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Dictionary Act of 1871

It's become quite notable given it's primary contribution to current SCOTUS cases dealing with Hobby Lobby and Citizen's United, (and various other cases I'm finding from searches) that it deserves it's own article. What debate went on in the country and congress in 1870 as they tried to decide what the word "person" meant in the 1868 14th amendment? How did corporation get to be included in the definition of person then? Alatari (talk) 10:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not a legal historian, and have no information about what happened in 1870, but this source http://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/hobby-lobby-and-the-dictionary-act suggests that it was purely administrative and I would not be surprised if there were no debate. If you think about it, most laws are restrictive, "no person shall..." or "each person must..." so the Dictionary Act merely makes it clear that such laws also apply to corporations. Note that there is a big difference between Hobby Lobby and Citizen's United. The later deals with First Amendment constitutional issues and the Dictionary Act is not mentioned anywhere in that Supreme Court decision. In Hobby Lobby the court is interpreting an act of Congress, the RFRA, so the Dictionary Act came into play because Congress said that is how the word person is to be understood unless context suggests otherwise. The dissent argued for there indeed being a difference in context, but the majority disagreed. But as I read it, I don't think the Dictionary Act was central to the majority's ruling. I think their main argument is that that there is nothing in RFRA that says a group of individuals lose their right under RFRA when they decide to incorporate as a for-profit (as opposed to a non-profit, which both sides agree would be covered). The best the dissent could come up with is that the RFRA was intended to restore the law prior to Employment Division v. Smith and there were no cases giving religious freedom to for-profits prior to Smith. Again, the majority did not buy this, but it had nothing to do with the Dictionary Act. An article on the Dictionary Act might still be warranted, if you can find enough sources.--agr (talk) 12:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I did some more reading after posting this comment to your page and understand better how the 1st amendment, covering news organizations, had lent protection to corporations and so the precedent for Citizen's is as old as the Bill of Rights. What I still don't understand is what changed in 1870 to allow a widening of these rights by defining person as a corporation. I've searched for another 50 minutes and haven't found the author or sponsor of the Dictionary Act. There's a lot of information about on the use of the Dictionary Act in cases. This article from SLU Law School: THE UNEASY RELATIONSHIP OF HOBBY LOBBY, CONESTOGA WOOD, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, AND THE CORPORATE PERSON: HOW A HISTORICAL MYTH CONTINUES TO BEDEVIL THE LEGAL SYSTEM - MALCOLM J. HARKINS III*[2] is an interesting read and maybe Harkins would know more about the DA-1871's creation. Alatari (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure the Dictionary Act has any bearing on First Amendment or any other Constitutional rights. The Act's preamble, 1 USC 1 says "In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress...", nothing about the meaning of the Constitution. And the Supreme Court made it clear in City of Boerne v. Flores that Congress does not have the power to significantly widen or narrow constitutional rights. --agr (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

The Dictionary Act widened the meaning of the 14th amendment by defining person to include corporations. It has no bearing on the First. Alatari (talk) 23:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

As I pointed out above, the Dictionary Act only applies to acts of Congress, not the Constitution. And I'm not so sure the Act expanded the definition of person as opposed to codifying an existing understanding. We'd need reliable sources to substantiate any such claim.--agr (talk) 06:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm still searching for sources about the creation of the Act and later commentary about it. I've contacted a lawyer from SLU for help. Alatari (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, Malcolm J. Harkins III, J.D. who wrote the an article dealing with Hobby Lobby heavily referencing the Dictionary Act[3] called and explained what he understood of it's creation but wasn't relevant to his article. Before 1871 all statutes had their own definition section and in that time it was all hand written and could amount to hundreds of hours of extra work writing out each definition section. A commission was formed to gather up the previous definitions and create a single compiled version. So the Dictionary Act is a compromise of various prior statute definition sections hashed out by committee. Obviously not all earlier statute's definitions were in agreement. It was composed of some important law makers but I don't have a source for it yet. Harkins said the earlier statutes were revised by pulling their dictionary sections. So yes, the person=corporation was evolving many years before the Dictionary Act which would overlap with the Corporate personhood article. That article could then include more information prior to 1871 (it's got a few very early and most after 1886) as the statutes before Dictionary Act including person=corporation must have been numerous. Harkin mentioned one about cigar sales in D.C. area but couldn't remember the exact name. A section on the compilation of the Dictionary Act maybe suitable in Corporate personhood but if all prior statutes have been amended with pulling their dictionary sections it'll be near impossible (without seeing scanned in original documents) to figure out which statutes from 1790 to 1871 helped develop the personhood concept and hard to tell which were notable other than the ones that are already in that article.

