User talk:Bhadani/Archive13

Barnstar

Moved - a message of 2nd September 2006

Thank you, Samir!. --Bhadani 13:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

Could you tell me how to delete a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varda (talk • contribs) of 02.09.06

Welcome, etc. --Bhadani 13:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra

Hello, Bhadani, there has been a small problem over at Priyanka Chopra`s page: if you click her picture in the box (this one:[1]), scroll down a bit and look out for the history of that picture, you notice, that two users (Prettywoman) who possibly the same person have been messing around with the picture. I tried to talk to them but to no avail - the user keeps adding the same copyright violating picture. Could you have a look? --Plumcouch ^Talk2Me 01:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

People would always mess around with pretty women! Ultimately, this will be over and a "lasting relationship" shall emerge. --Bhadani 22:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I need help with a personal attack against me

User:SqueakBox doesn't like me. He has insulted me in the past and, recently, he was blocked for posting the following insult in his user page: "My greatest achievements here [...] have been [...] and restoring José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero from the POV of another user who claims to write about saints." (See the entry for August 21 in his block log) My nick, Hagiographer means just that, "to write about saints", so it's clear that comment is a direct attack against me. Furthermore, when I came to the article about Zapatero SqueakBox had already been banned from editing Zapatero's editing articles by the Arbitraton Committee (what can he restore?). And, in fact, I've never contributed or deleted information from any of those articles. I simply reverted some vandalism SqueakBox introduced as part of his harassment campaing against other user who was also banned by the same Arbitration Comittee decision. So, that paragraph is pure slander.

Taking WP:NPA into account, I believe that paragraph should be deleted or, at least, marked like what it is, a personal attack. I did just that [2]. However, SqueakBox removed it and User:Guettarda protected the page here. SqueakBox has had a lot of problems with other users and, sometimes, Guettarda has taken part in them. For example, in User:SqueakBox can be found a barnstar given by User:Guettarda in which he says that SqueakBox has gone beyond the call of duty in his fight against "strange" people in the article Javier Solana. WP:NPA states clearly that comments must be about content not users so it's clear that Guettarda and SqueakBox have cooperated in, at least, dubious actions against other users. It's also clear Guettarda is biased in favor of SqueakBox. In this edit in my talk page, he implies that I like looking for conflict, that I'm obsessed with SqueakBox that I've to settle down and so on, all violation of WP:AGF and unpleasant remarks.

It mustn't be forgotten that according to WP:OWN, user pages belong to everybody and I don't believe a wikipedian has any right to transform his user page in a platform to attack other users. So Guettarda's supposed protection of SqueakBox's user page (really of SqueakBox's insults) is very difficult to defend in my opinion.

I'm simply asking fair treatment. I don't believe I have to see how the Wikipedia is populated with insults against me. I believe SqueakBox can contribute useful edits without transforming his user page into a gallery of attacks. So please, either unprotect the page so WP:OWN can be applied, or remove the negative comment or mark it as a personal attack untolerable in the Wikipedia or, at least, explain to me why I have to bear that kind of treatment. SqueakBox has been blocked for that unpleasant remark, What is the use of blocking him and then keeping the insult? Thank you. Hagiographer 08:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not feel helpless. --Bhadani 17:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Help with Limerence

Noting your post on Limerence article talk page, I have to ask why you thought it needed...more? Just looking at the article...I really believe we have a shocker of self-promotional garbage here. Everyone seems content with leaving the noncompliant markup up the top of the page and yakking about it in the talk page. Shrugs. What do you think? Australian Matt 14:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[3]. Oh, I intended to have something more professional contents, and not the "self-promotional garbage" indicated by you. In case, we are able to remove the "garbage" from wikipedia, we shall be adding value to the contents, provoded we remove the real garbage. Cheers! (Copied from his page) --Bhadani 23:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

How do I deal with this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path-goal_model

This seems to be copied EXACTLY from here http://telecollege.dcccd.edu/mgmt1374/book_contents/4directing/leading/lead.htm, and thats a copyrighted site.... What're the policies on this?

Alex Thomas 20:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)AlexThomas

Plz remove. Thanks. --Bhadani 16:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

JPD's RfA

Thanks, Bhadani, for your intended support at my RfA. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown in me in my activities as an administrator. JPD (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying

Kaur just led me to the assumption. Thanks for the sources.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Above was in response to: [4] - [5], etc. --Bhadani 22:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Meeting

Thanks very much. Happy.

--Dore chakravarty 02:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

You're always welcome, Bhadani! That's great that you'll be sticking around here, Wikipedia is better for it. :) -- Natalya 03:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, glad to help! Good morning to you as well. All the best, Sango123 22:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, what Natalya said. :) I removed the __NOTOC__ (no table of contents) you accidentally pasted onto your talk page, so the formatting should be back to normal now. Regards, Sango123 21:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you ... Good morning. --Bhadani 22:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Anonymous editor

Hi Bhadani,

I saw your comments on the talk page of AE. Do you have any idea: [6]...

No, I didn't when I left my note, but I see you've been asking after him for a while; I appreciate your concern. I guess you've tried sending him an email... Do you know of (or perhaps there might be indications that) another user has met or knows him personally...?  (I guess you've pursued this also...)  At present, I can't think what else might be done... perhaps some clue on another wiki (the Commons?) or from an internet search linking "Anonymous editor" and "wiki*"...?  I'll let you know if another possibility occurs to me. Hopefully, David Kernow 15:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the birthday wishes :) Viridae^Talk 00:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sudama

Thanks, Bhadani for the comments.

Raj2004 00:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Trollish behaviour

RE: [7]

Why, because TheOuthouseMouse is just stirring shit over at Talk:Global warming. People with no intention to contribute encylopedic content are harmful, and drive away valuable contributors. I've seen it happen on several occasions. While we need to keep the encyclopedia as open as possible, this place shouldn't be allowed to become a sewer filled with rubbish. I don't care if you block me - trolling is about intent as much as anything - I stand by my comments. 125.237.74.41 01:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not doubt the spirit of your assertions, and frankly, we face such problems, and I do agree with you that "People with no intention to contribute encylopedic content are harmful, and drive away valuable contributors". Having said this, I would suggest that you may add value to wikipedia by creating an account, and calling a user a troll, and removing the content from their is not encyclopedic at all. You are perhaps creating more disruption here by not using appropraite language, and by being angry is not going to help you. As desired by you, I would have blocked you. However, I think that by a little change in your usage of language, you have potentials to become a civil person capable of being part of a virtual community. Still, if you feel that you require a block, please let me know. --Bhadani 01:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your kind words. It's great to see that some people over here are so well intentioned. Thanks. Hagiographer 06:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Bhadaniji, thank you for the encouraging words... Seeing you after a long time. The Indian presence seems to have reduced in the past few days. Many old timers are rarely seen. But Samir, Aksi, Dwaipayanc, Ambuj etc are still quite active. How is everything with you? -- Lost^(talk) 14:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I was feeling traumatic. --Bhadani 14:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes that was a disturbing experience for me too. I dont know if you follow the discussions on WP:RFA, but his adminship still comes up in discussions. Recently a nomination passed with much lower support percentage. His rfa was mentioned twice in that context. -- Lost^(talk) 15:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello again Bhadaniji, I tried searching for diffs but it is a very long page. But the easier way to do it is, just go to WT:RFA and search for his name using the find function. You will find it twice and you can go through the appropriate comments. Hope this helps -- Lost^(talk) 03:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bhadaniji!

Hello Bhadaniji, did you see this? btw, you have to ask the next question on WP:PINQ. --Gurubrahma 10:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Response. --Bhadani 15:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: DYK

Thank you. You may also like this article created by me 2 days ago. It is also in queue for DYK. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

To let you in on a secret - I hardly knew anything about my city's history, culture and architecture before I started working on the Ahmedabad article. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Bhadaniji. I wish I could get up early. I'm on the other side of the world right now, and it's hard to get up before 8. You get up quite early, though! Here's a mantra on the morning. I know it by heart for a decade, but am yet to find out the exact meaning!

सविता पश्चात्तात् सविता पुरस्तात् सवितोत्तरात्तात् सविताधरात्तात् . सविता नः सुवतु सर्वतातिं सविता नो रासतां दीर्घमायुः . deeptrivia (talk) 00:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, in patala loka (article requested ^_^ ) ! deeptrivia (talk) 00:36, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For helping a brother out on the CfD. Contrary to what Zora says, I don't find the need to "communalize" wikipedia, I merely want Hindus represented on wiki, as we are 1/6 of the world. Also I created the Muslim cat, not for "perpetrating massacre" but to make a precedent that would strike down all religions, before singling out "Hindu" cats. I now know I should have started with Sikh or Jewish so that it would have been less "controversial" and more "secular", because a Hindu user creating both Hindu and Muslim cats is "communalizing Wikipedia". I dont really want to talk to Zora anymore, (she called me some nice names on another AfD), so please consider this a "factual response" to the "hate attack" on Bakaman[8]. Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Need help

Dear Bhadani, can you please check the new article I've made: Chaunk? Badagnani 02:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm so glad you remembered about AIR! The question is, are they not able to find anything or are they not *interested* in helping you to find something. Oh, well, I am much obliged and happy to help you if you ever need some similar information from the U.S. Is it true that chaunk is pronounced "chawnce" or is this just in the Bengali language? Badagnani 02:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Protected

Sorry Bhadaniji, there was a bit of vandalism and I protected your user page and sprotected your talk page. Hope its okay. Take care -- Samir धर्म 13:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

A true wikipedian. --Bhadani 15:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

