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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello ThadeusOfNazereth,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello ThadeusOfNazereth,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello ThadeusOfNazereth,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome ThadeusOfNazereth! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:56, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Women in Red November 2024

Women in Red | November 2024, Vol 10, Issue 11, Nos 293, 294, 321, 322, 323 Online events: New: Asian women | Geofocus: Islands Q-Z | Women in engineering Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Annual Wikipedia Asian Month (WAM) is an online campaign designed to boost Asian content on Wikipedia each November. Unreferenced articles backlog drive. These Wikiproject clean-up lists offer a start to November's backlog drive, e.g. Women's History and Women writers Tip of the month: Looking for an image? Sometimes you can find openly licensed images at search.creativecommons.org/ Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 20:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome ThadeusOfNazereth! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2024 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

Cielquiparle (talk) 13:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Here's your shirt

On your election as a new admin! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey, we Signpost staffers reserve the right to declare our own news admins. Seriously though, congrats, and enjoy the T-shirt. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Co-signing! Glad to see you made it and I'm looking forward to bugging you to help next time I need someone with the tools to help! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Mazel tov! ProfGray (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC) ProfGray (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank y'all for your kind words! Hoping to get to work pretty soon :) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 12:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

New Admin Bâtonnets

I may not be able to offer you the baton, but I hope you can savour these bâtonnets as you study all the new admin buttons! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

And a baton for you!

	The new admin baton
	Because I got my mop several seconds before you got yours, it's my distinct privilege to pass this baton to you in continuation of the baton-passing tradition started by Tamzin. Congratulations! Please play around with and twirl it, but make sure to pass on a baton to the next admin once you're done. Sincerely, SilverLocust 💬 03:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Congrats on winning the adminship. Keep playing with all the shinny new buttons (carefully). Wikibear47 (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

"He who does not keep peace shall lose his hand."

	The axe of responsibility
	Shiny new tools might be used to mete out justice, mercy or a dose of reality. Let us commit to not losing our cool when using them. Our only armor is the entire community's trust. We wear it for each other, each new contributor, and each new generation to come. May you ever be the community's champion. BusterD (talk) 14:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Congrats! Andre🚐 22:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Remove link vs entry

Hey @ThadeusOfNazereth, first of all, congratulations on the successful RfA. I noticed Canadians one of your edits come up in my watchlist. After closing an AfD, you removed a link in the see also section of Ukrainian Canadians. This is a situation where you would have been better off to choose the option to remove the line entirely, as opposed to just unlink, because we certainly can't see also if the article has been deleted. Just something to keep in mind moving forward. Thanks for your work closing AfDs! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this explanation - I will definitely keep that in mind for next time! For clarity, if it's a mention in the body of an article or a mention in a stand-alone list, I could have done the unlinking process? And the XfD Helper tool will remove mentions in addition to unlinking them? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 18:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Mentions in body I typically just unlink (done by default when closing). If it's included in a standalone list you will be prompted about whether you want to unlink or remove the entry entirely. Some of those lists will list "everything", whereas some will only list items with a wikilink. I typically have to check the target to see what type of inclusion/list it is and then make the decision from the prompt that comes up. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Here's a good example. I just closed an AFD and the band was included at List of bands from Canada, which appears to be only bands that have articles, so I removed that entry when prompted, whereas I chose to unlink it from Asian Man Records, where there's a full list of current and former artists. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense, thanks. I will make sure to do that in the future :) ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 19:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Blake

BlakeHale9898 BlakeHale9898 (talk) 06:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 12:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Rossi

On 10 November 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dan Rossi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that hot-dog vendor Dan Rossi has slept inside his cart overnight to preserve his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dan Rossi. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Dan Rossi), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of Article: Israeli destruction of the Gaza Strip healthcare system

I just wanted to ask why this article was deleted? I understand that you say it was created by a banned user but it seems a bit extreme completely deleting a whole article when obviously other people would have also contributed. I also read this article previously and saw not significant issues with it. Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 09:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@ThadeusOfNazereth Also just a question who was the user who created the article? Kiwiz1338 (talk) 12:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I would like to obtain a copy of the deleted material, please.Selfstudier (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Reallygreatoaktree:, @Kiwiz1338:, Selfstudier - Other people did not "obviously" contribute to the article. The user was a blocked sock and wrote the entirety of the article's content. The only other edits on the article were grammar or reference fixes that did not amount to "substantial" editing under WP:BANREVERT. I believe the appropriate venue to request undeletion would be WP:Requests for undeletion, but I'm not as familiar with that process so it would be best to go there if you want the content or the article restored. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 12:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I have first asked another admin to see if I can obtain a copy. Who requested the deletion? Selfstudier (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

The requesting editor was Boksi. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 13:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