The Dictionary Act has been a fall back for hundreds of appellate and SCOTUS rulings and now is referenced in several notable news sources after Hobby Lobby so it passes WP:Notable if just for a few paragraphs. Harkin was in the SCOTUS gallery when the Hobby Lobby decision was happening. He made mention of amending the Dictionary Act or Religious Freedom Restoration Act as discussions for future actions. Alatari (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, we already have a Title 1 of the United States Code article, which includes the Dictionary Act as chapter 1. It might be worth adding a history section to that article. Note that only a handful of terms are defined in the Dictionary Act and it by no means eliminated definition sections in other laws, which are still quite common.--agr (talk) 02:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Shared use paths

Based on the new article you created, I reclassified the Milton Keynes redway system as a shared use path rather than a cycleway - but now you have added a rider about 'not the same'. Could you clarify? Why does it matter? Wp:duck and all that! And what about the Netherlands, which has a lot of shared off-carriageway paths? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I used the term "exclusive" to distinguish cycleways that are bicycle only. It is only a first cut. Feel free to clarify things further and add more material, especially on a per country basis, if you have it. I think there is a lot to be said, more than a section in Cycling infrastructure.--agr (talk) 22:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I understood 'exclusive' but not 'US v UK definitions of "shared" not the same'. I wondered why you thought it significant? It would help if I could read the Cheshire.gov.UK document but it seems unreachable. I can't find a design spec for the Milton Keynes redways either - I've emailed to ask where it is but not holding my breath before the schools go back.

And just to add some spice to the mix, have you seen Peachtree City, Georgia#The City? How to categorise that??

Yes, the new article is a good start. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way, Cycling in the Netherlands says that shared paths are very rare so on my brief trip there either I saw one of the rare examples or more likely I'm suffering from false memory syndrome :-) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Can we move this discussion to Talk:Shared use path? If you could repeat your comments there, I'll respond there.--agr (talk) 03:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

What was the RAMAC price and capacity?

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Hard_disk_drive#An_End_To_The_RAMAC_Price_Duologue. Please help end the duologue on capacity and price of the IBM RAMAC Model 350 disk file. Thanks. Tom94022 (talk) 21:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

What is the capacity of a CD-ROM

Hi Arnold So my counter question, here, so as to not further gum up the HDD talk page is, What is the capacity of a 650 MB CD-ROM?

From a data interface viewpoint it is channel bit serial just like the 350. At some point the analog signal is converted to channel bits and then further up the data channel to characters and then finally verified, 6 bit characters in the 350 and 8 bit bytes in the CD-ROM. The information below is extracted from The New Papyrus regarding the CD-ROM

The CD-ROM records in blocks of 2048 data bytes. To the 2048 data bytes the controller adds 304 bytes of gap and check bytes for a total of 2352 channel bytes per data block. It then encodes them using an 8-bit to 14-bit code to which it adds 2 merging bits so that each channel byte is in fact recorded as 2 encoded channel bytes. The net result is for each 2048 block of data bytes = 16,384 data bits there are 2352*16 = 37,632 channel bits, a ratio of 2.3 channel bits to 1 data bit. Note that each data byte is represented by 16 channel bits; as I follow your reasoning, there is nothing that stops one from replacing those 16 channel bits with two data bytes.