However, I do believe that when the entire wikipedia is open to be freely edited, I do not mind some vandals visiting my user and talk pages to record their remarks. Such foolish remarks like Bhadani is a pimp and so on is not going to deter me from my mission. I request you to please unprotect both the pages: let 100s of vandals should come, they would find that they shall fail to kill my motivation to be around wikipedia. Let 100 flowers bloom! (copy of my reply on his page) --Bhadani 15:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello sir, How are you? I still remember you told that you might be shifting to Kolkata for proffesional reasons. What about that? :)--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I always intended to ask you, but forgot(have become sort of irregular in WP). Did you happen to meet Dore Chakravarty ultimately?--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the hello. Nice to meet you.--Taxwoman 11:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Reference. --Bhadani 12:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

PINQ

Dear Bhadaniji, thanks for your warm words. It is your support, encouragement and example that keep me going. Thanks again, --Gurubrahma 14:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Wild Ass

Hello Bhadaniji. Since you liked my last DYK - do read Wild Ass Wildlife Sanctuary. Also, take a look at Portal:Gujarat and tell me how you like it. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

my response. --Bhadani 12:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Use of profanic words

This is to bring your attention to vandalism, Somebody is using your name to defame many other names. --Ninad 12:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

my response. --Bhadani 12:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadaniji, I have found the person that Ninad is talking about. Somebody is really besotted with you -- Lost^(talk) 13:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Besotted with me! You have a good vocabulary. --Bhadani 13:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Also this. --Bhadani 13:33, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadanaji, I have found the fellow. He is Miko Solomon, look at what he had done to my old user page for the proof. --Ninad 20:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Just forget the troll. --Bhadani 21:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Little Terrorist

Hello Bhadaniji, thank you:)... When I just started writing the article, I wrote one line and somebody deleted it. I really felt like a Little Terrorist;). But all cleared now and it is even up for DYK!! -- Lost^(talk) 12:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Response to this. --Bhadani 13:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User Name

Hi there,

Thanx for yor message, but how come my name's not conforming to policy. Please sir, can yo elaborate ?

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 13:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

My response. --Bhadani 14:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Bhadaniji,

Thank you, very much for your concern. Actually, my first name is Arya. And I wanted to put the name of my state in my username. I did toy with the idea of "Arya, Maharashtra Rajya" and "Arya, Maharashtra" but I thought "Arya Rajya Maharashtra" is more rhythmic. I am extremely proud to be a Maharashtrian. I am actually a Maratha and I did thought about putting that in the username as well, but again I thought that would unnecessarily brand me a casteist. So, I thought of the current username. Anyways, the username I used is also "Arya" (Sanskrit word meaning "Noble") as opposed to "Aryan" (Anglicized word). So, ideally there should not be any confusion. Of course, if people find it offensive, is there any way to change my username ? And if they mistakenly block me, will I get unblocked again ? As of now, I guess this current one will do. Thanks, again. Do reply me, sir.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 14:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

More response. --Bhadani 14:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

It is indeed an honour to receive a barnstar from you, Bhadaniji. It made my day. Thank you so much.-- thunderboltz^(Deepu) 16:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm humbled by your comments, which I earlier missed in the shuffle of new messages. Thank you for the kind words.-- thunderboltz^(Deepu) 14:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

a little over zealous

It wasn't vandalism - Wikipedia says be bold - I am a new user and meant to press sandbox Wikipedia says give new users a chance dude - so thank you but unecessary if you waited four seconds i changed it and went back to sandbox. Undestand that even though it is a polemic issue does not give you a right to issue a final warning vandalism note. Thanks!(Smiles and kisses)203.206.26.160 00:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Eloise

Copied from that IP's page: I understand your concern: [9]. I was not over zealous, but acting in response to an edit by you. Yes, wikipedia says Be Bold, but it also says do not be reckless. Moreover, it also says follow no rule which I was obliged to follow as your edit looked like vandalism, as you had changed the page name. Your knowledge of processes and procedures of wikipedia indicates that you are not very new to wikipedia: please register a user name if you do not have any, unless you want to land yourself in difficulties as you just faced. The warning shall continue to warn any other users who may be editing from this IP address anonymously. Cheers. (Smiles and kisses) and hugs too. --Bhadani 01:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 13

Hi Bhadani, could you semi-protect this page, as well as September 12, and 10. If that is not possible I understand. However, there is a sockpuppet who has voted multiple times, was blocked, and he keeps removing the notices that he is a sockpuppet, by using what I strongly suspect are new sockpuppet accounts. Your help is greatly appreciated. --BostonMA 02:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

These pages are highly visible pages, and no nonsense may continue unnoticed long by others. In case, some one is really a sockpuppet, he/shall gets exposed sooner than later. I think protecting pages would serve no purpose. If some one is removing comments, he shall be treated as a vandal. Please do not worry much. Reply copied from BostonMA's page. --Bhadani 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. It is at times hard to be patient. --BostonMA 02:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Remarks against India and Indians

• Really sad. --Bhadani 03:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Dbachmann

Bhadani, it's silly to scold Dbachmann for remarks made nearly a year ago. Did you even notice the date? He was tired, he was cranky, and even though you're probably going to decide that I'm a bigot too, I think he had a point. There are people editing Wikipedia who have little education and great hatreds. As he says, they can't be greatly blamed for either, but it is wearisome dealing with the results. To keep WP stable, we're going to have to civilize and educate the whole human race -- or at least the portion of it with net access. That's why people get cranky, take wiki-breaks, or give up. Read this much-copied article [10], have a laugh, and relax. Zora 03:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine Zora. --Bhadani 03:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

To keep WP stable, we're going to have to civilize and educate the whole human race

-This statement by educated zora proves why BIGOTS and BIGOTRY still exist in this world.Bharatveer 04:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to butt-in here, but actually, Bachmann is wrong on 2 counts: 1)there is no "ethnic conflict" in India. (There may be some religious riots, but they are not happening everywhere) 2) The Indians whom he has encountered are angry because of injustice perpetrated upon them, which does not actually amount to hate, but who cares for them anyway? So I feel on account of his valuable contributions towards articles relating to Hinduism and related fields, he must be let off but with a warning. ^Babub→Talk 08:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bhadani. I agree with Babub that DBachmann has made many valuable contributions, and hence should not be banned for his comments (which as Zora points out were made some time ago). I am quite willing to accept Zora's opinion that the comments were made while DBachmann was tired, or DBachmann's own comments that he intended no offence. However, what I found very sad in DBachmann's behavior, even more than the comments themselves, was his unwillingness to accept that these comments might be offensive, even if he did not intend to be offensive, and to take responsibility for any such (possibly unintentional) offensiveness. --BostonMA 13:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Dbachmann, hates Hindus. In fact, I'm surprised to the lengths some Indian users support him. I found Blnguyen to be the only admin who took correct action against dab, by thwarting him on ANI, and backing myself and Bharatveer up. Look at some nice diffs and conversations I had with dab [11] - [12] - [13] - [14] - [15] - [[16]- [17]-[18]-Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani, I am trying hard to AGF here, but I trust you are aware of the history of this? Try to do some research and find out what has been said about this. If, otoh, you are just trying to get my goat, this is an exceptionally poor attempt at trolling. And, I would prefer to speak for myself regarding things I "hate". Not India, or Hindus, to be sure. I have nothing but contempt for militant nationalism, it is true, and I am genuinely saddened to see Hindus represented by the likes of "Bakasuprman" and "Bharatveer". dab (ᛏ) 10:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No comments. I do not care about you AGF or bad faith. I no longer care for you and shall not talk with you unless it becomes necessary to protect the integrity of the Project. --Bhadani 13:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

My resquest to him. --Bhadani 13:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I denounce the personal attacks by dab against two users named by him. Really, unbecoming of a serious administrator and wikipedian. I was not aware that we have denegerated to such a low level of personal interaction. --Bhadani 13:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani, you may rightly denounce any personal attack, but I would like to know your opinion as an admin on the behaviour of User:Bharatveer here, here, here and here? This user is a notorious for such provocative comments and makes it hard for many productive contributors like myself to volunteer our time to WP. I would recommend that you follow the activities of this user and you will understand the frustration many users have felt with him. Sometimes such frustration will cause us to say things we don't really mean. Faults on both sides. In my opinion Bharatveer should be evaluated. - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 23:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Why did you just stopped at "calling for evaluation"? You should have continued your demands for banning me. Pathi , it would be good if you leave personal prejudices from this issue.But i can understand how upset you are with my removals of your POVs in Carnatic Music.But I think that is the way Wikipedia works.And you dont have to appeal to each and every administrator to ban me for that.Finally ,Since dab is not an Alexander and it will better if you dont act like Ambhi .— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharatveer (talk • contribs)

Another example of BV's personal attacks - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 05:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Another example of P's usual pointless accusation.-Bharatveer 06:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia seems to be set to go bust soon! We need more serious people here who actually have some knowledge. ^Babub→Talk 15:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Dab, you must AGF here. Having known both of you, let me say that Bhadani is a valuable contributor and is not a troll by any length. Bhadaniji, let me assure you that I know the circumstances under which Dab uttered the oft-quoted piece of text and that he's definitely NOT against Indians or Hindus. He's a valuable contributor to Sanskrit and Veda-related articles and extremely knowledgeable on those subjects. Just that he gets weary often due to newbies coming in and raking up the same-old issues repeatedly (it's not their fault either). Add the cultural and linguistic differences between him and us, his comments sound rude. Please AGF on him. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 16:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sundar, I have always respected you. I still continue to keep you in high reverence. However, I can not compromise my identity as a citizen of India. I would rather follow A P J Kalam, and would wish to say a final goodbye to wikipedia than to talk with dab. If an administrator like dab can not deal with new wikipedians (he gets weary often due to newbies coming in and raking up the same-old issues repeatedly), he should surrender his administrators tools. However, I shall continue here, as persons like dab (who has lost all my trust and respect) can not force me to say goodbye to wikipedia. I am here with a mission: to contribute to realize the objectives of the dream of Jimbo Wales (the founder and the president of the Wikimedia Foundation) and his team, and shoutings by certain elements would not deter me to stop being a volunteer here. Sundar, in case you feel hurt, I regret. In fact, at the suggestion of Zora, I had posted a message on the page of dab that the matter was closed as far as I was concerned. However, he landed on my page and opened the closed matter. This is really sad, and I am not presuming that he has an ego bigger than most of us. One may have built the entire wikipedia, but by doing this he does not get right to sanction a nation of 100000000 people. --Bhadani 16:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not hurt at all, Bhadaniji. You're entitled to your views on him based on your experiences with him. And yes, I must agree with your point that one should not get intemperate even when wearied by newbies. Of late, I notice that he's getting irritated often. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, in a previous discussion, he has clarified that it's a language issue and that he never intended to insult Indians. He even apologised for any unintended hurt it may have caused. Only after this clarification did I take his point. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar. I shall be sending you a mail shortly, which has nothing to do with this issue but with the possible visit of Jimbo Wales to Bangalore. Regards.

