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May 27

Photo gallery

Whilst looking at an article on Orb-weaver spiders, I noticed a comment had been made that the pictures looked like a photo gallery and this was not acceptable. What I'm trying to understand is why this is not acceptable. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeflea (talk • contribs) 00:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Try opening this page on Wikipedia's policy for this. It states that each must be important to the article's meaning and be used as such - that collections of pics can't be used on Wikipedia - it's an encyclopedia. Hope that helps!
~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 00:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Avoiding Wrongful Association With Disruptive IP (Via CheckUser)

Hello, I was wondering if there is a way that I can notify Wikipedia that I do sometimes edit from one other computer (besides the two at my house) and (since it is extremely disruptive and vandalizes a lot, i'm sure), that I have no association with it? I read about a way to do this a week or so ago, but I don't remember what it was. Thanks in advance.
~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 01:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

No one is going to checkuser your account if you don't do anything wrong with it. Checkuser's aren't stupid, they don't randomly block every user on a particular IP just because someone vandalizes from it. You have nothing to fear. --Jayron32 02:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, good to know! ~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 02:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Help

I have a hp pavilion dv5-1170ei and it had problems with the audio and the quick launch buttons after upgrading to Win 7. I decided to update the bios because that was the only thing that i had not updated. Now the computer is frozen with the BIOS update still running. I once had the same problem with a dv5-1199ei and it worked fine after upgrading the BIOS. By the way i upgraded from Vista Home premium to Win 7 Ultimate.

I don't know what to do. -129.78.64.100 (talk) 03:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Purpose of Category Modification

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

An IP user has made a whole line of edits that i don't understand the point of: It appears that he is modifying certain categories, but it doesn't seem to have any effect or purpose. I've not seen anyone else do it, but i don't know a lot about categories, so: Is there some reason for doing this that i haven't come across in my simplistic understanding of how WP works? Cheers, Lindsay^Hi 03:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

What he/she is doing is piping the article categorization to the location of the peerage, and thus forcing the page to appear in the category alphabetically by that location. For example, if you look at Category:Dukes in the Peerage of England, under the listing for "C", you'll see listed: Lionel of Antwerp, 1st Duke of Clarence This is categorizing under C because the IP piped the link for the category, here, to "Clarence". If the category was not piped in this way, it would categorizes by the first letter of the article title ("L"). The edits make sense. Now, if you look at the talk page of the category, you'll see a note suggesting exactly this, that the categorization should be alphabetized by the Dukedom rather than last name. I don't know if there has been vast discussion on that categorization alphabetization scheme, but rest assured this is not vandalism.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

...and now we both know why i stay away from categories and other things i don't understand!

Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit. Cheers, Lindsay^Hi 04:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Help With

Anyone know:

1. Rish/Safely of Magnesium carbonate
2. Number RTECS of Magnesium carbonate
3. Structure and properties of Magnesium carbonate

• Please contact at the following address:--I love chemistry (talk) 04:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Most of those questions can be answered by reading the article linked in your question. There is also a link to the MSDS for the compound, which contains safety info. --Jayron32 04:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully that article will help you; in the future, please ask reference-related questions at the Reference desk. They specialize in answering questions about general reference topics; this page is specifically for questions related to Wikipedia itself. Specifically, the Science section of the Reference desk will be able to help with any Chemistry-related questions you may have in the future. Of course, feel free to ask any questions about editing or Wikipedia policy here. Happy editing, Robert Skyhawk ^{(T C B)} 02:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Piped Character

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 –  – ukexpat (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

What is the substitute for "|" in signatures? I forgot and like twenty of my welcome templates have been messed up. ~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 05:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It's | as far as I know. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 06:02, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