A 650 MB CD-ROM has precisely 333,000 blocks of 2048 data bytes but if I were to use some of the gap or check bits for data I could store as much as 1.4 GB on the medium - so why can't I say the CD-ROM is 1.4 GB? Or better yet, go into the business of making drives with controllers that do so, for BlueRay of course? Tom94022 (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tom,

The interface between your CD-ROM drive and the computer only presents up to 650 MB to the computer. If there were a "raw mode" in the controller that let you access the gap or check bits, then yes it would arguably have higher capacity and likely someone would have found an application for that, maybe storing surveillance video where an occasional dropout might be a fair trade off for greater capacity. In the case of the 305 RAMAC system, the 350 disk drive presented a 7-bit data path to the CPU; the 350 neither knew nor cared that one of those bits was a parity bit. Hooked to another machine it could have stored 7 bits of data, and apparently the IBM 650 version used those 7 bits to store biquinary digits. Again, I'm not saying this is the only way to look at the 350's capacity, only that it is a legitimate viewpoint.--agr (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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I'm pretty sure the 350 presented a bit serial interface to its controller just like the ST506, but let me check. Tom94022 (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Figures 84 and 85 of the IBM's CE manual show a single write bit in and a single read bit out, a bit serial interface just like most drives until the 1990s. I've asked my friends at the RAMAC Restoration project to confirm but I'm pretty sure that's the way it was. Actually I think the whole machine was bit serial to keep hardware cost down, but I could be wrong on this point.

I could buy a BluRay mechanism and do my own data channel controller operating on the "raw" mode coming in/out of the single head. So should I go out and raise money based upon your assurances that I can freely substitute data bits for channel bits? :-)

I agree that the 355 probably used 7 channel bits to represent the equivalent of 4 data bits which means it was less efficient than the 350 channel code and therefore had a lower equivalent information content, other wise known as capacity, 3 MB vs 3.75 MB. You can always put a lesser amount of information into a channel than its known capacity, but not more with out running the risk of exceeding the channels capacity and loosing information. But this is at this point original research. Tom94022 (talk) 23:26, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The data coming off a BlueRay read/write head is an analog stream requiring a very substantial amount of processing to recover a digital data. The signal coming off an 350 cable connectors, as I understand it, is a digital bit stream that would be trivial to interface to a modern computer. That is the difference. The 355 example shows the the basic drive is agnostic as to the format of the bits it is storing. If you want to talk information content, the 350 is only storing characters from an alphabet of 48 symbols. That is only 5.61 bits per character, not 6. So from a Shannon information content point of view, the capacity of the 350 is equivalent to 3.49 million octets, not 3.75MB. Again there is no one right answer here.--agr (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The data coming off the RAMAC read/write head is an analog stream requiring a very substantial amount of processing by 1956 standards to recover digital data; u might want to read "A Self-Clocking System for Information Transfer" L.D. Seader, IBM JRD, April 1957, which has sketches of the analog and digital signals. To my eye they don't look a lot different than today's signals - just way lower frequency. The signal out of the BlueRay channel is at one point a digital bit stream that would be trivial to interface to any computer. There is no difference other than time differences in technology and that in the BluRay case the digital bit stream is not exposed - it is there and is just a pair of wires!

I'm pretty sure Shannon would not understand 0.61 bit. I do agree with you that at the drive interface it is not possible to distinguish one bit from another, but that is only true in the absence of format information. IBM tells us their format includes 6 data bits and elsewhere they tell us the 6 data bits map to 48 states leaving 16 undefined states. The fact that states are undefined does not mean they are not available and therefore the information content remains 6 bits. There is probably some information theory law of conservation that states something like the information content of a state space is that minimum number of bits whose number of states exceed the number of valid states in the state space. That's how channel encoding works, regardless of whether it is a disk recording channel or a communications channel. Tom94022 (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The information content of a state space is not the minimum number of bits whose number of states exceed the number of valid states in the state space. Shannon defines it as the base-2 logarithm of the number of valid states in the state space. (Log2(48) = 5.58496250072... so it's 5.58 bits per IBM 305 character, not 5.61, my bad). In the case of the IBM 650, each decimal digit is log2(10)=3.321928... bits. I'll let Shannon speak for himself. He explains measuring information as a fractional number of bits at the bottom of page 1 of http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/what/shannonday/shannon1948.pdf --agr (talk) 12:06, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

