Template talk:WikiProject Biography

Migrate living parameter to banner shell

MSGJ Is there anything similar in place for Category:Biography articles without living parameter? -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Not yet, might be worth exploring though! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

That category is fairly empty in part because I've been keeping an eye on it and adding the parameter manually. |blp=/|living= exists in Template:WikiProject banner shell at least. I guess if the two templates have one =yes and =no that should be flagged as a conflict somewhere. If it's explictly set (i.e. not blank) in the banner but not here, the WikiProject template could inherit it? Not sure about the other way round. I'm also assuming the only WikiProject which cares about it would be Biography. -Kj cheetham (talk) 08:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Should we attempt to standardise, either on |living= or |blp=? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Is there a benefit to that? If so, my feeling is go for |living= simply because what's what this WikiProject has. One is just an alias for the other in the banner shell anyway. https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=WikiProject+banner+shell wasn't much help trying to check which is more common. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I've had a look at the code and thought about it. The {{{living|{{{blp|{{{BLP|}}}}}}}}} parameters are checked 6 times for different purposes. I can replace it with code that checks for the blp parameter in {{WikiProject banner shell}} but it is quite resource-intensive (needs to read and analyse the text on the whole page) so I would not want to do that 6 times on every page. Might have to write a little Lua module to do it once and then call the banner module directly. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Update. I have simplified the code and remove what seemed to be some unnecessary uses of the |living= parameter. (The "image needed" note displayed an extra warning about getting images of living people, and the "politician work group" was automatically triggered if |activepol=yes and they were also living.) If these changes are not opposed, then we only need to check the page content twice (once for "living" and once for "blp") and I think we can start moving this parameter to the banner shell. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:54, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe as a compromise |activepol=yes could trigger the "politician work group" whether they are living or not? -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I have done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I have written Module:Check blp parameter to check for conflicting, missing or redundant values of blp/living/BLP. I plan to add a call to this module to the template. Then the tracking categories will be used:

• Category:Pages using WikiProject Biography with conflicting living parameter (0)
• Category:Biography articles without living parameter (2,504)
• Category:Pages using WikiProject Biography which need living parameter transferring (0)
• Category:Pages using WikiProject Biography with redundant living parameter (0)

Any concerns or questions about this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Now in preview mode, after an edit, I am getting this error message: Preview warning: Page using Template:WikiProject Biography with unexpected parameter "living"

I am using living=no and no banner shell. living=yes get the same message. Since it is stated to be compulsory, it should not be unexpected! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Graeme. There should be a banner shell on every page and the living parameter should be in there not in the biography template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

/class

The following code uses the obsolete subtemplate Template:WikiProject Biography/class to populate Category:Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles. Is this tracking category still needed? If so, I will find a different way of tracking these. If not, can I remove this code?

|note 15={{#switch:{{WikiProject Biography/class|class={{{class|}}}}}|FA|A|GA|B|C|Start|Stub|FL|List={{{class|}}}}}
 |NOTE_15_CAT            = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Talk||Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles}}
|note 16={{#ifeq:{{WikiProject Biography/class|class={{{class|}}}}}|Category|{{{class|}}}}}
 |NOTE_16_CAT            = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Category talk||Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles}}
|note 17={{#ifeq:{{WikiProject Biography/class|class={{{class|}}}}}|Template|{{{class|}}}}}
 |NOTE_17_CAT            = {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Template talk||Incorrectly tagged WikiProject Biography articles}}

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Removed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@MSGJ: Should the category also be deleted? GoingBatty (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Loosks like that category is still used by note 10, unless people think that is no longer needed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Erroneous NOINDEX

For instance, Talk:Enzo Turco is given __NOINDEX__ (as shown by its placement in Category:Noindexed pages) even though blp=no is specified. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Biography Review and Help

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography § Biography Review and Help

 – Peaceray (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking to see if I can get feedback on a biography that I have written. I am new to Wikipedia as a creator but would love feedback as I am trying to promote Atlanta History and then move into Georgia History. I recently wrote a blog on my first wiki page and would love feedback or review. Thank you! AtlantaHistory101 (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

politician-work-group -> politics-work-group

I'd like to make |politician-work-group= an alias of |politics-work-group=:

1. to match the name of the work group, Politics and government,
2. to match the scope of the work group, which extends beyond politicians to include activists, proponents of various ideologies, etc.
3. per the discussion @ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government#Category tagging for Category:People by political orientation

~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

|politics-work-group= is available as an alias, for now.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)