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Artistic gymnastics

Great! I'll write down your screen name and then archive all of this, just so the emails and screen names aren't floating around on the main page. I saw that you had started updating the gymnastics articles--wonderful! It's especially helpful that you've given the Russian names for some of the gymnasts, I'd never be able to find those on my own. :) My knowledge of Russian is limited to the alphabet and a few phrases, I'm afraid. :)

Namaste is Hindi (a few of my close friends are Indian so they taught me a little). It's basically a greeting but also means something along the lines of "my respect to you." I like using it a lot more than other salutations. Namaste! Mademoiselle Sabina 04:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the respect :) Hindi? It's nice! I suspect now, that you have friends all over the world :) I see, that you returned to editing gymnastics articles too, I am very glad, because your style is great!

I am now going to create some navigational templates similar to ones used for figure skating champions (templates are at the bottom of that article). The problem is that there are much more events in AG. Due to this I am going to create only templates for women's AA champions (Olympic, World and possibly European), using "gold" color for strips and including them only into biographical articles. What do you think of this?

Sorry for replying only here. It's because I am not sure, whether to reply on your Talk Page's archive or on your current Talk Page. Cmapm 07:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I think those are great ideas! It would definitely be nice to have templates for the all-around champions. Perhaps for team too? I'd leave out European Championships, just because Euros is a regional meet. It's surely a very important meet, but if Euros were there and the Commonwealths/PanAms/Asian Games/etc. were not, people could feel excluded.

I'm going to try to do something with some of the Eastern European gymnasts and Maria Filatova tomorrow, right now I'm simply too tired. Thanks for the kind words always! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 08:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

PS it's fine to reply on my Talk Page too--I just archived the old discussion for security (email, screen names etc.) and so forth. I do have friends from a lot of countries, which is very cool for me. :)

Taking into account your excellent style and knowledge on the subject, it would be great if you write something up about Maria Filatova!

Thank you for your opinion! Yes, Euros seems inappropriate unless other continentals are mentione as well. Thank you for the idea of the team competition template! I've created/reformatted three templates, which I'll include into articles later today:

{{NavigationWorldChampionsArtisticGymnasticsWomenAA}}

{{NavigationWorldChampionsArtisticGymnasticsWomenTC}}

{{Footer olympic champions individual all-round women}}

For the team competition I presented only country names, because listing all team members would take a lot of space. I wanted to make all background "gold", but then names of athletes would be difficult to read, hence I chose "standard" background colors. Have you any suggestions/comments about their format, colours, layout, etc.?

BTW, it will be OK, if you reply only on your Talk Page, I'll copy your replies to my one. Cmapm 12:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks nice as is! The gold is there in the header, so it's fine. :) Thanks for setting up the template. I wouldn't have had the slightest idea how to make one of those (I've edited templates but never done them outright).

I am going to start writing something up about Filatova tomorrow methinks...I'm way too tired to do it tonight. Nice edits on the Turischeva article, BTW! :) Namaste Mademoiselle Sabina 23:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for being so nice to me in each of your replies! :) In case you encounter problems with Russian names, I'll provide them. By the way, it seems to me, that Russian is not that difficult to learn, as compared to hieroglyphic languages :) In case you need help on some topics or have some problems, just ask, I'll be very glad to help you!

I should like to know your opinion and any suggestions in clarifying some issues. First, I am not sure, is it nice to include nationals and continentals into tables of achievements (like for Natalia Yurchenko and Polina Astakhova) or not? Other problems are related to women's World Championships: I can't find team members, which competed in the Team Competition events for any of the Championships prior to 1979, anywhere in the internet; since 1991 Team Competition event and even AA were not held regularly, e.g. no Team Competition in 2005. Of course these are my personal problems, but maybe you have some ideas? Cmapm 15:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that in terms of the individual gymnast page, talking about their national/regional credentials is fine. it's a big deal to win your country's Nationals, so I think it's a major achievement worth mentioning.