How will you be "following" Kalam if you did that? ^Babub→Talk 16:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It is a classified information: [19]. --Bhadani 17:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bhadaniji, I just wanted to tell you my view on Dbachmann seeing as other people are telling their views. I've only met this user on the Aryan invasion theory and Out of India theory pages and my conduct with him is mixed. Most times the conversation starts on difficult terms and ends on friendly terms and I think there could be two explanations for this. 1) He has mood swings, which is perfectly acceptable considering how many controversial articles must be on his watchlist considering he has over 35000 edits or 2) He just isn't ready to accept other views. I'll just point you out to these comments to editors which he associates to Hindu nationalism (including myself). The fact is that anything outside his point of view on these articles is labelled pseudoscience, propaganda or Hindu nationalism [20][21][22][23]. There are more examples but I don't have much time to sift through them. Thanks. Nobleeagle (Talk) 06:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine. However, I do not want to comment on anyone with whom I may not be talking in future except under very exceptional circumstances. There are 2 million wikipedians, and two persons not talking with each other hardly matter and shall not negatively impact the project. --Bhadani 14:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani, you may like to read my comments regarding this - Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 06:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I read the same. They are nice. However, how I am concerned with them when that person no longer exists for me!!!! --Bhadani 14:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani, I came to your page to thank you for expanding Rajkumari Amrit Kaur, which was on my to-do list. I came across this discussion, about dab's much quoted outburst. I just want to make two points (1) to say he was impugning 1bn people or being prejudiced in any way is an inappropriate reading even of the quoted sentence. As I recall, he was responding to the extended trolling on the Rajput page, and inundated with two or three new users - or sockpuppets - a day, came to the conclusion that it must be the case that some previously unconnected part of India, with little or no education, and exposed to constant inter-caste or communal tension, was the source of the plague. The implication is, of course, that he does not think that this is all of India or all Indians. In fact, he has difficult interactions with what some might call extreme nationalists of all stripes, and these words were his expression of the fear that there would be a potentially unlimited source of such conflicts as more people from places where they had no exposure to the rules of online civility and citation enforced here started editing. So judge him, as you will, but do not judge him believing him to be prejudiced or insulting about all Indians, because you would be wrong to do so. (2) You say above that you have lost all respect and trust for dab. That you have lost respect is possible, and I do not have anything to say about that. That you have lost trust is a little problematic. I may not trust dab to keep his temper with newbies, but that does not mean I do not recognise that he is a superb editor, and more, one that has a devotion to his area of expertise. We need more people who choose to limit themselves to an area where they are experts and expand and cite for articles that have reading lists that are obscure for the rest of us. Dab has done that conscientiously. His misfortune is that his area of expertise happens to clash with some issues that are controversial politically, and thus he receives more than his share of new editors, and some established editors who do not share his level of reading and thus are incapable of carrying out arguments at the level of scholarship that he wishes to maintain. I think it is important that you accept that this is so, because at some time in the future you may be called on to intervene at one of these articles, and unless you can trust dab to have the best interests of WP at heart, you will be compromised as a mediator. Hornplease 08:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments and guidance. --Bhadani 13:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine. However, I do not want to comment on anyone with whom I may not be talking in future except under very exceptional circumstances. There are 2 million wikipedians, and two persons not talking with each other hardly matter and shall not negatively impact the project. Regards. --Bhadani 14:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani, you know better than me, that Dab contributed enormously into the India-related articles. A year ago he also made an unfortunate note about two Rajput users that maybe interpreted as an offence against one billion of Indians. Since then he many times tried to explain that he did not mean anything of that sort. What is really matter thousand of hours spent wotking on India-related articles or a stupid slip of tongue. The good working relations between you and Dab are important for the survival of the project. I am sure you will find ways to mend them abakharev 11:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Response to a friend's advice --Bhadani 13:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

An update: Bhadaniji, Dab has understood that you're a good faith editor and admitted that calling you a troll was a mistake. However, he continues to feel that you should've checked the history of the comment before reacting. That's why he hasn't apologised yet. I don't demand that you respond to this or have any business with him. But, just wanted to update you of this development (positive IMO). Check his full comment at my talk page. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for your recent mail to me assuring to keep me updated about our Jimbo Wales Jimmy's possible visit to Bangalore. As desired by you, I shall SMS you or mail you my contact number(s). As regards the now unimportant matter indicated in your above message, I would like to state that I understand the complexity of the situation, and I never wanted to continue with this "mess" and has declared that the matter stood closed. Despite this statement by me, someone appears on my page, provokes me in a style as if I were an idiot and started shouting in a style most unbecoming of a civil person: I disliked this holier than thou attitude coupled with display of arrogance. Any way, it is a history now. I have other engagements at wikipedia than to pursue this "agenda". Regards. --Bhadani 12:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Troll Replies

Hi Bhadaniji, I am sorry to have attacked you. I didn't know you are such a good person. I was really pissed off when you went against me sometime ago. I won't tell you what, when and how, since you will know about me then. But that's the only reason why I personally attacked you. I offer my heartiest apologies. I hope you will forgive me. I admit that Kiran Parmar, the "Bhadva" series users and Jigar Nahta were all my sockpuppets. But Miko Solomon wasn't my sockpuppet. I don't know who it is. But I assure you I will stop my personal attacks from now on. I hope you will forgive me.

--Satish Gujjar 08:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - You can block this account as I already have another account.

I never cared for all which you claim to have done. I do not care at all for such things: I am here with a mission to continue to contribute to the best of my abilities to make the Project better. I do not imply that you also did to the best of your abilities to make the Project degenerate to the lowest possible levels. There are vandals more intelligent than you! I am replying for the sake of good order only. --Bhadani 13:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

A true Wikipedian. He can go to any extents to assume good faith. My salutations. By the way, you didn't return my phone call. X( --Nearly Headless Nick 13:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I never forgot the call. I shall call you right now, if you are free. But, I shall be calling from a landline number which you should keep with you only. Please message me on my talk page. I shall call you at the number you called me few days before on 12.09.06. Ok. --Bhadani 13:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not call me now. I am not at home at the moment. Make the call at 9 PM. :) --Nearly Headless Nick 13:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please reply to my messages where I make them, as I like to keep my messages in one fine string so that they are all visible without any difficulty to any outsider. Its a part of Wikiquette. ;) --Nearly Headless Nick 13:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok Teacherjee, I shall call you tonight at around 9 PM - 9.15 PM. Ok. --Bhadani 13:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Just had a tele-con with him lasting for about 20 minutes. We talked wikipedia mostly. --Bhadani 16:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Anniversary

Hello Bhadani. Well it has been a year since you became an Admin. You are a wonderful contributor, one of the best we have, which is proven in the contributions log, despite what anybody else or the general populace may think. Take care, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you friend! --Bhadani 13:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Another happy anniversary from me! Hope you are coping well after seeing "that" comment. Take care. Gizza^{Chat ©} 07:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Bhadani 14:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK Queiry

Hi Bhadaniji,

How are you ? Well, I have just created an article yesterday. Here it is - Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Historiography. It's quite a long article and I feel that it should be put on the main page in the "Did You Know" section. I don't know much about how to do it though. I have created a lot of new articles, but really none of them really got to the DYK consideration. Can you tell me how can I go about it ? --NRS^talk|mail 16:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I went to the article with the intention of helping but its an obvious copyvio from [24]. I am putting it up for speedy deletion. NRS, if you are interested in recreating the article, I can work with you to help it reach DYK. Dont worry, it doesnt have to be large, just relevant. Regards -- Lost^(talk) 18:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You please do as you wish. In my opinion, a copyvio should first be deleted, and then recreated without the elements of copyvio. --Bhadani 18:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

My reply to User:New Rock Star: [25]

Hi bhadani, thanx for the reply. Yeah, it's an obvious copy. Pity, I didn't check the site earlier. Actually, a user had pasted the whole article on Shivaji page from where it was shifted to the Talk:Shivaji page. I have mentioned it on the article discussion page as well as in the edit summary when I created the article. So I thought the article is authentic. Well, anyway, I would like to have one article atleast to the DYK level. You know, I've created quite a few articles, but I wasn't aware of the DYK system. Thanx again. While creating a new article, I will get back to you.

--NRS^talk|mail 03:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

File:Dwbirthday cake.gif

adminship day

Happy adminship day!