That user has requested deletion of six articles by the banned user, all of which have been contested. I cannot see that they requested the deletion of Israeli destruction of the Gaza Strip healthcare system, was it someone else? Selfstudier (talk) 13:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it was not. Deleted contributions can only be seen by administrators, but I can tell you that they are the user who requested deletion. The reason the other articles were not deleted was either because they were contested on the talk page or because there were substantial edits by other users, two things that were not true for Israeli destruction of the Gaza Strip healthcare system. If you'd like, I think I can just send you the deleted revision over email? Would you rather that over undeletion? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 14:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, would you, I want to see if the material is NPOV or instead whether any of it can simply be incorporated into Attacks on health facilities during the Israel–Hamas war. Thanks very much. Selfstudier (talk) 14:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Email sent. No opinion on neutrality but a quick glance made it seem like it did not really differ from Attacks on health facilities during the Israel–Hamas war, and may have actually contained less information than the Gaza section on that page. Hopefully you're able to salvage it with some rewrites! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 14:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Honestly I would have preferred edits to what appears to be speedy deletion of a whole 1000 words plus article. If the article were not deleted only significantly altered the changes could be seen and rolled back and also contested on the talk page. At this point I basically have to ask you or take your word for not only why the article was deleted but what caused its deletion and even what was written on that article. Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Like I made clear in my initial reply, you don't have to "take [my] word" - You are welcome to ask any other admin for confirmation or go to WP:Requests for undeletion. I'm not sure how else I can state that the deletion was in process. You do not have email enabled so I cannot share the deleted revision with you but you are welcome to reach out to Selfstudier if you'd like to work with them on restoring the article. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 09:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible for me to also see the deleted revision. I do remember viewing this before but not enough to see if there is anything that can be salvaged. Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah well this is mostly my assumption as I am unable to check if what you are saying is correct or know at all which people edited this article since it is well... deleted. Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Stub templates

Over at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10#Template:Football-stub, template stubs are nominated at CFD; Not TFD. It states so on the main CFD page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's embarrassing - Not sure how I missed that as I even remember searching "template" on the main page before closing. I do not trust myself to try to reverse the close for a soft delete given the number of pages/subpages involved (and I'm not sure I can policy-wise, anyway), but please feel free to take me to WP:DRV for a trouting. It would likely have been a soft delete had I not closed. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 03:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:Italian-American Anarchists

The consensus may have been that the category be kept. But there was not a consensus on the name of the kept category. The norm is definitely not capitalized A for Anarchists. Can you please reopen this to get consensus on the name. This now can't be speedy renamed based on the parents. ^SMason_Garrison 03:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I read consensus for the category to be kept and consensus that "Italian-American" was more encompassing terminology than your proposed phrasing. The capitalization issue was not actually explicitly raised at any point in the conversation but it also doesn't require reopening the discussion as it's purely bringing the name in line with Wikipedia:Category names. The speedy rename policy would explicitly allow that under WP:C2A because the capitalization issue is unambiguous and it wasn't the focus of the previous discussion. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 03:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Did I really need to explicitly state that the capitalization needed to be addressed? I proposed the rename and intentionally did not capitalize the "A" and pointed out the naming convention. "Italian-American" and other categories like it have consistently been renamed to Americans of FOOian descent. I think you should have relisted on that point. ^SMason_Garrison 04:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle did you have thoughts on keeping the more narrow category Italian-American name? If you're fine with it, then I'll just speedy rename to fix the capitalization, and drop this. ^SMason_Garrison 04:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not think it's good form for me to read a renaming issue into the close that wasn't addressed by the consensus, no. You did reply with that, but your reply didn't actually engage with the keep voter's rationale for not following the norm in this specific case, which was to point out that the category contains both American citizens and residents - That confuses the normal naming convention. I'll ping the other participants in the discussion here so nobody is out of the loop: Baetalicma, Namiba, The Bushranger. I'll probably be AWOL for a day or two with work travel so if the discussion takes a turn and I don't reply any uninvolved admin can reopen if there's consensus! ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 04:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough via drawing the inference about the capitalization. But all of this conversation here indicates that a consensus wasn't reached on the name. Pinging them is fine. But I'd rather have this conversation back at the CFD instead of on a talk page. I don't see why we need consensus that there wasn't a consensus in order to reopen the discussion that I think should have just been relisted. ^SMason_Garrison 04:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the norm, that's my mistake. I capitalized each word because it was a title. But I also think Americans of Italian descent is not the same as Italian-Americans more broadly. Baetalicma (talk) 04:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The thing is that the Americans of Italian descent is supposed to be more broad. I agree that they're not the same in general, but the norm for categories is that it is a broader category that includes both Italian immigrants to the United States, and Americans who are descended from Italian people. The narrower category would by definition exclude any non-immigrants. ^SMason_Garrison 04:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Smasongarrison: I suppose the category can be renominated at WP:CFDS with a link to this additional discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  My plan was to do that if the closer refused to reopen the cfd for another round of discussion to get consensus on the name. ^SMason_Garrison 22:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  I won't be reopening the CFD, sorry - I saw consensus to keep under the same name. Like I said, CFDS is a perfectly acceptable venue for modifying the capitalization. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 23:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  That's your prerogative, but I'd encourage you to ping contributors and be more generous with relisting rather than closing so quickly in the future. Given that there's still discussion happening about the name seems to me that it wasn't an actual consensus on the name. ^SMason_Garrison 05:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)