I found the URS and ROM rosters for the 1978 Worlds here: http://www.gymn-forum.com/results/Worlds/Women/1978_teams_1-2.html For the others, a book I have might have the full list of team members...OK, checked, it doesn't. :(I can puzzle out partial rosters from the AA/EF results, but that's no help. Maybe for the years without full Worlds (92, 96, 02, 05) the entry could say "no team competition held" or something?

Thank you for all of your ongoing help and ideas here! I'd be lost in this topic without your help and input. :) Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 20:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help here! I'm inspired to create new biographical articles and expand existing ones, including national/regional achievements into them! :)

Your link will be very helpful, when I come to inclusion of all the results into articles about the Championships, like I already did for some Olympics. And for now I've just solved the problem - using an extensive web search in languages other than EN and RU I found a German page with all team members! I'm ready to include them into pre-1979 articles in a while (after I scan my photo) :)

Yes, such entry is a good idea! I'll also think of its inclusion into templates, created by me. But I wonder, why those Worlds weren't full? Cmapm 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yay! Great that you were able to find a source for the earlier team rosters. Fabulous work. :) I hope you will create new articles, I'd be happy to read them.

For the Worlds...from what I have read and heard, the FIG goes back and forth with the Worlds every single quadrennium and can't ever finalize a permanent schedule. They had FIVE WC between 1993-1996 and people complained it was too much; they had only two Worlds in the 1997-2001 quad and people complained it was too few; this Olympic cycle they have changed things yet again and the only full Worlds will be this year, 2006. 2007 will be a full TF/AA/EF Worlds but will only be open to the top 16 teams from 2006 Worlds. It's confusing to say the very least! Personally I like the format they had last quad: full Worlds in 2001 and 2003; EF in 2002.

Thanks again for all your help and support here! I am very glad to work on these articles and chat with you. Your photo is very nice, BTW! Were those passport or ID photos? And I'm honored to be listed so nicely on your UserPage. Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 08:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Mmm! It was very interesting, thank you! :) BTW, I like your easy to understand descriptive style very much! I see the format of the Worlds to be very confusing too. The only consolation is that Olympics have a permanent format so far :(

These photos were ID ones, taken for a Pioneer palace, where I attended some sports sections :) somewhere between 1988 and 1991. Passport photos were taken only in the mid-1990s.

I like your UserPage very much too. For example, your language skills are amazing! I consider myself to be more or less fluent only in three ones (RU, EN and republican), my skills in two other ones - Spanish and Chinese - are very very basic and I have no any communication skills for them :)

Your help in all questions, which were "misty" to say the least to me is appreciated very much! I have no more so far. You are always welcomed very much to chat with me at any time or ask for any help! All other possibilities, like e-mail enabling here, AIM or ordinary e-mail are always available too for you on my part. I'm very proud of being listed on your UserPage, with such a nice comment to me! :) Cmapm 10:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Aw, thank you! I have only hopped online to do a few small edits tonight so I will answer this tomorrow or Monday. I notice you are working on the gymnastics articles tonight. Keep up the great work and I'll be in touch again soon! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 09:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Wah! Thank you for articles about Russian gymnasts, created recently by you! I'll use them as an example of the most important things, which should be mentioned first of all in such articles, in the future and include links to "What happened..." website into other articles. I am going to provide Russian names and do some minor fixes in a while. I've also found an animation of Omelianchik's element, but animations don't work here on the library's computer, I'll include the link, but check it tomorrow at home. Sorry, I'm offline today. Thank you for making great gymnasts of the past and present represented here in the way they deserve! Cmapm 13:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words! Thank you also for updating the articles with the gymnasts' full names and their Russian counterparts. It's most helpful, that's something I'd never be able to find on my own. It's good to have a great editor like you working with me to make these articles the best they can be.

I'm trying to update the classics...I was frankly a little stunned that Omelianchik and Filatova didn't have Wiki entries before now. Next up I'm going to try to add more to the Yurchenko article (gymnast, not vault :) and create pages for Ma Ynahong and Mostepanova.