On the "My Preferences" page it says "Also, if you are going to use a displayed pipe ("|") character (i.e. not part of a piped link), please use | for the pipe character; it can otherwise cause templates to fail." -- John of Reading (talk) 06:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that. Except I failed at using it. Fixed now. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 06:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - Why didn't I see that before? ~QwerpQwertus |_Talk_| |_Contribs_| 22:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Why you ban us

don’t understand what are the difference, just enter a booking engine in your search box and of course you will get a list of a booking engines or software related to (WuBook, Hotel-In Booking engine etc.), so what is the problem or difference when we add our Phobs Booking engine or any other listing? We rely don’t understand why you always ban us from your site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.23.146 (talk) 07:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment: the articles are Internet booking engine and Online hotel reservations -- John of Reading (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for drawing attention to these two articles. Both were in a poor state, contrary to the Wikipedia policy Wikipedia is not a directory, and both have now been cleaned up. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

There are various rules and policies in pace to help maintain the quality of the articles and content on here. Badly written articles will not be accepted and are likely to be just deleted. Chevymontecarlo 12:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Searching with Vector skin

Hi, when searching with the Vector skin, how do you actually search? For example, if I want to search for the word "Magic", and type it in the box, but it just redirects to the page "Magic" instead of showing a list of results.. How do I get the list of results?? 75.72.27.74 (talk) 08:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Two ways. (1) Type "Magic" and then click the magnifying glass icon at the end of the search box. (2) Look at the pop-up list of pages that start with the word "magic". At the bottom is an extra entry labelled "containing... Magic" - a click there will do a search. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Method (1) goes directly to the Magic page. If you start a search with an empty search field or something not matching a page name then you get to a search box. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

So it does. My apologies. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Emailing the company to ask them to help update/expand their own page

I recently created the Chiappa Firearms article and the Chiappa Rhino article. Is it appropriate to email the company to ask them to flesh out their own articles and/or provide images, as long as the article doesn't end up reading like an advertisement? Faceless Enemy (talk) 10:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it's fine to email the company, but be careful what you encourage them to do.

I think it's safer to point them at the article's talk page, and ask them to comment there. You could also explain this by pointing them at Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations and the conflict of interest page. That way they'll know that creating an advertisement is not what we're about, and they'll know how to engage other editors so that "their" article is as correct as possible.

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 10:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

But before contacting the company, I strongly urge you to find some independent reliable sources for the company and its product and add them; otherwise the articles are likely to be deleted as non-notable. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Creating a new infobox

I wish to create a new template infobox for government services (as in template: infobox Government service) and I have tried many times but failed as I find the procedure difficult. Is there any way by which I can request some administrator or other Wikipedia contributor for providing assistance in creating this template infobox. If someone could just create the basic model, it would be very helpful as rest I can easily modify by looking and copying the pattern of the created template. Regards *Truth* (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested templates.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers! *Truth* (talk) 12:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Correction of information on our organization.

Our organization is mentionned in many articles in Wikipedia. However information about us isn't accurate anymore. Is it be possible to make these corrections ourselves or put a message somewhere for someone to check these pages and make these corrections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.27.244 (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

what is the organisation? --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The general answer is that your input is desired, but it is best if you post a note on the article Talk page, ideally with references so an uninvolved editor can confirm the information and make the changes. If you provide the name of the organization, we could illustrate with more specific suggestions.--SPhilbrickT 14:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Hidden text in the new design

In the new look of Wikipedia, how can I insert <!-- and --> to surround text so it gets hidden? I couldn't find a button to do that automatically with. Do I have to either type those codes manually or copy them from somewhere? Thanks. --Магьосник (talk) 13:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

You can choose "Wiki markup" in the box below Save page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Rfc/u listing

Hello, I need assistance in listing a new RfC/U here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:RFCUlist. The subject is Chelo61, I am having difficulting listing it since there is no real clear instruction on how to add it correctly other then "List it at the top". Thank you. Phearson (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Re-use of articles

Hi. Much of the text in TRAXX has been reused in a published article "The TRAXX family" in Continental Modeller (by same publisher as Railway Modeller) June 2010. Can someone point me in the direction of where I can find out what copying is acceptable and under what terms. Thank you.77.86.125.207 (talk) 14:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

You are looking for this I think: Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

ok thanks. They've included a link to the article - but no license - some of the content in the published article is not directly from wikipedia, other information is directly copied word for word. The wikipedia page is labeled as a 'source' in the article.

