifying series of events because of their background.

Just like the holocaust of the jewry during WW2 - there have been attempts repeatedly on this site to play down the invasion of Korea, the forcible removal of a legal Korean government by private Japanese mercenaries, the imposition of a systematic policy of the genocide of tens of thousands of Koreans by roving Japanese criminal gangs, and the imposition of an illegal occupying regime during this time, that was at last thrown off by the efforts of the USA and the allies in 1945 at great cost to both sides.

Denial of the Korean holocaust should not be done by those who hack this site and attempt to rewrite history, whether it is imperial history or history of the contemporary Korean republic.

Readers are encouraged to complain to wikipedia and perhaps also demand a lock at some point on elements of this encyclopaedia where elements of the WW2 holocaust are denied by either anti-semitic or anti-Korean elements.

the article comes from his press office - does that mean this is a copyright violation? Has the press office given permission to release this information to the GFDL? Do you have acknowledgement of this? RickK 23:23, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

(reply) ALL press releases are public domain. Photographs that are on the royalcities website are not used or put into the public domain until the intellectual property rights are determined - at some point there will be official public domain photographs allowed which will be posted on the official websites, and so indicated.

The difficulty with having the press office of HIH the Crown Prince Yi Seok submitting an article here is the constant changes that are unpredictable and do not allow an exact biography to be built without alterations.

The press office is preparing an official biography to be posted in Korean, English, French, Swedish, Arabic, and other languages within the next two months on the official websites. Elements of that have been cited, perhaps at too long a length here, as the Korean style of biographies is different than western journalistic style. The biography will be allowed to go into public domain in its entirety in an abbreviated version.

As well, there will be an entry available on the Encyclopaedia Britannica website in the very near future once they are able to do their fact checking.

It should be remembered as well that Korea is partitioned into two republics, and the Republic of Korea, South Korea, is a democracy within which the Crown Prince has no more or less rights than any other individual.

While fair comment is encouraged on all public figures, readers and editors are reminded of duties for accuracy in fact checking and factual honesty for the readers of the wikipedia.

No public figure is immune to gossip or criticism, provided that it is fair, as that is what is involved in the life of public figures. And that is what makes discussions exceptionally interesting.

(Posted on behalf of the press office of Prince Yi Seok).

FACT CHECK DOCUMENTS - verify this article as accurate.

Reference sources include: http://entertainment.news.designerz.com/koreas-turbulent-times-mirrored-in-life-of-chosun-prince.html http://thestar.com.my/news/archives/story.asp?ppath=%5C2005%5C1%5C31&file=/2005/1/31/features/10006427&sec=features http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200408/kt2004082618115611990.htm http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20041015/320000000020041015140014E9.html http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030522-074807-6508r.htm http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20041015/320000000020041015140014E9.html

Yes that satisfies us.

THere is a great deal of information in these sources, as well as others, but you have selected only those items most flattering to Yi Seok. There are many unflattering details in these news reports, as well, and on the whole they paint a fairly pathetic picture. You omit all of these details. That is not NPOV. At present, I am simply reverting to a fairly short version with a few basic facts, and it is neutral and not unflattering to Yi Seok. However, if you persist in puffing this article up to turn it into a Yi Seok press release that supports his royalist pretensions, I intend to work on this article a lot more and put in all the information about him from these articles, as well as others. I will include both material that Yi Seok might want in it (such as being wounded in Vietnam), as well as information that he might not (such as the fact that he was a military entertainer, that he was a lounge singer, that he drifted around for years, that he lived in the United States and worked as a pool-man, etc, before eventually owning his own liquor store in California, that when he returned to Korea he lived out of a van for years until he managed to get a house on the grounds of a tourist attraction and become part of it, that his brothers don't approve of his pretensions to the throne, etc). The overall result will not be to your liking. --BM 12:57, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Reply: Sir, Within the next week or two you will be contacted personally through Wikipedia on this matter. As well, there should be in a very short time development of this site by senior Korean historians who will clarify matters, and will cite their own reference works. As their emails will be linked to universities, you may correspond with them as you like. with regards, The Press Office of HIH Prince Yi Seok. 04:15, 7 Feb 2005.