Thanks for your ongoing help and support here! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 20:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I was always delighted with your edits and inspired by them and my help is nothing as compared to your contributions.

I would be happy to see more of your edits on gymnastics-related topics! BTW, I can provide Chinese names of athletes as well.Cmapm 07:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you again for all your help here! I am honored to be working with you. You're doing fantastic work with the footnotes, the tables, the photos...thanks for uploading a picture of Lydmilla T. at Wembely. That routine, where she calmly walks off the podium after the bars collapse, just exemplifies what an amazing person she is. Thank you also for providing the Chinese name translations. I'd never be able to do that myself.

Looking forward to talking and editing with you more! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 01:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I am happy to see you here again! :) I was weary for you to come! While I was waiting for you, I found some videos in the web, the one which I liked very much was about gymnastics at the 1980 Olympics, the music there is just fantastic in my opinion, and I took a nice photo of Maxi Gnauck from it. Thank you for the article about Ma Yanhong! I want to ask, would tables with major achievements be appropriate in articles about Maria Filatova and Oksana Omelianchik? It is very important for me, that you leave a note here, when you are away for some time, because I can't imagine staying here without you. Cmapm 22:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for such warm words concerning my edits! :) And by the way, I was serious in my previous note, especially in its last sentence. Also thank you for your opinion about tables, which was very important for me.

Your addition into the article about artistic gymnastics was great! And it was just in time, because a day or two ago I encountered the age-limit question, writing one of the articles :) The current situation is covered excellently in my opinion, and I think, that more controversies are OK, when they are related directly to the subject, i.e. artistic gymnastics, are based on reliable sources and cover the situation from both sides of the dispute or in some other neutral way. If the section becomes too long, it may easily be made into a separate article. I think, that historical change of age limits, if it could be found, should also be added. But so far I have no idea, in which form - whether should it be added into the section, where historical change of the average age is described, or into some other section. I am going to look at some examples of articles about sports from the featured article "collection" to have a hint, how the article about artistic gymnastics could be improved :)

Actually, I'm looking for any gymnastics videos from the period 1952-1991, mostly for WAG ones, because my native country's achievements in MAG were not as great. And after your words I'll be looking for Alternate Games most intensively :) So far I have no idea, where I could get them from.

I hope to see your excellent edits again! Cmapm 14:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for such kind words and for doing such excellent work with the tables, edits, etc.!

I agree, something about the historical age limits should be added to the AG article. We have a little about it in WAG, but it would be nice to have something more substantial. Joan Ryan has some stats in her book, but they're specific to USA Gymnastics so they're not much help overall.

Thanks also for your suggestions on the controversial issues! I am going to take some time to think about this, how to phrase everything. I'mn trying to do that with the Octavian Belu article too--I have not touched it yet, but it would be nice to give a more balanced view of the controversy surrounding him.

Oh, and about the videos--I'm looking for vintage videos myself! I've seen a few of Latynina's and Caslavska's routines, but I'd love to see more from the late 50s and early 60s. If I can figure out how to use Yousendit, I can try to pass on some of the Olomouc vids if you like.

I am going to be away from Wiki for most of the weekend, so let's try to work on this early next week? Have a great weekend! Namaste, 01:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the great articles, just created/edited by you and for your nice thoughts on questions, asked by me on Talk Pages! I have an idea to search for age limits in the IOC publications, like Olympic Review or Olympic Reports, which are all available online. I hope, that at least for Olympics such information could be found.

If you upload such videos somewhere, it would be so great!!! If not, well, then I'll have yet another opportunity to improve my googling/emuling/etc. skills :) BTW, are you acquainted with the Emule/Edonkey network? Some files, which are unavailable in the rest of the web, can sometimes be found there... If I find some vids from 1950s-1960s, I'll certainly let you know.