My bad too. Thanks for the lesson on information theory (error admitted above). I won't bother to read the Shannon since IBM put no constraint on the use of the 6 data bits at the interface to the 350 the information content of the 350 is 30 million unconstrained bits = 3.75 MB. If IBM sold the 350 to an OEM, he/she using the 350 in accordance with IBMs implicit specifications would have unconstrained use of the 6 data bits/character available at the interface. The fact that IBM then constrained a character's use in the 305 could be interpreted to mean the 350 as used by IBM on the 305 was only a 3.49 MB drive (on an information theory basis). Note the parenthesis - IBM never said this so it is qualified for understanding! This is very interesting original research, not usable in Wikipedia, but further indication of the obvious factual inaccuracy of any number other than 3.75. The same analysis applied to the 355 gives an IT capacity of 2.49 MB, not 3 MB on a 4 bit/digit basis (the minimum practical number of bits/digit) nor 5.25 MB (7 channel bits/digit). Again note how each capacity value is qualified. To paraphrase Voltaire's purported statement, we need to define our terms to have a meaningful conversation. If you would publish this research in a reliable source then I would be happy to add it as footnotes to the 305 and 650 articles where the constraint applied.

BTW, since as I understand it fractional bits do not exist maybe it is some sort of information entropy requirement that the number of bits necessary and sufficient to define a state space of M states is the smallest n where M <= 2ⁿ. but maybe not :-). That's the way an engineer would do it but maybe a scientist could figure out a way to use the unused states :-).

Thanks, this has been very useful in helping me clearly understand why 3.75 is the only usable value in Wikipedia which I will shortly explain on the HDD Talk page, so before replying here, please give me time to boil it down there. And I withdraw the CD-ROM question :=)! Tom94022 (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Meanwhile I've been haunted by STiki for making your explanatory statement on the notability of this derived constant available to the public. I admit that I consider this given reason to revert me the first time as a mockery, and that my reaction to this might possibly be inappropriate. I am however still convinced, that $1/{\sqrt {2}}$ is in no way noteable, and should be removed again, but I am also certainly not sufficiently engaged to start an edit war on this.

I just really do not want to be seen near vandalizing. Purgy (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

As I pointed out at Talk:Square root of 2 I found the reference refuting my claim after I made the edit. No mocking was intended. You have a reasonable argument, my judgement differs, but I respect your position and your efforts to improve Wikipedia.--agr (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Cordial thanks for your kind words. Here's to a better Wikipedia! ;) Purgy (talk) 08:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your clarification re: the yescrypt paragraph on the scrypt page. I had missed the explanation that it's an easy upgrade path on the first read.

Do you think it would be a good idea to change, say, the section title to something that highlights the relevance to scrypt of the section? Maybe something like "Upgrading to other password hashing schemes"?

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I'm open to a different section head, but maybe focus on the Password Hashing Competition. The point being that there was an effort to develop something better and one of the finalist that got special mention was designed to be an easy upgrade from scrypt.--agr (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, as mentioned on the nomination page, I copied a big chunk of this article from a section on the case in the article 2015 San Bernardino attack, after a discussion on that article's talk page, so the team there deserves much of the credit.--agr (talk) 01:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Punched Card - Needs your assistance

(1) The article begins (likely written by you) very nicely with "A punched card or punch card is a piece of stiff paper that can be used to contain digital information represented by the presence or absence of holes in predefined positions"

A recent addition to the article is "In 1881 Jules Carpentier developed a method of recording and playing back performances on a harmonium using punched cards. The system was called the Mélographe Répétiteur and “writes down ordinary music played on the keyboard dans la langage de Jacquard”,[9] that is as holes punched in a series of cards. By 1887 Carpentier had separated the mechanism into the Melograph which recorded the player's key presses and the Melotrope which played the music"

Recording music fails both the "digital" and "predefined positions" specifications, but (some) modern Wikipedians .... I don't want an edit war, hopping you can find a better result.

(2) My apologies for deleting your recent addition to Punched Card. My intent is to restore it in revised sections for "Hollerith Card" and "IBM card" based on Mackenzie's book.