The magazine also carrys a copyright notice of it's own "..no part of this magazine may be reproduced ... "

No mention of any license - where can I report this violation if anywhere?77.86.125.207 (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

ok found it.

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Number of articles in subcategories

Previously, when I visited Category:Proposed deletion, I could see the number of articles in each subcategory of that category next to the subcategory. Now I'm not seeing that. Did something change to make either that category or all categories in general no longer show how many articles are in each subcategory? Is there a way to get it to start showing the number of articles in subcategories again by modifying my settings? Calathan (talk) 15:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

mw:Extension:CategoryTree was disabled today due to performance reasons. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#What's happened to "categorytree"? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

CategoryTree has been enabled again. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride_%28Ciara_song%29

I keep typing in a sentence and adding a reference for proof as to my statement. WHY DOES IT KEEP GETTING DELETED —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dtwmjb12 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The reference you're using is YouTube, which tends not to be regarded as a good source. I don't know if this is why you reverted in this case, however - I'm just guessing. Ideally, something from a newspaper's website or something similar would be used instead.

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 16:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The fact that it's a YouTube video is very likely to be the reason why your edit keeps getting reverted though. I would try and find a more reliable source using TFOWR's suggestions. Chevymontecarlo 19:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Decision on submitted article

I submitted an article for the main space on Monday and I still haven't seen a decision. The article is The International Organization for Biological Control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:The_International_Organization_for_BIological_Control. I submitted it previously, it was rejected and I made substantial changes and believe that I improved the article up to standards. PhyllisWeintraub (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

What decision are you looking for? The article is at International Organization for BIological Control. It has some problems but nothing that can't be sorted out judging by the quick look that I gave it. Dismas|^(talk) 17:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I moved it to International Organization for Biological Control to fix the typo. – ukexpat (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I must need a nap. I read that title three times trying to figure out why I had a red link. Dismas|^(talk) 18:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Does the subject of an article have the final say?

Hello If an article is edited from an anonymous IP address by someone purporting to be the subject of the article, should their contributions be taken seriously? For instance, if an edit is sourced by a newspaper but then amended from an IP address by the person concerned stating that the newspaper was in error, should their new edit stand? This has happened regularly at the article Bidisha, most recently today. Thanks for your help Alistair Stevenson (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

1. The subject has a gross conflict of interest, and seldom has much to say about what an article includes or excludes.

2. The IP may or may not be the subject; they could be the subject, or the subject's worst enemy, or my cat.

3. In any case, verifiability and reliable sourcing are our beacons in this matter; some anonymous account is not going to trump those. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

No the "subject" doesn't for the very reason that without evidence we have no way of verifying that the person claiming to be the subject actually is. See WP:BIOSELF for the recommended process. – ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps a lot Alistair Stevenson (talk) 18:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

In theory, the subject of an article is no way an absolute authority on what is allowed on the article, especially if it's a celebrity or other public figure. Of course intimate personal details can be removed on their request, but for example public statements can stay on Wikipedia even against the subject's wishes. JIP | Talk 18:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Transferring images to Commons?

It was suggested to me earlier that I upload images to Wikipedia Commons instead of the English Wikipedia. Now I have uploaded very many images to the the English Wikipedia, but none to Commons. Is there some sort of handy, simple-to-use procedure for transferring these images to Commons, or do I have to reupload them from my own hard drive?