Just a few minutes online today, I'll be editing more actively tomorrow. Never feel obliged to do any work here, I'm so happy just to see you!!! I hope, that you'll have a nice and pleasant weekend! Desiring to feel your presence and waiting for you always. Cmapm 16:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Back to work now, sort of. I have a memorial service/funeral to attend tomorrow and I'm running around, but I'm popping onto Wiki to edit as much as I can. I added an article about Natalia Kuchinskaya--amazing that she didn't have one already!! I *think* that the age limit was moved to 15 after the 1980 Olympics, but I could be mistaken here. That's when all the age falsifications start. It must have been tweaked a few times before that, though--I read that Karen Kelsall (Canada) had to be petitioned into the 1976 Games because she was born in December. I'll have to do more research here. I don't know about the edonkey network, no. I basically depend on what I can find floating around online. There used to be a wonderful site a few years ago that had all sorts of old videos (that's actually how I got to see Kuchinskaya!) but they're out of business now. I shall keep searching and let you know. Have a great Monday! It's always lovely to see you here. Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 21:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the article! It's great, that you are here again! Sorry for the late reply - I managed to miss your comment... :( I was online just for an hour or two yesterday, but will be online all the day through today (it's a late night here currently, Tuesday) - I hope to do the main searching work then (on age limits, AG, etc.).

I've just downloaded a few pieces (separate routines) from 1952-1968 (Gorokhovskaya, Keleti, Latynina, Caslavska, Zuchold, Brause, Kuchinskaya, Druzhinina) and was amazed by Astakhova's 1966 UB routine. Do you have them? So far I didn't find in emule/edonkey any gymnastics vids, which couldn't be found online (although there are some exclusive Soviet music videos), I'll tell, when I do find ones. Always desiring to see you again. Cmapm 01:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The only problem on the Hub for me is the "slots available" feature - I can't get some files due to it. But anyway it's great, I'm downloading some Olomouc vids from there currently :) If you ever need something (including files mentioned above), just ask - I'll search for them on the Hub and try to upload somewhere else for you, e.g. to the YSI.

I've recently read Wikipedia:User_page for the first time :) And discovered, that my one has many features, which are not permitted :) I'm going to adjust it now, but in any case, I hope to get back to gymnastics-related articles today. The week is fine, particularly due to the Sun, shining here (it's you). I desire it to be fine for you as well. Cmapm 07:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The only problem on the Hub for me is the "slots available" feature - I can't get some files due to it. But anyway it's great, I'm downloading some Olomouc vids from there currently :) If you ever need something (including files mentioned above), just ask - I'll search for them on the Hub and try to upload somewhere else for you, e.g. to the YSI.

I've recently read Wikipedia:User_page for the first time :) And discovered, that my one has many features, which are not permitted :) I'm going to adjust it now, but in any case, I hope to get back to gymnastics-related articles today. The week is fine, particularly due to the Sun, shining here (it's you). I desire it to be fine for you as well. Cmapm 07:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Young Pioneers

Thank you for the great article Young Pioneers of China! Some time ago I searched for the related information on Chinese websites, but I have very very basic knowledge of the language and wasn't able to find any. So, once again, many thanks. And let me ask you a question - is MP3 of the song available in the web? I would like to listen to it! Best regards. Cmapm 07:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. =) Regarding the song, I've added a link to an external WAV file [1]. I'll probably add the Romanization soon so that people can follow the words. -- ran (talk) 13:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. BTW, a nice melody and chorus. I like it! :) Cmapm 14:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Soviet partisans

You may be interested to check recent developments in this page. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 11:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia survey

Hi. I'm doing a survey of Wikipedia editors as part of a class research project. It's quick, anonymous, and the data will be made available to the Wikipedia community later this month. Would you like to take part? More info here. Thanks! Nonplus 00:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

olympics

Hi, I have updated Image:Olympic boycotts 1976 1980 1984.PNG and removed China (although Im still not sure it wasnt part of the boycott), and added mali, tunisia and swaziland for 76 as per that talk page comment. The map is more about the boycotts rather than participating countries, which is why there are now separate maps for participating countries for 76, 80 and 84. If you have any problems with them I can change them - since they are on commons, changing the one image there will change them for wikipedia and other languages -- Astrokey44|talk 16:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. I added a note on China into its description. I am going to reconsider its nomination for deletion by me. Thanks for your work!