Thanks

For sticking up for the little man in the discussion above. I felt like I saw an actual Indian(as in Indian administrator) for the first time.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no comments to offer. However, I would like to state that I am an Indian first, and everything comes after this, including my being a wikipedian or my being a Hindu or being an idiot to have wasted 1000s of hours doing edits here. In case, some of the elements in wikipedia fail to respect India as a nation, they are higly mis-informed about India. Having said this, I would like to repeat: I am here with a mission: to contribute to realize the objectives of the dream of Jimbo Wales (the founder and the president of the Wikimedia Foundation) and his team. I also denounce the use of wikipedia by certain elements to misuse the privilege to edit wikipedia to launch campaign of hate against India and the Indians. --Bhadani 02:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

My response. --Bhadani 02:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Well I have been maligned quite a bit by anti-Hindu users and the like (look at talk pages for articles like Hinduism, 2002 Gujarat violence/2006 revision, Indo-Aryan migration, Indian caste system, Upanishads, Mani Shankar Aiyar). This was the first time I saw an Indian admin actually support an Indian user. I've ran into too many users who treat non-Indians as sahibs (you get what I mean).Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I understand your feelings. However, I am not sure of the extent of the fact that many non-Indians continue to treat Indians as their "subjects" and "slaves", and many Indians continue to be infatuated with the idea of worshipping the "sahibs" and the "mem-sahibs". Personally, I have found that wikipedians by and large are nice people otherwise I would not have continued here for last 18 months despite several sad incidents involving Indians and India. --Bhadani 02:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It's good to see...although I've seen DaGizza also support Hindus in the past and supporting the removal of fascism tags on the BJP and RSS. I've kind of lost contact with them in recent times but Rama's Arrow and Srikeit also seemed like very good and influential Indian users who stuck up for the Indians. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not know much about politics, and so I would rather not comment about BJP and RSS - I would love to learn more. Moreover, in a global virtual community, religions and nationalities merge into an ocean to bring forth the most agile virtual community of the human history. BTW, I do not base my views about a fellow-wikipedian on religion or nationality, as I found happening here sometimes. I support only those who are building the Project treating it as an encyclopedia, and not as a battlefield. I also thank you for your kind message of encouragement. --Bhadani 15:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

DaGizza is an Australian Wikipedian, who happens to be of Indian descent. I did not know he was classified as Indian, because therefore I would be Indian as well. Nobleeagle, I have nothing but respect for DaGizza and he has helped me out many times. I sawAustralian Wikipedians first so I assumed he wasnt in India. Anyway, DaGizza is unapologetically Hindu, so I would leave him out of this discussion.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Fyb3roptik page

Hello, Bhadani. I'm just dropping by to inquire about the Fyb3roptik page. I know it was deleted, but could you give me the reason why? I don't know how it was written, but it should be written relating to a character from This Spartan Life. If you could give me the full explanation I'll work towards trying to get the page and keep it up to Wikipedia scratch. Thanks for your time. --Chromium 02:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Kindly give me the relevant details and the links. I shall attend to the matter after few hours. In case, I find that I may have erred, I would surely offer an apology. Regards. --Bhadani 02:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I assume you mean what Fyb3roptik is relevant to; he is a character (technically speaking) on the show This Spartan Life, a machinima talk show made in Halo 2. He is one of the actors, speaking in a different sense. The This Spartan Life materials are available here and externally here. There is precendent for a character in machinima having their own page (Caboose from Red vs Blue, for instance) and so I was just wondering why this page was deleted. Also, any guidelines you might suggest for the page, so that it would stay up to Wikipedia standards and would not stray, would be most welcome. I also apologize for my slow response to your request for information, I am having a remarkably busy day. Many thanks for helping me with this. --Chromium 19:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and the actual article would be found here.--Chromium 21:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Featured article request

Dear Bhadani please see Marathi people.I have been adviced by a editor to try for its Featured article status for its speedy development.See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mahawiki#Marathi_people_article

Can we have that article in "Do you know" section? Thanks. mahawiki 06:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that the page requires a little more improvements. I have only a general idea about the Marathi people. I would try to enlist other editors who may come forward to add more contents to the page. As regards DYK, there is a set rules: if the page gives something unique that surely shall find a mention. There are many editors who scan all new pages, and if something new and unique is found, they would surely select the page. What is new in your opinion about this page? I would also try to scan the page very carefully. Let us build the Project the best one. Thanks. --Bhadani 14:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nomination

Hi Mr.Bhadani

The Peace award for this year would be announced on 13th Oct.Nominations would be invited after that.I woudl laove to have your input and gudance-maybe you have found somebody else to nominate.That woudl be fine as long as teh nomination is made.

Regards(Vr 06:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC))

Hello friend. I think that the nomination for the Noble Peace Prize by your friends should be in favor of the present president of Wikimedia Foundation. His contribution to creating the largest virtual community in human history and use of wiki-medium is unparallel contribution to bring together to a virtual reality the global village. I shall send you an email (directly as I have your mail ID with me) within a week detailing my views and also give a copy on my talk page / other places which are more visible. We should continue concerted efforts on the long term basis not only for the nomination but also for the award of the Prize. Ultimately, he shall get one: my intuition is rather strong, if not this year than within next few years. Regards. --Bhadani 14:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You are mentioned on my talk page

Dear Bhadani, yesterday a message [26] was left on my talk page which mentioned your name, and I responded [27] also mentioning your name. Please let me know if I have said anything inaccurate. (although you need not respond if you do not care to.) I also want to say, that I hope my comment is not read as me offering reconciliation with dbachmann on your behalf. I only wished to point out that my observations of your character, and that in my opinion, you are very forgiving, and if dbachmann were to make an honest effort to reform himself, that your attitude would change accordingly. I apologize for bringing this subject to your attention, while you may prefer peace of mind [28], but since I have written about you, I felt it was my responsibility. Sincerely, --BostonMA 11:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, like most human beings, I too prefer peace of mind but not at the cost of using wikipedia to pour vomits on the national pride of other wikipedians. I do accept that as a wikipedian, I am a member of an international virtual community, but that does not give me right to rough up the national identities of other wikipedians. Moreover, when I touch my heart and apply my mind, I find that that screen name that you are indicating no longer exists for me: for all practical purpose he has gone beyond the realm of my thoughts. Antyesti may not be the correct word to describe such a situation! I am not at all sure!! And, I do not care to think about him any more: there are 2 million other wikipedians with whom I can continue to interact with and work and continue to add value to the Project without bringing into an element of venomous comments oozing out of my nervous debility at any point of time and under any circumstances. Regards. --Bhadani 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhūta-Preta-Pishacha: [29] --Bhadani 15:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

{{India-music-stub}}

I have proposed a stub on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/September. In the past I was sorting music stubs to {{India-culture-stub}} but I guess would be helpful and clearer if we had {{India-music-stub}}. Perhaps you share my opinion too and could help. IrfanAli 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me. Let me think over the matter. Regards. --Bhadani 18:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I do agree. --Bhadani 14:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully earlier this week with a result of (50/3/0). If you have any further questions or suggestions, feel free to write me. I hope I will live up to your trust. Michael 19:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Please cheer up

Hello Bhadaniji, I just read your comments on the village pump and an RFA and I can assure you that whoever said you were a troll may have been angry etc. I have not found a more cheerful person than you here in the past. So please cheer up. BTW, there's a history question waiting for your reply at PINQ.. -- Lost^(talk) 06:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

-- Lost^(talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Thank you. --Bhadani 14:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Wonderful Bhadani...

Wonderful Bhadani, thankyou for your lovely message, for supporting my RfA and for encouraging me when I was first considering accepting the nom. I feel so honoured to have so many awesome people willing to support me. Please, do not listen to anyone calling you a troll or anything else like that. You're the beloved Bhadani. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Bhadani 14:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism On My UserPage

Hi Bhadani, just check out the vandalism on my userpage by a User:Vgowda. Please block him. ---Tipu Hero 05:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine. --Bhadani 15:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I request the admin to take cognizance of this. Also if we compare this and this, I dont see how Tipu Hero doesnt deserve to be blocked too. I hope VGowda wasnt blocked just because Tipu happened to complain first. Sarvagnya 17:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

My response. --Bhadani 17:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

re: Your message

Bhadaniji, I take note of your message. I'll contact you if and when Jimmy's visit is confirmed. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 05:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Reference

If you want to go on a "unreferenced" spree, feel free to include pages of non-Pakistanis, so I have to at least go to your page before discovering you're an Indian. ;) Afinebalance 05:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I am sure that you shall help in providing references to those pages. I will also try. I think that you talked only once in six months, and that too with me. Your interest in wikipedia is really remarkable. I would suggest you to contribute more, depending on your time and inclination. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Referenced two pages.

Referenced one more page: Ahmed Tasnim. And, please note that your oblique reference imputing "motives" was in a bad taste. We are here as wikipedians, which constitute a virtual community transgressing nationalities and national borders. Referencing makes the contents reliable, and it has nothing to deal with your premise and presumption. I think that you understand the meaning. --Bhadani 17:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

One more. --Bhadani 17:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Interlanguage link comment?