Thanks, 67.160.196.6 (talk) 16:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'm inclined to let it be. The position of note punches are presumably predetermined on the horizontal axis and the presence or absence of a note is digital even if duration is not. These are early examples and in no way detract from what Hollerith accomplished. I think inclusion benefits our readers on the whole. As for my paragraph, I think it belongs as it is well sourced. If you have a source with a materially different account, that can be worked in.--agr (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Arnold, you said that you are active in internet since 1983, internet already existed in 1983? yes i know, internet since 1969, internet is very old, internet already existed since 1969, my name is Cauõ. 177.75.67.166 (talk) 20:51, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cauõ. Yes, I was active in 1983. If you do a search on Google Groups for my name and 1983, you'll see a few posting I made to Usenet that year. I was working for a company called Automatix, and we had purchased a Digital Equipment VAX 780 computer for software development. We ran Berkley Unix (BSD) on it and some of our staff hooked it up the Arpanet via UUCP. That may have happened as early as the previous year. Here is a copy of my first usenet posting. Note that we used bang path addressing then. Our computer was named "vaxine".

Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site vaxine.UUCP
Path: utzoo!linus!vaxine!agr
From: agr@vaxine.UUCP (Arnold Reinhold)
Newsgroups: net.micro.68k
Subject: Info wanted on 68k FORTH
Message-ID: <274@vaxine.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 1-Aug-83 10:34:19 EDT
Article-I.D.: vaxine.274
Posted: Mon Aug  1 10:34:19 1983
Date-Received: Mon, 1-Aug-83 19:15:24 EDT
Organization: Automatix Inc., Billerica, MA
Lines: 10

I am looking for information on FORTH interpreters for the 68000.
Information on available software, which interpreters support the
32 bit address space, user experiences and gurus are of particular
interest.  Any leads would be welcome.

	Arnold Reinhold
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	1000 Tech Park Dr.
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Category:Jewish wimples in commons

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You creates commons:Category:Jewish wimples in 2015. Is it identical in principle to earlier commons:Category:Mappa (ignore images if maps catalogued there by mistake)? If so, could you coordinate a merger? Thanks, DGtal (talk) 10:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If these are merged, I suggest that Jewish wimples be the category name, to avoid the accidental categorization by Italian speakers that DGtal noted. I can perform the category merger if needed. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 10:45, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.--agr (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Sounds perfect. DGtal (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

SLT manufacturing process

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Did u by chance contribute this image to WikiMedia?

Steps in manufacturing Solid Logic Technology hybrid wafers. The process starts with a blank ceramic wafer 1/2 inch square. Circuits are laid down first, followed by resistive material. The circuits are metalized and the resistors trimmed to the desired value. Then discrete transistors and diodes are added and the package encapsulated. Display at the Computer History Museum.

If so I am interested in the caption particularly the phrase "discrete transistors" - are these your own words or did you restate something posted at the Computer History Musuem? I did search the museum online and found the images but not the text. The reason I ask is that there is an ongoing discussion as to whether early S/360 usage of discrete transistors in SLT modules makes them second generation (transistor) computers. Tom94022 (talk) 00:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tom. Yes, that's my photo. The phrase "discrete transistors" is probably mine. If you click on the "Description" button in the "images" link you provided, you will get the following description:

In System/360, SLT modules replaced discrete-transistor circuits. They were “hybrid,” not integrated circuits — separate transistors and diodes combined with printed resistors on a ½” square ceramic substrate. Complex to manufacture, they were faster and used less power than discrete-transistor circuits.

That is exactly the description on display at CHM when I took the picture and it appears in the un-cropped version of the picture, which I did not upload for copyright concerns. Another good reference is the IBM 360 announcement: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_PR360.html and this references from our Solid Logic Technology article Logic Blocks Automated Logic Diagrams SLT, SLD, ASLT, MST. page 1-7 (pdf page 15) ff. which describes several generations of IBM circuitry, SLT, SLD, ASLT, and MST (Monolithic System Technology). Only the last is what we would now call integrated circuits.