BTW, when you know more information on boycotting countries, please, update the image. In my turn, if know more, I'll correct respective articles and drop a message to you. Cmapm 23:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

no problem, ok I will update it when we find any more information -- Astrokey44|talk 00:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Userpage changes

Surprisingly, it did not conform to some of the requirements, provided in the article Wikipedia:User page. Namely to these ones:

• Do not include non-free images
• Do not include personal statements that could be considered polemical, such as opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia
• Do not include opinion pieces not related to Wikipedia or other non-encyclopedic material

However, according to it, "good start is to add a little information about yourself, possibly including contact information (email, instant messaging, etc), a photograph, your real name, your location, information about your areas of expertise and interest, likes and dislikes, homepages, and so forth." So, I'm leaving a minimum of the personal information and things, directly related to the Wikipedia.

Critical objections and suggestions to its design are welcomed very much. Cmapm 08:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Confused?

Hi Cmapm, I had a look at your Userpage today, and I was a little confused by the statement there:

However, I feel, that I very strongly disappointed or even hurted her by something recently. Then, perhaps, I have no moral right to edit in Wiki any more.

You haven't disappointed or hurt me at all! I am sorry if there's been some sort of misunderstanding that would make you feel this way. If it's about the time I take to respond to messages--right now I have so many other projects that I usually only hop online for a little while. Please don't stop editing on Wiki. You're my favorite editor here, I'm glad to know you and I'm flattered that you think so highly of me. Don't go away! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 17:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Mademoiselle Sabina! Wow! Thank you for denying my concerns and for the great support! I'm back :) This was just a bad time, that caused me to think in a wrong way - I made very radical rewriting of my Userpage and thought, that this certainly affected you... All the more, that these changes did in fact worsen the page very much, although I was forced to make them.

As some sort of excuse for misunderstanding, I would like to share with you my most favourite memory from the childhood (sorry for the infantilism). When I was in the kindergarten, there was my first love - the daughter of our favourite teacher - a girl 4-5 years older than me. I knew, where she lives and every day shouted under her window: "Alia, will you go out?" (it's two words in Russian). And then she went out and played with me :) Now, when you are away from Wikipedia,I want to shout "would you go out?", I don't "require" you to "play with me" :) - just want to feel your presence here...

My status is now again the same, as was before. Please, edit here in the way and in the time you find to be appropriate and convenient, but, please, leave a note, when you plan to stop edits for more than a day :) Always happy to see you. Cmapm 22:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cmapm! I'm glad to see there's no misunderstanding on either side. I am touched you think so highly of me! It's not always possible for me to give notice when I need to leave here, because I often do so in a hurry, but if I am ever gone for an extended period of time I will do my best to get in touch somehow.

I hope you are doing well! I'm glad to see your comments here always. Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 03:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Mademoiselle Sabina!!! I am so delighted today!!! My waiting is rewarded with your comeback, and I am very happy!!! I am going to continue my contributions into Wikipedia, and be more attentive to them: I realized, that I made too many errors in my past edits. It's wonderful to see you here again!!! Cmapm 10:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture of olympic venue

I'm glad you like it!! I have recently been on holiday in Estonia and will upload some more Soviet Union related pics. Dave 07:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Multiple Olympic Gold Medalists

Thank you for the new category Multiple Olympic gold medalists! It's very helpful, because it will have much less people, than just "Olympic gold medalists" :) However, I have some doubts. The question, which worries me is: if somebody want to create categories "Multiple silver medalists" and "Multiple bronze medalists", will they look appropriate? What do you think? May be better idea would be to create categories like "Two-time Olympic champion", etc.? I am going to ask such question at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports Olympics. It's a good idea to have something like that, thanks! Cmapm 16:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought that this should only be for Gold Medalists. I have only inlcuded those who have three or more at the moment. I was thinking four was the minimum, but three is OK. There could be another category created for multiple olympic medallists, that would include those unlucky ones who got a whole lot of silvers and not enough golds. Wallie 16:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I think, that those having two may also be included (not necessarily by you, of course :)). Then I have another idea: would you oppose, if in the future I create subcategories of your category, like "Two-time Olympic Champions", "Three-time Olympic Champions" and thus make your category even less populated? Cmapm 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