Explain further? Why did you add a explanatory HTML comment about the interlanguage links? Have you seen people be confused as to what those are? It seems like a waste of space... JesseW, the juggling janitor 06:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

In case, it would confuse, I shall stop. I thought it would induce editors interested in translations to translate the page in other languages. I had seen some bots adding similar links sometimes, and thought to work like a bot. (smiles). --Bhadani 15:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

bottom line

dear Bhadani, I appreciate your comments re the Giano/KM matter, and looking at the bigger picture I certainly recognize you as an honorable Wikipedian. I admit that your complaint to my talkpage has played on an already very taut string, so that my reaction towards you was much more rude and annoyed than your comment alone would have justified, and for this I apologize, hoping that we will not have to ignore each other completely in unrelated Wikipedia matters because of this unhappy incident. best regards, you are of course free to ignore this message, dab (ᛏ) 08:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate this gesture, Dab. Hope Bhadani takes note of this and responds in like spirit. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sundar, I regret that I did not specifically respond to this message. I had earlier told that the matter was closed. No apology was required. Sometimes, our interaction leads to massive communication gap, and perhaps this happened in this instance too. Let us continue to concentrate on bigger issues. --Bhadani 16:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

Hi, my apologies for uncivil behaviour. I was angry because Tipu was a great secular king and these people paint him as a communalist. It is bad. They target minorities. When I am a nationalist Indian, why is my loyalty suspect ? I don't like this. I feel like crying. But I won't use that language again. Tipu Hero 17:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I myself admire Tipu Sultan. I have studied (many books on him) very well. He was one of the greatest Indians. Imprisonment of his sons at the Vellore fort had ignited a mutiny fifty years before Indian rebellion of 1857 of 1857-58, and it is named as the Vellore Mutiny. Frankly speaking, I do not believe in segmentation of human race into religions and creeds. Yes, we all should be proud to be Indians irrespective of regional and religious affiliations, and all others should be proud of their nationalities (including Pakistanis); but here we are wikipedians, and we have joined hands to write an encyclopedia. I do appreciate your repentence at your bad words, and trust that you shall be more careful in future. --Bhadani 17:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Sir,

Tipu's obscene msg on Rashtrakuta was responded by [me] in civilised language.I adviced Tipu to express his views in good words.After that Sarvagnya blanked out the comments by terming Removed shameless trolling by tipu and mahawiki) Plz tell him to stop abusing me and calling names.mahawiki 03:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. --Bhadani 18:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bhadani if you look at Tipu sultan's talk page, you might see the diff I provided. His comment was racist and anti-Hindu and united both Marathi and Kannada (I hope this is the right word) users (the ones that fight over Belgaum, Vande Mataram, etc) in their hatred of this kind of rant that sound more Lashkar-e-Taiba than A.P.J. Abdul Kalam. I would say the block on vgowda, while "warranted" (I think it was totally unfair, but I'm willing to go with consensus), was probably harsh, judging by the circumstances. Lostintherush seemed to echo my sentiments.Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Good morning Bakasuprman. I appreciate your feelings. I know of most of the things you are referring to ... however, in my opinion, each one is capable of improving. Sometimes, persons say something, which they do not mean: though saying such things are really bad. While I do firmly believe in civility in real as well as in digital life, I do also believe that the wikipedia community must allow each one a reasonable chance to reform and display a more considerate and correct view of the affairs here. I am aware of your concerns in this particular matter. At the same time, I am also aware of the desire on the part of one of us (Tipu Hero) to be more considerate in future. Even then, if you wish not to give any chance to the person despite he having apologized over his behaviour, I do think that we may be digressing from our main mission. I also understand that you and all others are entitled to your individual opinions. Regards. --Bhadani 23:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Response link to Good morning. --Bhadani 23:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Bhai, it is barely evening where I am. I understand your logic now. I remember Ragib gave me a second chance (after Fundywatch), but that was after my hard work on Bengal-related articles and Category:Bengali renaissance. At least make him work for it.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Good evening. --Bhadani 00:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Good morning

• Moved the barnstar

Surprise....— Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

My response copied from his talk page: Oh. I thank you for the "prize": I liked your sentiments. Good morning ... --Bhadani 23:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Jayadratha

Hi, Bhadani I made a comment in the Jayadratha article: It is interesting to note that this is the only incident in scriptures in which Lord Shiva did not grant the devotee his wishes; it was impossible to defeat the Pandavas as they were protected by Shri Krishna. what do you think?

Raj2004 23:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Two apples. --Bhadani 00:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

Raj2004 00:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I plead justice...

This is the copy of post which I wrote on Blguyen's talk page.I also request u to ask sarvagnya to stop badmouthing me unnecessarily.He is trying hard to woo admins to block me.Just have a look on User_talk:Blnguyen and you will many instances of Sarvagnya's bitching and lobbying against me.I have ignored him from long time but this user has not stopped his crusade against me.He abused Shivaji Maharaj (see sarvagnya's post there),he calls me names, he rants out my mistakes of Solapur and Akkalkot but doesnt talk about his mistakes on Belgaon article.

• He is wooing [Sunder](....Will you admins ever haul up Mahawiki for deliberately misleading people? This is shaking my confidence in Wikipedia to survive the onslaught of such bad faith edits..
• Requesting Haphar(..Admin Blnguyen has some background about these guys and I request you to please drop him a line about the blatant misinformation campaign these people are indulging in..)
• And Bakaman (...if you are so bent on supporting me, support me against Mahawiki...)

to drop a line against me on admin's page.He has deliberately provoked and interfered in Marathi_people article where certan POV's etc were sorted out by u and Blguyen.I request u to ask Sarvagnya to stop.From past 1 week he is filling Blguyen's talkpage with his rantings and gossips against me.plz do check blguyen's talk page.

---

Dear Admin, It is very unfortunate that the troll Sarvagnya has vandalised Marathi people article and kept us busy arguing with us to stop making that article into DYK status.Yes he deserves to be called as troll and vandaliser.Its high time u should do to this guy who's unnecessarily bothering us.He is following my contribs and ruining every other article which i touch.Obviously he looked into my discussions with Arya, u and Bhadani about making that article of DYK status and then jumped in there.U and other users had notified us about POV and we were more than ready to correct it,but this guy started a war there.Everything cannot be backed by citations on wikipedia.His interference provoked us and article lost its way.I request to take strongest possible action against him.Why is he filling up ur talk page ranting against me?Why does he unnecessarily create issues??Plz look into the matter.Sarvagnya's behaviour is highly objectionable.I plead u to sort out this matter.

I genuinely intended of contributing to make Marathi people article a DYK.I knew there were zillions of issues which needed to work upon and we were ready to do so as u had suggested.Arya has been working hard on this article.Since 5 days have been passed,can we still attain the 'goal'?It will be very sad if ur answer is no..I demand strongest possible action against Sarvagnya.

mahawiki 10:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting another admin to please help as may be required. --Bhadani 10:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Obscene messages by User :Kirtinat Kamat

Kirtinatkamat,perhaps a sockpuppet of blocked user Vgowda,has been posting obscene messages.Plz take action against him.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mahawiki#Marratty_Kiddieezz
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Marathi_people#Marattti_People_No_Good

Apart from it,I need help at archiving.I have posted some code at my talk page but its not being archived.Thanks. mahawiki 12:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that he would be careful. --Bhadani 13:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I am unable to resolve the technical problem. Please request some other person who may be of help. --Bhadani 13:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanks.I request u to keep a watch on that guy.Whom should i ask for help about that technical problem?mahawiki 13:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Please request User:Ambuj.Saxena. You may also post your request at: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). --Bhadani 13:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Converting units

Hi Bhadani, I have been working on Kaveri river to get some facts and figures into the article about usage of the river. One of the issues that I face is that the many references use differing units, millions of acre-feet, mega-liters per day, cubic feet per hour etc. I was wondering whether it is appropriate to convert these to a single common unit for the benefit of the reader? Have you come across this issue before? What are your thoughts? --BostonMA 14:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I too have come across such problems, and sometimes used whatever figures I could get conveniently. However, this guidance is of help: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indian_districts#Basic_India_conventions --Bhadani 15:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks --BostonMA 15:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

removed redundant space

Please don't do that. The extra space helps stop the image that is included with many stub tags from crowding into the text of the lines above it. As an example look at the before and after at Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine. -- (signed: --Bhadani 01:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC))59.144.16.226 01:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Strange: why my IP number changes many times when I am doing edits from my home: --Bhadani 01:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC) --59.144.16.226 01:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC) OK this time, I will see after few hours again. --Bhadani 01:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Some of the stub tags don't have images and some are small so it doesn't realy matter. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

vandalism

Hi Bhadani: I think this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.102.196.123) was a mistake. I was editing my own userpage, I just hadn't remembered to sign in (i.e. definitely not vandalism). Thanks! Jamason 21:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Jamsin, fine. I deleted the page so that unnecessary conclusions may not be drawn at a future date. Have a nice time, and all the best! --Bhadani 01:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

My two cents on the marathi/sultan/kannada/etc/etc matter

Here's my well-researched experience dealing with this. The diffs and pages are given for yours (or any admins) use on judging the matter at hand. I would guess this is either going to RfC or RfA. I usually dont get into language disputes myself, I prefer religous ones (heh heh).

Vande Mataram

I had clashed with sarvagnya on the Vande Mataram page (look at talk for discussion/details). I was surprised at how hell bent he was on deleting the Skt. transliteration. While myself and a Bengali user were trying to work out the issues, he went into irrelevant anti-Hindi rants quite a few times [30]. Also he was talking down to me and questioning my Skt. knowledge, when he clearly had no idea what he is talking about [31]. He was either trying to get Bengali deleted or Sanskrit deleted, he seemed to have a real issue with compromise. It ws only after I enlisted DaGizza and ragib for help that this whole fiasco was settled, (with a compromise).

Every edit I made on the Vande Mataram page was accompanied by proper discussion on the the talk page. Anyone can see that. Also please feel free to check with both User:Ragib and User:Sameerkhan who were both there throughout and also concurred with me most of the time. And once a consensus was reached on that page or on the Jana Gana Mana page, i never questioned it. Sarvagnya 04:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Tipu sultan

As soon as I saw tipu's rant I warned him [32]. We had a disussion on this above, but Tipu has been using socks [33]. Anyway he's yours to handle.

My olive branch to Sarvagnya

I offered to get rid of my bad blood towards Sarvagnya here [34]. He responded nicely by saying I was "bluffing" and "crying wolf" [35]. I reiterated my statement in a nice manner[36]. His response has things I wont write [37]. I provided him a diff of my warning to tipu hero [38] and I responded to his rants here [39]. He responded back [40] with accusations of me "supporting" Mahawiki when I have never done so.

I felt insulted when I offered him an olive branch and he decided to go all angry on me.