The computer generation question is tricky. The transistors used in SLT were individually packaged and added to the hybrid substrate in the last step prior to encapsulation. They are quite visible in my image and even more so in the CHM image. In terms of circuit density, SLT is much closer to early IC technology that it is to the older IBM Standard Modular System (SMS) cards used in the second-generation IBM 7000/1400 series computers. The SLT modules were half-inch squares, or 0.25 sq-in. A 14-pin DIP has a footprint of about 0.27 sq-in, almost identical. IBM could get a at least 6 transistors in a module in their early SLTs and more than twice as many in ASLT. Early SSI TTL ICs had maybe 20 transistors. By contrast SMS cards were 11.25 sq-in and held about as many transistors as an early SLT module. I remember hearing the term two and a half generation for the 360. In terms of architecture, the 360 is clearly 3rd generation, with a unified instruction set, byte addressing, eight-bit bytes, wide addressing, twos-complement arithmetic all features that marked a radical shift from the second generation and which persist to this day. Which is more important, circuit packaging or architecture? The distinction between machine architecture and the details of its implementation were grasped by Ada Lovelace in 1842:

We refer the reader to the ‘Edinburgh Review’ of July 1834, for a very able account of the Difference Engine. The writer of the article we allude to has selected as his prominent matter for exposition, a wholly different view of the subject from that which M. Menabrea has chosen. The former chiefly treats it under its mechanical aspect, entering but slightly into the mathematical principles of which that engine is the representative, but giving, in considerable length, many details of the mechanism and contrivances by means of which it tabulates the various orders of differences. M. Menabrea, on the contrary, exclusively developes the analytical view; taking it for granted that mechanism is able to perform certain processes, but without attempting to explain how; and devoting his whole attention to explanations and illustrations of the manner in which analytical laws can be so arranged and combined as to bring every branch of that vast subject within the grasp of the assumed powers of mechanism. It is obvious that, in the invention of a calculating engine, these two branches of the subject are equally essential fields of investigation, and that on their mutual adjustment, one to the other, must depend all success. They must be made to meet each other, so that the weak points in the powers of either department may be compensated by the strong points in those of the other. They are indissolubly connected, though so different in their intrinsic nature, that perhaps the same mind might not be likely to prove equally profound or successful in both.

Please let me know if I can contribute further to your discussion.--agr (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Arnold:

Thanks for the detailed explanation and thanks for the SLT manufacturing image. I agree that from an architecture perspective S/360 is clearly third generation and that the discrete transistors used in the SLT module make it something like a 21⁄2^th generation. I also agree that archictecture is more important than components and their packaging. However, the authors who defined the generations, both Bell and Blaauw, arbitrarily chose the components used for the logic circuits of a computer to define either four or five integer generations, mechanical, tube, discrete transistor, monolithic IC (not microprocessor) and microprocessor. Of course the last three all use transistors so we stumble over the meaning of discrete in this discussion. The early S/360s - are they in Generation 2, discrete transistors or in Generation 3, integrated circuits or both. Personally I prefer both, in 2^nd generation with a footnote as to SLT hybrid packaging of discrete transistors and inline in 3^rd generation. It currently is inline in the latter but I am having trouble getting consensus to add it to the 2^nd generation list. Your thoughts would certainly be welcome in the discussion. Tom94022 (talk) 16:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree the 360 should be listed in List_of_transistorized_computers with a footnote. The same footnote should be on the IBM 1130 which used the same SLT technology and is already there. The list clearly defines its criteria. I would not support listing the 360 in second generation in History_of_computing_hardware_(1960s–present). The current inline text is appropriate and sufficient. If ever a computer marked a generational shift, it's the System 360, no matter how its transistors were packaged. Countess Lovelace would agree.--agr (talk) 02:46, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. I would like to apologize for closing the AfD as redirect because I had done it in haste while closing the other Orders of magnitude AFDs. Also, I would like the other AFD'd Orders of magnitude articles draftified until sufficient sources are found. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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Here is a link to the crowdsourced public domain patent I mentioned at Wikipedia Day - https://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20151217ptan20150363899.php Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Arnold, I just put a delete request on the redirect from greenhill park to the CPR dock since no links connect to the redirect anymore - just so you know and can check should I have missed something. The links I found I modified to connect to the ship's article directly. Regards, --G-41614 (talk) 14:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

G-41614 I can't seem to find the redirect you are referring to. I did find a disambiguation page Greenhill Park and added the ship there. Can you point me to your deletion request?--agr (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad - SS Greenhill Park. I've been pretty much inactive for a couple of years, so I'm rather rusty regarding protocols. --G-41614 (talk) 14:36, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

