Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Sceptre (P215)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

HMS Sceptre (P215)

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• ... that the British submarine HMS Sceptre (pictured) towed X-class midget submarines tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets? Source: the article, + https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3434.html
  • ALT1:... that the British submarine HMS Sceptre (pictured) towed X-class midget submarines tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets, such as the German battleship Tirpitz?
  • ALT2:... that the British submarine HMS Sceptre (pictured) towed an X-class midget submarine tasked with attacking German battleships off Norway? Source: the article, + https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3434.htmlSource: the article, + https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3434.html
  • ALT3:... that the British submarine HMS Sceptre (pictured) towed X-class midget submarines tasked with attacking German targets while at dock? Source: the article, + https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3434.htmlSource: the article, + https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3434.html

• Reviewed: Wei Jinshan
• Comment: This is my first DYK nomination since ages, please forgive me if I've done something wrong

Improved to Good Article status by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC).

• GA icon received within 7 days of nomination. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. The hooks are interesting but the phrases tasked with attacking well guarded, high value targets don't appear in the article; they seem to be assumed. You could either add this wording with a reference, or just say tasked with attacking German battleships off Norway or something else. Image is freely-licensed; images in article are fair use and freely-licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Sure. My source doesn't specifically say that the German battleships were highly guarded (of course they were, but it may be kind of original research), so I've just altered the hook. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks. Since I proposed the hook wording, I'll leave it to another editor to sign off on this. Yoninah (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

• Well, no, because the target seems to have been a floating dry dock rather than a battleship. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• @L293D: we need a new hook fact. Yoninah (talk) 22:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

• Apologies for the delay, ALT3 proposed. Any hook suggestions are welcome. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Pinging @Cwmhiraeth: who objected to the earlier hooks. Yoninah (talk) 21:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Its still not completely accurate. I suggest:

• • ALT3a:... that the British submarine HMS Sceptre (pictured) towed an X-class midget submarine tasked with attacking a German floating dry dock in a harbour in Norway? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed to check ALT3a. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• I have unstruck ALT2 and struck ALT3. ALT3a is also fine. I have tweaked both ALT2 and ALT3a to say an X-class midget submarine, as HMS Sceptre towed one midget submarine at a time, according to this article. ALT2 reflects HMS_Sceptre_(P215)#Operation_Source, which specifically states "in preparation for Operation Source, an attack on the German battleships in Norway using midget submarines. On 12 September 1943, the boat departed port towing the X-class submarine X10 to her target, the German battleship Scharnhorst. ... On 20 September, the midget submarine was released to attack the battleship Tirpitz". ALT3a reflects paras 3 and 5 of HMS_Sceptre_(P215)#Northern_patrols. The hook facts are sourced to both online and offline sources, so AGF for the offline ones. Full review as per Yoninah. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)