Interaction with marathi users

MAhawiki rq'd my help a few hours later [41]. Arja Rajya also contacted me [42], then mahawiki again [43] Note the respectful tone taken by these users in contrast to Sarvagnya.Bakaman _Bakatalk 22:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

My common reply to all the above comment

Hello Bakaman and all others involved in this matter: I read all the links provided by you, and I am trying to understand the issues involved. However, when persons become charged with emotions, one feels helpless. We all must never present our views in a style that does not serve the purpose of building the Project. I am sure that all persons involved in the issues understand this point, and shall always interact in a style suitable for a community of personas (wikipedians) which is an international virtual community, not confined to any regional, religious, national, and linguistic limitations. Let us come closer to build an international encyclopedia. Having said this, I would like to add that if persons continue to be disruptive and uncivil in their interactions (anyone: me, you, all others including the one/s pointed by you and others) shall surely face the action conforming to the procedures and processes defined by wikipedia. --Bhadani 02:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

My response

I just wanted all record of my run-ins with them in case of RfC/RFA, you know to tell my story. I'm not interested in joining the fight.Bakaman _Bakatalk 14:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I fully understand your points, and appreciate the wiki-spirit shown by you. I assure you that I am with you, and all others who conform to wiki-civility. Regards. --Bhadani 14:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Spam

I most strenuously object to your indiscriminately spamming article talk pages with a message unrelated to the articles. Snottygobble 12:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In case, you think those edits to be spam, I shall replace them with expand tag. Would that be okay? --Bhadani 12:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that these messages were placed only on articles that you think require quality improvements? In that case, I apologise. Such usage is definitively not "indiscriminate". I do think the message is a bit cryptic though - I don't think the average person would interpret it as an invitation/request to improve the quality of the article. If you want to promote Wales' statement, perhaps you could add an expand tag as well? Snottygobble 12:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Nothing to apologise. Rather you made me to underatand that such taggings of a particular group of pages may lead to some sort of "communication gap" among the users. I shall sortly tag these pages with {{expand}} too. In future, I shall be wording similar messages, if any, in a way which make the message very clear. Regards. --Bhadani 12:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Bellend

Reference: [44]

Seems like a lot of people think the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.80.183 (talk • contribs) of 24.09.06

For reference. --Bhadani 19:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Bellend crudentials confirmed - we have a bellend - awooooooga---- we have a bellend--- awoooooga! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.80.183 (talk • contribs) of 24.09.06

Using slangs is not a good idea while doing eidts here. --Bhadani 02:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

review

Hi - Please do me the kindness of visiting and sharing your views at Wikipedia:Editor review/Rama's Arrow 2. I need your advice and criticism, and I would be immensely grateful if you could spare a little time on this. Thank you, Rama's arrow 15:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure. --Bhadani 18:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

howdy Bhadani

do you think a nothere template should be added to anonym's talk page per his absence from WP (three months is a long time!)? it's just that i remain concerned for him (even though i've never actually met him) and that his value as a wikipedian and an admin is reflected by the fact that people still post requests and comments on his talk page. regards ITAQALLAH 01:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Response. --Bhadani 02:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

thank you for your greetings. i wish the best for you in the future. ITAQALLAH 13:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bhadani

Hi Bhadaniji,

How are you ? Bhadaniji, I, along with other editors, have expanded the article Marathi people to some extent. I am going to add more material to the article. I am also providing references and am trying to keep the article as NPOV as possible. Actually, I want the article to be on the main page, either as DYK or Featured Article. I know for Featured Status, the article needs to be expanded even more. But I assure you, will leave no stone unturned in that respect. Of course, I need direction though. Sir, please can you go through the article and just tell me whether it is going in the right direction. I would be very thankful to you. It would be great if an India-related article would go on main page. Bye. -AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 05:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Arya Rajya. I will surely try to assist to the extent possible. However, there are some experts in writing FAs. I will also request their assistance. --Bhadani 13:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

INCOTW

You voted for Indian Armed Forces, this week's Indian Collaboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes. sure. And, thanks for reminding me. --Bhadani 13:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Hello Bhadani, I've ground to a halt in trying to create the sub-category "English taxonomists" in the category "English scientists" - Please help!! I must be woolly-headed at the moment! Have an excellent day Paul venter 12:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice meeting you. I shall try to do whatever I can do. --Bhadani 13:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikimeetup

Bhadaniji, are you away from your mobile phone? I've called you up many times and noone's picking up? In any case, give me a ring when you see this message. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 13:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just had few minutes of tele-talks with him few moments before in connection with visit of Jimmy Whales to Bangalore. --Bhadani 13:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

specie vs. species

Thanks for your link on Asclepias asperula. However, note that the term is "species" (singular) and not "specie". (See, for example, the disambiguation page for specie.) I corrected it in this article, but if you've made the same link in other articles, you may want to go back and correct them yourself. Cheers, Lunch 21:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I shall correct the same for terms beginning with A & B. Thank you for poinint out. It is really nice to see that someone always watches. I shall correct them immediately. This is the spirit of wikipedia. Regards. (copied from his/her page) --Bhadani 21:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool beans. Have a good day! Lunch 23:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki

Hi dear Admin,

This is to bring to your notice the wiki-feud I've been having with User:Mahawiki for almost one month now. It started with the Belgaum page which went to mediation, warnings were handed out to both parties, and when Mahawiki's incivil ways continued, Admin:Bluyugen handed him a warning and then a block. Find that here.

I do not want to turn the clock back and go through all those content disputes again. Infact, I dont want to present to you the details of any content dispute we've had. All I want to present to you is the brazen incivility and personal attacks being committed by User:Mahawiki either in the course of his content disputes or even simply just out of spite.

All the diffs(exhibiting his incivility and personal attacks) I provide below are from AFTER, I REPEAT, "AFTER". ADMIN BLUGYUEN INTERVENED, WARNED ALL OF US, BLOCKED MAHAWIKI AND SAID [THIS].

Please find below dozens of instances of blatant incivility and personal attacks by User:Mahawiki either on me or on User:Dineshkannambadi and all Kannadigas in general. His remarks are in extremely bad taste and counterproductive resulting in undermining of the good faith efforts of the other editors to carry on editing their articles.

While I dont want to go into each and every diff and explain it, just to give you a sample of his incivility, he has made edits where, even if only in jest or sarcasm, he makes atrocious claims like, I am on a kill Mahawiki mission, that User:Dineshkannambadi is the Kannada (Bin) Laden(sic). In another edit, even if only for jest(which I certainly dont find amusing nor appreciate esp., when it comes from him), he has threatened to sue me. He has called us cultural TERRORISTS, losers, notorious, shameless etc., etc. He uses the word vandalism like one would use 'Hi' and 'Hello'.

Find all the above and much much much more in the diffs I've provided below. Whats worse is his antics are going unchecked because Admin:Blugyen who knows about our feud is on a wikibreak and Admin:Sundar whose intervention I've sought more than once, is busy with other things(I presume, in real life) - which ofcourse, I dont hold against either of them.

But wikipedia will be a poorer place if brazen incivility like this goes unchecked for weeks simply because many admins dont know about it or the ones who know are by force of circumstances, too busy to deal with it.

I request immediate and harsh action on Mahawiki.

Once again, let me remind everyone that in the links below, none of them pertain to any content disputes. I belive in dealing with the content disputes on the relevant talk pages and dont usually bring it out on user talk pages.

Infact, I have even not listed below, the atrocious claim he made a couple of days ago that I had deleted and later undeleted an article. Also not listed below is his blatant removal of {{fact}} tags I had added in a couple of articles without even clarifying or providing a citation for the claim which I had tagged. Also not listed below may be umpteen other instances of incivility and npa violations on his part that I might have missed. And specifically, I should mention, not listed below is the "NBut" instance.

All the diffs below deal purely and only with his brazen incivil comments and personal attacks not just on me, but on User:Dineshkannambadi and also highly respected historians like Mr. Suryanath Kamath et al(who have been cited in some articles by Dinesh) whom he has trashed and dismissed in the most uncivil manner possible.

Apart from this he also makes disparaging remarks on Karnataka and Karnataka politicians who he keeps claiming are oppressing and torturing Marathi speaking people in Belgaum. This is not a content dispute, this is plain nonsense and insanely belligerent language.

His incivility apart, he has made it a habit and a routine to go around all over wikipedia branding me and Dinesh as 'Kannadi' vandals bent on Kannadizing all articles we touch. Ask him if we have included any uncited material or if we has ever cited any references for his numerous claims or whether he has taken it up on the article talk page instead of on a random user talk page. His answer will be negative. And yet, that doesnt stop him from going around shouting that we have been vandalising articles!!

Anway, I dont want to veer this towards the 'content disputes' which is a whole different matter altogether. Content disputes can always be discussed and agreements reached. Let me present to you just his brazen incivility and personal attacks.

Here we go -

[45] [46] [47] [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62] [63] [64] [65] [66] [67] [68] [69] [70] [71] [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] [79] [80] [81]

Sarvagnya 21:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

My response. --Bhadani 21:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

More response. --Bhadani 22:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Usage of the term "Kannadi"

Hi Bhadani, I had requested the user Mahawiki not to use the term "Kannadi" to refer Kannadigas or 'Kannada talking people' or 'people from Karnataka'. Other wikipedians such as AreJay, Dineshkannambadi, Aksi_great, Sarvagnya and Haphar too have requested/asked Mahawiki to not to use that word.