G-41614 Ahh. Why not just change the target to Greenhill Park (1943 ship)? That would still be a useful redirect.--agr (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Sure, though - don't ask me how, but at one point, I was looking at a page that said no links direct here (SS Greenhill Park), so I thought it's no longer needed ...? --G-41614 (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I fixed the redirect and removed the deletion tag. Redirects aren't just for links. They are also for possible search terms a user might try and the general view is that they should be left in place unless they are really bad in some way. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Anyway, welcome back to Wikipedia. Glad you are returning!--agr (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Get that & thnx --G-41614 (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

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Greetings, thanks for commenting. I'm a climate regular. This same debate keeps coming up over and over. Every prior time, we debated the ENTIRE structure of the climate articles in all their nuances. The discussions always become a chaos and the closer can never choose. So THIS time we wanted to try laser focusing on the small thing. There is a policy based reason for making the small change. In Round 2, we expect to open a "Redirects for Discussion" thread to talk about what to do with "Climate change". Many eds want to point it at Global warming. Others want to move Global warming to "climate change". There are at least four other ideas floating around too. We have the best chance of keeping the feet to the fire to get a consensus if we can make the immediate small babystep move now proposed. If that dies, then it is unlikely a sweeping reform package will make everyone happy and we'll be left with the dysfunctional status quo. So that's the idea anyway. Thanks for adding your voice NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:25, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

@NewsAndEventsGuy: I get that your are just trying to get something done, but I don't think the proposed title is helpful to our readers, and it goes against WP:NCDAB advice "rarely, an adjective describing the topic can be used, as in Vector (spatial), but it is usually better to rephrase such a title to avoid parentheses." It should be possible to come up with a meaningful, neutral title for an article about long term changes in Earth's climate. I made one suggestion. It would probably be better to have this discussion at Talk:Climate change.--agr (talk) 15:06, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

trying to get something done .... that's true, since 2014 in fact. And this step is important in two respects.... #1, that it makes an incremental improvement on the surface and #2 that it breaks the log jam. I've been at this a long time, and hope you will dive deeper and that will help you realize the significance of #2. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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THANK YOU for switching from Oppose to Neutral! I would really like to see the article merged to climate system, but I put that on ice for much the same reasons. FYI in my own userspace I have started a table in which I am trying to super-succinctly summarize the Not-Votes and perspectives that have been raised. This table simply reflects my own understanding of everyone's views. The closer may or may not look at it. This is a work in progress, but I have at least finished my initial data-entry for what you've said. If you would like to me change anything, please use the talk page attached the table. Thanks! NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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Dual mode contact shoe

Over and under running contact shoe

[4] [5] I have been trying to find a source, without success. Peter Horn User talk 19:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Peter Horn, here is a 2013 Railroad.net discussion on the dual capability of the M8 third rail shoe:

Could M-8 Style 3Rd Rail Shoe Enable Conversion?.

Hope this helps.--agr (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold:} Some of the forum participants appear to have no clue whatsoever. They talk about converting the third rail from one type to the other. That is obviously not the answer. The question would be, can this shoe be used, in turn on either the underrunning third rail type or on the overrunning third rail type. No need to do this "on the fly", except for providing a short stretch without third rail. To me it appears that the shoe is set for underrunning type and that while engaging to the overrunning type third rail the shoe is pushed up. Peter Horn User talk 03:27, 18 May 2020 (UTC) 

It is also shown in the retracted position, eg in the position while the unit is running outside of third rail territory. That all said, one has to contact Kawasaki or / and Metro North to get the technical details. Peter Horn User talk 15:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Peter Horn:The Railroad.net thread was indeed started by someone making the suggestion that the dual-mode shoes could be used to convert the third rail from one type to the other. As you say, that is the wrong question. But the bigger question was answered by user "Clean Cab" as follows:

The M8 3rd rail shoe is capable of using either under running and over running 3rd rail without any action by the engineer. The shoe itself has a set of springs in the mechanism that keep a double sided shoe at a neutral center position. It automatically adjust[s] to either style of 3rd rail in encounters. The original plans did call for an air powered device to raise/lower the shoe that the engineer would control by using a switch in the cab, but that proved to be a maintainance nightmare. A German engineering firm called Schunk was contracted to address the problem and developed the center sprung mechanism using special double sided shoes, and it has worked well so far in tests, but I am unaware of them being used in any real world test between the two different styles of 3rd rail because the M8s have only operated on MN territory so far.