Reply: Pending information from the archivist of the Tiger Division, elements of Yi Seok's career as a serving infantryman in the ROK armed forces are appended. Operations in which he participated are left general, as there is a seal on Korean combat history at the present time. Exact details of regiment are given, battalion and downward to squad level affiliation will next be appended as the official biography is established; as well as specific combat areas in which he and his regiment served. The order of battle of the Tiger Division is given in the hyperlink, as well as http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/crid.htm for other details in English of the unit. On behalf of The Press Office of HIH Prince Yi Seok. 20:51, 8 Feb 2005.

Reply: updated, any comments post to POofYS -- POofYS 21:05, 8 Feb 2005.

A Prince Nestled Once More in Korea's Embrace from the New York Times, May 20, 2006

• Cite this article to be added to the Prince Yi Seok biography: [1] Bnguyen 15:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move: Yi Seok

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Yi Seok, Prince of Korea → Yi Seok – On Google Books, "Yi Seok, Prince of Korea" gets 0 results. There are also 0 results for this phrase in the news archive. Not only that, but as near as I can tell, no one else is even calling him "Prince of Korea." He is "Yi Seok" to The New York Times, to The Telegraph, to the BBC, to the Korea Times, to the Korea Herald, and to Yonhap, the official (South) Korean news agency. "Yi Seok" is currently a redirect to this article, so there is no primary topic issue. Kauffner (talk) 05:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Support per nom. Takabeg (talk) 06:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

• Support per comprehensive nomination. "Prince of Korea" seems like unnecessary disambiguation to me. Jenks24 (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
• Support common name. Marcus Qwertyus 21:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
• Support: per all the reasons listed by nom and no demonstrated need for dismbiguation. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 14:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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Vandalization

User:George6VI appears to be rewriting history and disclaiming sources in the process. Theoneyihistorian (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

This is for neutrality and the way what Wikipedia does, and I did nothing wrong. - George6VI (talk) 16:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Removed revisions from User:George6VI. User asked for sources in Korean and this was provided. https://1boon.daum.net/ziptoss/5fdb137f7407513e6466fc15 Theoneyihistorian (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Other than other references, the source is unreliable. So as other statements in other articles. - George6VI (talk) 15:57, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

This is incorrect, but either way, a news article was now provided. https://n.news.naver.com/article/052/0001521990 Theoneyihistorian (talk) 15:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, what is "King of the Korean Empire" especially the empire is no longer exist? All of Yi Seok's claim didn't appear until 2005, while the head of the family is already widely recognized in Korea, from the association from 1957. - George6VI (talk) 16:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

That is the correct title. I'm not sure what an association is, but I don't know how an association can be confused for this. Yi Seok is widely recognized as per all of the sources. Please stop editing without proof. Theoneyihistorian (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

By definition, the monarch of an empire is emperor, especially emperor is exactly the title used during the Korean Empire era. It's a shame that you know edited this article, without knowing the association that is essential for understanding the 20th century history of the clan (by the way, what languages can you read? English, Korean, then what about Hanja?) Also, I wish you can stop putting misinterpretation from what the article said, as there are more than 30 sources I can give from Jeonju Lee Royal Family Association - it is not boasting that all these Yi Seok claims can be considered as Fruit of the poisonous tree. I can let the websites to be seen in article as references (it is another problem whether they are Wikipedia:Reliable sources), but your way seems to be really biased and ignoring what happened in the past. - George6VI (talk) 10:30, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Rfc of the titles and styles

Should the titles "King of the Korean Empire" and/or "prince" be used in this Yi Seok article? The question also stands for the article Andrew Lee (entrepreneur). This is also related to whether Yi Seok can be described as the leader and the "final heir" of House of Yi. - George6VI (talk) 05:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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