On 29th of August 2006, Mahawiki had agreed to use the word "Kannadiga" instead of "Kannadi". Please refer to this edit in AreJay's talk page

However he continues to use "Kannadi" despite all these requests. I then reported the same to admin User:BInguyen. But BI is on a Wikibreak. At this time, as you are engaged in looking into Mahawiki's edits, I thought its appropriate to bring this issue into your attention. As you might have observed by now, he has been using the phrases "Kannadi fanatics" and "Kannadi vandalisers" more frequently in various talk pages and edit summaries, which I consider, and you might agree too, as incivil. I request you to please do the needful. Thank you - KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 03:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

My Story On This

Hi Bhadaniji,

You may remember me as the user who asked you to review Marathi people article. Well, I have been observing the ongoing fued between User:Mahawiki and User:Sarvagnya which has been going on for quite some time. I know I am not a big part of this fued, but many times I too was dragged in this rivalry. I am going to make a few points clear from my side.

I registered to Wikipedia very recently on 9 Sep '06, after observing it for a few months. I contributed to a few articles through anonymous IP addresses but most of them were small contributions. And I didn't comment on anything nor interacted with anyone. However, once I chanced upon the Belgaon page and saw that a massive war is going on. I saw the comments page ie the talkpage of Talk:Belgaon and was further dumbstruck. I saw one particular comment [82] and I got extremely enraged. It was a really inflammatory comment. The way it was written that Maratha Empire was not great and all Kannada Empires were great was particularly bad. I registered to Wikipedia, since I knew, if I need to comment then I would have to show identity. And I admit that I did indulge in a sort of incivilty at that time. I did that because I was really angry. You can see my first edit here - First Edit. Then on mahawiki's request I saw Rashtrakuta page. I saw it was extremely Kannadized by the same user User:Dineshkannambadi. I saw mahawiki trying to reason with the aforementioned user but the user just won't budge. Before mahwiki, another user (who was anonymous but signed his name as Kasar) had also tried t reason with Kannambadi but it was like Kannambadi had hijacked the page. I kept quiet for a while. But again he indulged in anti-Marathi rhetoric and called mahawiki a "Goon". That time I let go of myself again. After that we, both mahawiki and me were attacked by a certain User:Vgowda who attacked us in one of the most incivil ways. Vgowda has a history of incivility and vandalism. See User_talk:Vgowda and Vgowda's Block Log. He was promptly blocked by Blnguyen. Blnguyen intervened in the matter and I apoloziged to him here. Since then I have been extremely civil and it is only sporadically that I get angry. At the same time , Mahawiki was blocked by Admin Blnguyen. I asked Mahawiki to be patient and have faith in the admin. After that, as you can see with my contribs, I have been working on a few articles, esp. Marathi-related where I added some transliterations and also the Marathi people page which I expanded with the help of mahawiki, haphar, nrs, info4all and vijaysawant. But there User:Sarvagnya came and started putting tags everywhere. Since I knew the history of relationship between mahawiki and sarvagnya (they were warring on Belgaon page at that time), I knew that Sarvagnya is doing this out of spite. I offered citations still he started poking his nose in the article. After sometime he went though. But then came another User:Kirtinat Kamat who again badmouthed Maharashtrians. Actually, I have no direct animosity with Sarvagnya, but from whatever I interacted with him and also from his interactions with mahawiki, I can say that he is extremely rude and fanatical.

As far as Sarvagnya's fued with mahawiki is concerned, I think it is Sarvagnya who has been uncivil and not mahawiki. See the repeated unnecesary warnings on mahawiki's page. I knew Sarvagnya's opposition to Marathi transliteration on Belgaon page which mahawiki had put. After admin intervention, the result went mahawiki's way. And since then it seems sarvagnya is trying to "avenge" his "defeat". I cant say much on this though, better if you ask mahawiki. Also, try to understand that almost all wars were instigated by Sarvagnya himself. Also, the way he called our leader "Shivaji" as seevooji in one of the edit summaries was in very bad taste. He has been deleting some paras from the Kaveri article as well. And again he has been on a campaign to block mahawiki for quite some time now. The comments by mahawiki on deleting of articles by Sarvagnya should not be taken seriously as mahawiki is a novice and he may have not known that only admins can delete articles.

Also, Bhadaniji, you can refer to Bakaman's comments on your page for some more info. For your convenience, here is the link [83]. You may know who can be more civil.

Dineshkannambadi has Kannadized many articles apart from creating unenencyclopeadic advertising articles like The Great Karnataka Expansion. See Seuna page and it's talk page. Marathi was the official language of Yadavas which is not mentioned. I am trying to rectify these glaring errors.

I have been extremely honest on this. I have told the story from my view but again being impartial.

AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 04:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This is the answer I had gave to KNM long before.But since all these ppl are busy wooing u against me here's that response of mine-

Please. Thanks. --Bhadani 14:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannadi

Thanks for ur reply.Kannadi is not a offensive term.The people of Karnataka are known as Kannada or Kannadis here.Insistance of kannadid word is like insistance of "Bhartiya" for Indians or "Marathi Manoos" for Maharashtrians.I*f u dont believe me,see-

• http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%A1%E0%A5%80&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
• http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/कन्नड

Mahawiki 03:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, both the reasons you have provided above are invalid, although I would leave that to Admin's decision.

Here is why they are invalid.

Reason#1 given by you: Google search URL. Please note that you have used non-English word search in Google. We are talking in English wikipedia and about how to term something in English. Moreover, just because Google returns results, we cannot consider the search URL itself as citation. You would definitely agree with this because you strongly opposed the usage of "Chatripati Shivaji" by another editor. That editor was pointing you about the google result too. All I am saying here is, your judgement should be consistent with both the words, whether it is "Kannadi" or "Chatripati Shivaji". I donot endorse either of these words/phrases, as they are not commonly used in English and especially there are no Wikipedia articles in those names.Mahawiki 13:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thats what!!This aint kannada wikipedia.Whole west and central areas know u ppl as Kannadis.North India calls terms u as Madrasi.Kannadida is a kannada word,why should I use it?Will u use Marathi Manoos for Maharashtrians?

Chatri means umbrella,u might be knowing that.Kannadi doesnt mean anything wrong.It aint a slang.Perhaps u should also sue Marathi newspapers which ranks top NRS list for they use the same word!In fact Pt.Bhimsen Joshi and Girish Karnad too use 'kannad' 'kannadi people' words in abundance.Why would they want to abuse u?Stop diverting the issue.Arejay was being extremely humble and he never abused me like Sarvagnya or like Dinesh and u who r trying to show us how great ur state is.I am happy that I didnt stop saying Kannadi as it is like giving in to ur Kannadi pressure.Mahawiki 13:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reason#2 given by you: Marathi Wikipedia article for Kannada. Wikipedia to Wikipedia references are considered circular references and are not valid citations. Moreover, as the interwikis clearly show, that article is for Kannada language and not for anything called "Kannadi".

Also, please note that you had already agreed(responding to User:AreJay's request) to use Kannadiga word instead of "Kannadi".

The language is 'Kannad' and people speaking kannada are termed as 'kannadi' or to be precise 'Kanadi'.If u mind that extra 'n' i wont mind dropping it.Stop imposing ur language in Wikipedia,please? Mahawiki 13:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! - KNM ^{Talk - Contribs} 04:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for your message. However, I would request you to resolve the issued yourselves. Once you do it, you shall find a new wiki-light enveloping your wiki-life. However, in case, you fail to resolve the issues, please take up the same at a better and the proper place. Regards and all the best!. --Bhadani 14:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarvagnya's badmouthing

Well its very unfortunate that I have to write it again and again but the user Sarvagnya is using his fluency in English and better understanding of Wiki's policies to sack me.Yes he is on the mission of 'Kill Mahawiki'.Before I was flattered by his attention but now its really bothering me.I'll tell u why is he so behind me-He seems to have taken his defeat at Belgaon page too personally.He wanted to delete Marathi transliteration from tht page and he lost the case when I provided enough citations.Before u take any decision or judgement I request u to go through Belgaum Talk entirely.Note that after Aksi_great and Amerique's intervention I became completely citation-savvy and prvided enough of them but this user Sarvagnya mindlessly made a issue out of non-issue.See that discussion and u will find I have dealt with him patiently and Amerique [resolved] the issue by giving a green signal to Marathi transliteration.Yet this Sarvagnya was misleading other admins that 'Amerique and Aksi FED up with my behaviour blah blah.I request u to read the whole discussion properly.

Sarvagnya is being wooing Blguyen from weeks to get me blocked.Blguyen had blocked me because of my encounter at Rashtrakuta and not of Belgaon.He didnt knew the background of me and Sarvagnya and hence he didnt hear my stand on this.After his warning I have not being incivil until yesterday..about it later.But before just have a look how Sarvagnya is wooing and lobbying with admins against me.Plz see User:Talk Blguyen.sarvagnya is bad-mouthing me since ages. He was adviced to refrain from it but in vain.Ok now he seems to take u on ride with so-called my incivility-

• 1)He has called me names like shameless,troll,damn,wolf blah blah blah.
• 2)He has insulted Shivaji maharaj here
• 3)See what made me enraged at Belgaon page here
• 4)He seems to be against every language except Kannada.He opposed Hindi transliteration at Vande_mataram,Jana_gana_mana,Marathi transliteration at Belgaon, Tamil transliteration at Kaveri_river.He provoked us by adduing fact tags everywhere at Marathi_people after which admin asked him to stop.
• 5)He tried to influence admin by lieibng that I called him NUT in fact it was a typo and I meant BUT! See this.He is also asking other users to drop a line 'against me' at admin's page.See Haphar's page and Baka's page.His words on their talk pages-..Admin Blnguyen has some background about these guys and I request you to please drop him a line about the blatant misinformation campaign these people are indulging in.. and ...if you are so bent on supporting me, support me against Mahawiki...
• 6)Plz have a look on Kaveri_River_Water_Dispute, rashtrakuta, vijayanagara_empire.Note the glorifying of Kannada on these articles.See how users are objecting it on the talk page of vijayanagara_empire.
• 7)Now i turned incivil due to Suena where these fanatics are potraying Yadavas,as Kannadis.In our view he is a Marathi king.Note that tthese guys are taking help of a single fanatic idoitic book and 'Kannadising' each and every article possible.Plz have a look on Seuna article carefully and see how Kannada is being glorified against Marathi.How can a single book which is a original research and contains personal opinions of so-called historian used tp push their Kannadi POV everywhere?This is not encyclopedic.