No. Of course not. I am not the sort of person to oppose anyone. Wallie 16:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's excellent! :) Cmapm 16:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Music in biographies

Hi again! Recently I was very interested in searching for the floor exercise music, used by some gymnasts. Generally I didn't include this info into articles, created by me, only in rare cases. But now I think, to what an extent should it be appropriate to mention: for all events, mentioned in the article, if possible; only for the Worlds and Olys; only where the gold medal was won on the floor? Should this info be incorporated into the article or listed in the separate section "Floor exercise music", like it is in some of the existing articles? What do you think?

And if you want, we can discuss other means of our communication/notifications: AOL, e-mail, IRC, etc. Just ask!

I am always happy, when I see you here! Cmapm 05:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cmapm! Thanks for the kind words. :) In regards to the FX music...I think it belongs in the "Skills" section of the page and not a separate section. If there's a discrepany where it needs to be explained further (ie, the Henrietta Onodi article--I mentioned she performed to "Hungarian Rhapsody" because she actually had two different FX routines that season) or it's especially notable (like Silvia Mitova's "Blues for Klook" or Amy Chow's controversial "Dixie" music) then it could be included in the body of an article. Usually the gymnasts' FX routines are used for at least one season, so perhaps it would be better to list it as:

2002-2003: "Whatever the song title is" by Whoever the artist is

Have a great day! It's always nice to see you here. Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 20:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, I find it to be very nice and reasonable! I didn't search for music of gymnasts, other than Soviet so far, and I tried to introduce some info into the article about Oksana Chusovitina, which explicitly has the "Skills" section. Would you like to have a look there - whether I chose a good presentation form or not? I also tried to incorporate similar info into the article about Turishcheva - according to one of her bios, she was one of the first to perform two separate floor routines in an international meet, I think this deserves to be mentioned in the main body. Feel free to adjust that info in any way and express any critical objections!

I've downloaded Silvia Mitova's routine at 1991 Worlds. I am not a specialist, but I find her choreography there to be fantastic! Thank you very much for mentioning it!

I'll be able to make just a few, if any, edits on Saturday, but to be back online on Sunday. Have a great and pleasant weekend! You are so nice! Cmapm 23:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words again! :) I took a look at the Chusovitina article. I think the way you formatted the FX music there is perfect. I'll try to start incorporating this format into other articles where I can.

I also looked over the Tourischeva article. Great work! I had one critical suggestion about the article, though. I was wondering how you'd feel about nixing the mention of Olga Korbut from the line "Over the next six years Turishcheva, along with the great Olga Korbut, would become one of the stars of the Soviet team." I agree wholeheartedly that she was a big part of Soviet gymnastics in the 70s, but the article's about Lydmilla--and Olga's mentioned below already. Also, Korbut and Tourischeva were not always side by side on the Soviet team. Lydmilla won a lot of her medals, including her Worlds AA gold, before Olga was really on the scene. Olga was coming up while Lydmilla was winding up her career. What do you think? Have a great weekend! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 07:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for such a high appreciation of my work! :) I've also noticed the great work on the uniform and mat articles by you! It's really superb!

Sorry, I didn't notice that sentence in the article about Tourischeva until now. Already "the great Olga Korbut" is a POV, and the info is obviously inaccurate. I tried to reword this, although I'm not sure, whether Tourischeva was already the leader before 1970 or became the one in that year (at least after the Worlds). By the way, what do you think about that article's name? The variant "Lyudmila Turishcheva" doesn't seem to be the most popular in reliable sources. I was thinking of "Ludmila Tourischeva" or "Lyudmila Tourischeva", or maybe another one? What name would you suggest?