I also looked up Schunk engineering and their website[6] confirms that their shoe is capable of both under and over running. (That link is probably a better source.) The capability might actually be used in the long-delayed but forthcoming Penn Station Access project, particularly for the Hudson Line to Penn station option.--agr (talk) 19:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold:} Thanks for the website It is the needed proof. No reputable company will make false claims about their product(s). Peter Horn User talk 01:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Anirban Kolkata and welcome to Wikipedia. I looked at Sen (surname) and I see that your recent edits have not been removed. There is no guarantee that someone else won't make further edits in the future. I notice that you have deleted the first full paragraph, which had some references. I know nothing about this subject, but that would seem to require some explanation. It would help if you would explain your recent changes on Talk:Sen (surname), preferably citing the references you mention. Please let me know if I can be of further help.--agr (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Arnold Sir. I have posted in detail, in Talk page of Sen(surname) article , the whole reason of my edits. You were totally right, an user called Ekdalian has again changed what I had edited. Please go through what I have posted and you will understand the truth. May God Bless You ! Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 20:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Arnold Sir, I have one more request for you. After my truth about this article is accepted by Wikipedia, please give this article "FULLY PROTECTED" status. Otherwise it will be vandalised all the time. Anirban KolkataAnirban Kolkata (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Arnold Sir, user Ekdalian , as far as I understood after researching Wikipedia, is an administrator. But he has got a controversial history of writing and supporting false statements regarding Hindu castes. He is a Bengali and from my city, Kolkata(formerly Calcutta). Please check his history. He is destroying the real facts of Bengali Hindu Brahmanism. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Anirban Kolkata: I have no expertise in this area. Please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for guidance on how to deal with conflicts like this.—agr (talk) 01:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Arnold Sir. I understand that you don't have any expertise about Indian caste system. I wrote the details just to inform you about the whole historical issue. I request you, as an administrator to ensure that the principles of Wikipedia are followed in the Sen(surname) article. As far as I know, the basic principle of Wikipedia is to establish the real truth. That is what I am trying to do. I hope the technical rules of Wikipedia ensure this basic principle of Wikipedia. Dear user Ekdalian always uses the excuse of Wikipedia rules in order to suppress the truth. My only request to you Arnold Sir is to make sure that the basic principle of Wikipedia is followed in this article. The links I provided as proof should be reliable enough, as it includes important Indian religious websites and also Nobel prize website. I will follow what you advised, but I request you to be involved in the Dispute Resolution process to make sure that the basic principle of Wikipedia is followed. Sir, me and my Dad are right now Corona positive, and my Dad is also a Brain stroke patient. Still I am seriously working towards establishing the truth. I hope my writings have at least given you a glimpse of the issue. Stay safe. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Arnold Sir, I will start working in the Dispute Resolution process regarding this article from 23rd Apr 2021, Kolkata Date. I hope you will be present to properly resolve the dispute , and establish the real truth. Thanks for all your support. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 18:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Arnold Sir, sorry I could not start the Dispute Resolution work from 23rd April as promised. Me and my Dad have recovered from Corona few days back, and have got Doctor Fit certificate. During our quarantine period, my modem got out-of-order, and I have got a new router only few days back. I will start the DR process from 1st June,2021. Hope you are keeping well. Regards. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 18:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Dear Arnold Sir, How are you? I will be engaged in certain professional work in the first 2 weeks of June,2021. I will start the Dispute Resolution process of the Bengali Sen(surname) Article from 17th June,2021. I hope with the Blessings of Kashi Vishwanath , the primary Shiva Deity of Kashi (Benaras) the holiest city in Hinduism, I will be able to establish the truth of Bengali Sen surname in Wikipedia. Take Care. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Arnold Sir, Hope You are keeping well by the Mercy of God. Sir, I am currently suffering from Post-Covid symptoms and am not well healthwise. I will start working in the Dispute Resolution work of the Bengali Sen surname page as soon as I recover. After I begin the Dispute Resolution process, I will intimate you through a new Post here. Take Care Sir. Anirban Kolkata Anirban Kolkata (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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