I regret my incivil words but plz be notified that Sarvagnya and his dear friendare not innocent either. I request u not fall pray to sarvagnya's lies and warn sarvagnya against badmouthing me. Mahawiki 03:45, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I thank you for your message. However, I would request you to resolve the issued yourselves. Once you do it, you shall find a new wiki-light enveloping your wiki-life. However, in case, you fail to resolve the issues, please take up the same at a better and the proper place. Regards and all the best!. --Bhadani 14:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Tanishq

Hi

I see that you have covered the sentence I added for original research. Thanks. I was wrong.

I found this on WIPO's website. This has info on a decision regarding a domain name dispute for tanishq.com. http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2000/d2000-1793.html

It contains a statement on the meaning of Tanishq as intended by Titan Industries. Quote: "The mark was formed by combining the first two letters of Complainant's name with the Sanskrit word Nishq, meaning gold coin or necklace."

Looks like a good source.

Searching for "niSka" or "niSkaH" in some of the Sanskrit dictionaries (http://www.multilingualbooks.com/onlinedicts-sanskrit.html#dicts) points to the same meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigmahroll (talk • contribs) of 26.09.06

Let us try to do it. --Bhadani 23:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Articles to be expanded

I'm afraid I don't understand the purpose of creating a category called "Articles to be expanded" and using it to tag pages upon pages of articles. And how is this different from the existing stub tags? There are thousands of articles in Wikipedia that could be expanded, we all know it, there are thousands of stub tags out there already, and I don't think tagging thousands more with a "please expand this article" message is going to accomplish much unless it can magically cure us of the need to sleep, or the need to spend time earning a living. MrDarwin 00:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The template you are referring to is use in wikipedia for long, and the community has allowed its use in the manner being used by me. Please do not get much worried, and feel happy. There are two million wikipedians, and some day some one shall expand the page. The template is just another way to attract attention of editors interested in the pages. Cheers. --Bhadani 14:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The main page for Articles to be expanded says "This category is for articles that are beyond a stub, but still need to be expanded with additional information or details." I checked several of the articles you tagged, and every one already had a stub tag. Therefore I'm deleting the expansion tag from those articles, but so far only the ones I've personally edited in the past. If you're going to continue tagging plant articles with this category, I would strongly suggest bringing it up on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants page where the plant article editors discuss such topics and try to reach consensus on them. MrDarwin 14:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you are a better judge of the matter. Please do as you find suitable. --Bhadani 14:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I've removed a few but only from those articles I've personally edited in the past; I don't have time to go through the hundreds of others! I would recommend that the expansion tag should be deleted from any plant article that already has a stub tag; in most cases if there isn't a stub tag, it would be more useful to add a plant stub tag instead of the expansion tag, as the plant stub tag will bring the article to the attention of numerous plant editors. (I'm still not entirely clear on how the expansion tag differs from a stub tag; it seems that the two are being used more or less interchangeably.) MrDarwin 14:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I do agree with you. Frankly, the matter has also beffled me sometimes. I would try to remove the exapnsion tags in the pages you are referring to gradually. --Bhadani 14:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the value of stub tags is that they are narrower categories, and since most editors specialize to some degree, stub tags help to bring articles to the attention of the editors who tend to work on those particular kinds of articles. In the case of plant articles, there is a already a vast network of plant stub categories and a number of editors (alas, not nearly enough) who are working on such articles. MrDarwin 14:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused also. The article on Baluchi, Afghanistan is clearly a stub, but you've added a Please Expand This Article tag, when it already has a Stub tag requesting it be expanded. Why? There are other articles that cover the topic in sufficient depth to which you've added the tag also. Exactly how much more information and what other information should be added to the Banana Boat Song page? Please let me know what types of information, and I'll be glad to add it. But this, and other articles you've given an expansion tag to, seems sufficient to me. Please explain what is going on.KP Botany 14:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be difficult to generalize and quantify our contents. We are here to build the best online encyclopedia, and we are yet to reach the "sum total of knowledge" in respect of most of the pages including the ones you are referring to. Do you think that these pages are ultimate in their coverage? There is always some scope for improvement, and wiki-process is takes care of this aspect. Expand tag is an invitation to other editors interested in the matter, in case you have contributed to your maximum level to any page, you may just move to other pages where you may add more value. In the pages where I or you are unable to add anything, someone else would add something still. Please do not get perturbed at my, yours, or any body's limitations, there are always more editors to continue the works left by you or me. Even FAs continue to get edits by way of further value addition. Looking forward to more great works from you. I have also a suggestion, instead of keeping your user page "red" you may make that "blue", of course if you wish so. As I am planning to go to Bangalore within a day for a meeting of wikipedians with Jimbo Whales, I may not be able to respond to messages immediately. Regards. --Bhadani 15:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion

With the language dispute raging, you should file an RFC/RFA. That should cool it down.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

(Copied from his talk page) Perhaps persons involved are capable of sorting out the issues without any one's intervention. As such, I am requesting them to resolve the issues themselves, and failing that they may initiate further action at a better and at the proper place. I am not a party to the dispute, and I am also not interested in taking the role of a mediator as I do believe that editors involved are capable of resolving the issues themselves. Moreover, my knowledge of the "things" they are talking about is very limited, and an expert is required to deal with the contents. As regards civility and language, such things sometimes happen, and editors learn to talk nicely in the long run or face the consequences. I also thank you for your suggestions. Regards. --Bhadani 13:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization in dictionary entries?

I noticed you have capitalized the entries on a number of pages. This looks strange to me, as I have never seen a dictionary with capitalized entries. It makes it difficult to distinguish between proper names and ordinary words. You say it's a "general convention" - what does that mean? That's not how it's done in Wikidictionary, for one. Lagringa 01:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You are right. That was a mistake, which some one pointed out to me while I was doing those edits. I had even offerred to re-do the same. However, perhaps I was made to understand that that was not very urgent. Still, I would reverse the same some day. Regards. (copied from his talk page) --Bhadani 13:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

review

Hi - Please do me the kindness of visiting and sharing your views at Wikipedia:Editor review/Rama's Arrow 2. I need your advice and criticism, and I would be immensely grateful if you could spare a little time on this. Thank you, Rama's arrow 15:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure. --Bhadani 18:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Bhadani 00:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Wiki light

Hi I saw your message on my talk page. Does it mean you are dissociating yourself from this issue altogether or are you just referring to the content disputes that they are discussing on your page? Please clarify. If you have nothing to say on the matter, I may have to go to another admin. Sarvagnya 18:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I am just suggesting to resolve the issues among yourselves. Being part of wikipedia, I can not dissociate myself fully and completely. Having said this, I would request you to please take up the matter with other administrator/s as I may not be able to go deep into the issues for personal reasons. Thanks and regards for reposing confidence in me. --Bhadani 18:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Campaign for less bull more writing

• Reference

नमः पूवॉय गिरये पशि्चमादृये नमः,
ज्यीतिगॅणानां पतये दिनाधिपतये नमः
(Saluations to you, the presiding deity of the Eastern mountain (where the Sun rises), and the western mountain (where the Sun sets). Saluation to the Lord of the Steller bodies and the Lord of the day.)

My dear Mr. Dieter A. Bachmann, namaskar. In fact, I never required any apology from you. I am returning the same without any interest as I never felt that one was due from you. As indicated in one of my e-mails to Sundar, I had clarified my position: I may have perhaps over reacted. However, I offer my apology to you for disturbing your peace of mind. Like you and several others, I too believe that we should continue to focus for the work for which we have gathered here, all other issues are subsidiary to that primary issue. We may inter-act less or may disagree on certain points, but we always agree that there should be less bull more writing, and the truth never depends on consensus. --Bhadani 18:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

thank you indeed, Bhadani, for your friendly comment. You have just restored some of my faith in Wikipedia. Yes, and now let us move on and muck out all that 'bull'. regards, dab (ᛏ) 19:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Stub sorting

When I was editing a few Indian food pages, I noticed you had also edited a few. Might I introduce you to our own stub for shapadam from the motherland? {{India-food-stub}}.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. In few minutes I shall start from Chennai to Bangalore to attend the meeting:
Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics/Bangalore meetup, 2006. --Bhadani 01:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Have a safe trip and get us an update. Some snaps would be good - Ganeshk (talk) 01:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --Bhadani 15:17, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Good trip

Hello Bhadani. Please have a good and nice trip. You have a chance to push for some much needed reforms. Enjoy.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I was just whiling away my time, as I am going by a car, and if I start now, I shall be early. I shall start in 10-20 minutes. --Bhadani 01:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Are there a lot of wikipedians in the motherland? I thought most were from Australia, UK or US.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Many are in India and many Indians also elshwhere (outside India). OK. Now, I should move. --Bhadani 01:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Nepal districts

This is to inform you that the project above is being considered for deletion. Please feel free to follow the links on the project page to participate in the discussion. Also, there is a more general project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Nepal, which you might be interested in. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you. In fact, I was myself thinking of recommending the pag4e for deletion, as I was not able to give further attention to the Project. Now, Wikipedia:WikiProject Nepal this should take care of the pages relating to Districts of Nepal. --Bhadani 14:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

And: [84]. --Bhadani 15:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - first edit day/wiki-birthday

Thanks for congratulating me on my being here a whole year! :D — Gary Kirk // ^talk! 16:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)