Talk:Yitzchak Mirilashvili

Scandals: pls produce arguments

I can see why people can see payments to Channel 14, Chabad, and religious Zionist organisations as "a scandal", but objectively they're not officially "scandals". Unless they were made illegally, or the money itself was made by illegal means, which was either not stated, or maybe smb removed those bits. No smoke, no scandal - as of now. Arminden (talk) 12:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Accuracy and Encyclopedic content

I work for Mr. Mirilashvili and have declared my COI. Following the previous post by Arminden, I am asking for the removal of the current Scandal section. The extensive detail included therein is not directly relevant to Mirilashvili; the fact of his investigation is stated clearly and in a neutral tone in the Philanthropy section. In addition, I'm requesting an addition to the Career section as per the following:

SPAR

Mirilashvili acquired a 19.9% stake in the Israeli franchise of SPAR in 2023, replacing Shufersal. Mirilashvili reached an agreement with majority shareholder Amit Zeev before Shufersal's announcement.

Thank you for your attention to these matters. January2424 (talk) 10:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

References

January2424 (talk) 10:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. Deri is a top politician. The "Philantropy" text doesn't even hint at the controverse aka scandal, plus as it is, the text is very balanced and "soft". If anything, it's not said explicitly enough why it's a scandal. Arminden (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Arminden, thanks for taking the time to review. As you pointed out in your November post above, there is no indication of a scandal here. The sources clearly indicate that Mirilashvili was investigated for donations he made to Deri's wife's organization; no wrongdoing was found and no charges were brought. In alignment with WP:CRITICISM, the information should be included in the article not in a dedicated section; this content is already appropriately included in the Philanthropy section of the article.

I also ask that you please consider making the addition of the SPAR information to the Career section.

Thank you again January2424 (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

NPOV and Philanthropy details

I am asking to revise the current content in the Philanthropy section to be more accurate, adhere to WP:NPOV, and focus the details on Mirilashvili himself. As all the sources state, Mirilashvili was not accused of or found to have committed any crime; that needs to be reflected in the article. This language should replace the current content:

Mirilashvili has made donations to organizations run by Yaffa Deri, wife of Aryeh Deri. In 2017, Israeli authorities investigated the Deris; Mirilashvili and his father were among 16 prominent Israelis questioned as part of this investigation. In 2018, the police recommended the prosecution of Aryeh Deri; Mirilashvili was found to have done nothing wrong.

References

Thank you, January2424 (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I might want to rewrite a bit, but I think overall this makes sense. I'll dive in. --FeldBum (talk) 22:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I have made the change directly; welcome input from the community. January2424 (talk) 14:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Tag Removal

A warning/declaration (added in October 2019) currently appears at the top of this article. I have declared my COI and am working with the community to comply with Wiki editing regulations. Please consider the removal of this banner. January2424 (talk) 10:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: No way, and I have also reverted your edit for COI violations. Quetstar (talk) 03:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Quetstar, I made the changes to the philanthropy content based on FeldBum's indicated approval on February 6. The content as it appears now, following the reversion, is not WP:NPOV compliant and introduces excessive information about subjects other than this article. I welcome the community's input in including the relevant information and details. The language of my suggestion presents the facts, as they relate to Mirilashvili himself. Most significantly, the content should reflect that Mirilishavili was not accused of or found to have committed any crime, as supported by the references. January2424 (talk) 12:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll take another look at this. --FeldBum (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

FYI, taking a deeper look. A little more complicated than I originally thought and some more clean up needed. --FeldBum (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

FeldBum, Thank you for getting involved here. I'd be happy to answer any of your questions about this matter. I will point out that while the details of the donations might be "more complicated"- as you indicated, very few of those details relate to Yitzchak Mirilashvili himself, creating a COATRACK situation. The opening sentence about the Deri donations in the article suggests that making these contributions was a crime; that is both not true and a violation of NPOV. My suggested language removes the excessive Deri details and clearly states the fact that Mirilashvili was only questioned by police, not accused of or found to have committed any crime. All the sourcing provided makes this clear.

Thank you again, January2424 (talk) 11:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Been struggling to get community engagement on this. I have directly revised the language to focus on the article subject and remove the WP:COATRACK content, adhere to neutrality, and include the facts. Here for further discussion, if necessary. January2424 (talk) 12:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)