Thank you very much for all your help! When you need for a look from my point of view on any article, created/edited by you (on any topic), always feel free to say this! By the way, I've noticed very nice photos of theatres, uploaded by you not long ago. I can't say almost anything on these topics, but it would be easy and interesting for me to find satellite images of theatres :) Like I had found and included a link to such an image into the article Globe Theatre about a year ago (3rd external link there). Although this would distract me from the most award-winning sport of my native country for some time :) Would such links be appropriate there?

It's a great pleasure for me to see you and to talk with you. Cmapm 13:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! Hope you had a good weekend. Thank you for the supportive words with the other articles and photos I have been working on. :)

Thanks for looking over the Tourischeva article! :) Yes, I get the feeling that 1970 was the turning point for her. I think in 1968-69, the focus was really on Kuchinskaya, and it was only when Kuchinskaya left that Tourischeva started to really become a star. I agree, perhaps one of the other variations of her name would be better for her page. Most people wouldn't automatically look for the spelling as it is. The spelling that comes up on the NY Times and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame is "Ludmilla Tourischeva", that's my vote. :)

Thank you for the kind words, and yes, I will keep you in mind if I ever need a second pair of eyes to look over an article. :) The Satellite picture of the Globe is awesome...I don't think ones of the Broadway theatres would be needed though. From above they're just black rooftops, not at all interesting from the air, like the Globe. Thank you for the offer though! :)

Have a good Monday, Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 00:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the suggestion,concerning Tourischeva's name! BTW, in Olympic Revue and at the FIG's website the variant "Ludmilla Tourischeva" was also sometimes used. Hence, there were two votes for :)

Yes, it's reasonable! I've just located some of them, and I see, that from above those buildings are not too remarkable, it was even hard to distinguish them from the surrounding ones. Another argument against would be that they are located not too far from each other, and, say, five sat pictures each with five same theatres would not be appropriate.

Wow, I've noticed, that all sections on your UserPage begin with my favourite letter A, the first one in my real name :) My very best wishes to you! Always desiring to see you again Cmapm 02:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Whew, thanks for all the help in getting the Tourischeva (or is it Turischeva? ;) article in order. I had no idea some people would be so admantly opposed to the move, but I think your action of asking for consensus on the merge/move was an excellent move. We'll get it worked out. :)

Ah, so your name starts with an A? Alexei? Anton? Aiesha? OK, I'm pretty sure it's not that last one. :) Have a great night! Namaste, Mademoiselle Sabina 05:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I wasn't prepared for such a quick opposing response :) I had proposed a move of "Larisa Latynina" to "Larissa Latynina" and have been waiting for any objection almost a week already :)And here we had it on the next (or the same?) day, although the old variant was popular only in Wikipedia and its mirrors :) It would be nice to see that reply though IMHO, if sourced. I personally find "Tourischeva" to be more appropriate, mostly due to the IGHOF using it, but "Turischeva" would be OK too, IMHO. We'll see, whether the proposed move be accepted. But I'll not be surprised already to encounter "Turishcheva" again tomorrow or even today :)

No, my name is more difficult to pronounce for non-Russian-speaking people :) Further guesses ? :) This list of Russian names would be helpful to you :)

Nice work adding more info into articles about many gymnasts! It's great to see you! Have a great time! Cmapm 07:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Tourischeva's name

About Turischeva, please read what I wrote on her talk page. I changed the text at Grozny. That is where I saw this French transliteration. Please anwser on my talk page or at Grozny talk page. Ogromnoe spasibo! User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy

Thank you for your comment! I replied to you on her Talk Page. Cmapm 11:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming

Hehe, thanks! I remember you for the soviet songs! I still listen to the WFDY anthem, hehe, very good. Cheers! Afonso Silva 23:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Checking in

Hey Cmapm, just checking in to say hello. I hope all is going well with you. Thank you again for all your help with the gymnastics articles and all the support on Wiki!

I was stunned to read, on your user page, that there aren't many articles about gymnastics in the Russian Wiki! What a shame, since it's been such an important sport for so many years. :(

Have a great weekend! Namaste Mademoiselle Sabina 20:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)