And besides, if language-specific Wikipedias can freely use images from Commons with no special syntax required, why does language-specific Wikipedia image uploading even exist? Is it because of hysterical raisins? JIP | Talk 18:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

See WP:MTC. There are, however, images that do not meet Commons' licensing criteria, but which do meet en Wikpedia's non-free content policy (such as copyrighted logos), hence they are uploaded "locally". – ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec):There are some classes of images used on wikipedia (fair use within an article I think) that cannot be used on commons (no fair use rational).

about copying to commons - I believe there is a tag "this image is a candidate for copying to commons" Template:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons - you could add that to all your images (a bot might help if you have a list), and then perhaps oneday a bot will exist to do the copying across as well. There might be a better answer.77.86.125.207 (talk) 18:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See WP:MITC, and notes about my quest for efficiency in User:Teratornis/Notes#Move some images to Commons. The best method I have found so far for moving images to Commons remains unnecessarily awkward to some degree. The difficulty depends on how screwed up the image pages are on the source Wikipedia - there are seemingly an infinite number of ways for Wikipedia users to upload images that make them hard or impossible to move to Commons, and break the various tools that try to automate the move. As to why we have redundant upload destinations, there are several reasons, including:

• The various Wikipedias may allow more image licensing types, such as fair use.
• Commons came along after the English Wikipedia and several other major Wikipedias had been around for several years already. Forcing everybody to use Commons exclusively would have been seriously disruptive.
• Sometimes users on a Wikipedia purposely hide an image on Commons by uploading a different image with the same name to their local Wikipedia. You'd have to ask them why they do this.
• When there are several possible ways to do something, Wikipedia tends to allow all of them. See for example how we do not have one single citation format, and we allow both British and American spelling in articles. We let users choose their own skins, and monkey with their signatures. Etc. Forcing everyone to adhere to one procedure goes against ignoring all rules. We like freedom, even though it means complexity.

--Teratornis (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think license issues will be a problem. The only images that I have uploaded that still exist on the English Wikipedia are photographs taken by myself, which either portray public places or things like food dishes, or which have their subjects' approval for publishing. These images do not include images where the copyright belongs to someone other than me, such as film or computer game screenshots, or album covers. In fact, I use stricter rules for publishing photographs on Wikipedia than I do for showing them to my family or at my local camera club. I'm only concerned with the technical details:

1. I suppose I need an account at Commons?
2. Can I transfer images directly from the English Wikipedia to Commons or do I actually have to reupload them?
3. Can I get a list of every image I've ever uploaded to the English Wikipedia? JIP | Talk 19:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes you will need a Commons account but you can unify accounts using WP:SUL. There are tools for moving to Commons, see WP:MTC#Tools. – ukexpat (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

For a list of your contributions in the File namespace, go to your contributions, and change the option in the Namespace dropdown to "File", hit search. – ukexpat (talk) 19:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Everything looks OK so far, but I would still want to know (sorry if this has already been covered somewhere, but I'm just too dense to find it), seeing as I've uploaded the images to the English Wikipedia already, can I transfer them directly from there to Commons instead of actually reuploading them from my hard drive? It would help me in to ways: (1) I wouldn't need to search for the original file on my computer, and (2) it would be faster because of the greater bandwidth between Wikipedia servers than between them and my own computer. JIP | Talk 19:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

See my notes in User:Teratornis/Notes#Move some images to Commons. I documented how I followed all the steps in WP:MITC such as making a TUSC account so I could use CommonsHelper. See User:Teratornis/Notes#Improving the efficiency of using CommonsHelper which describes how I created a user subpage (User:Teratornis/Notes/CommonsHelper) to use as a template to partially pre-fill the CommonsHelper fields the way I like. Incidentally, I wish the usability people would stop fooling with the cosmetic appearance of Wikipedia, and instead give us something useful such as a completely simple and robust tool for moving images to Commons. All a user should have to do is click on an image and select "move to Commons" and everything should be automatic, with the software handling all the hitches and glitches and special cases of free license this and fair use that. --Teratornis (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

CommonsHelper handles the upload for you. In fact it is better to use CommonsHelper than to manually upload duplicate images to Commons, because CommonsHelper properly marks the new images and old images to indicate what just happened. When people do it by hand, they tend skip steps and we end up with duplicate images on Commons and the Wikipedias that someone else must then try to unscramble. --Teratornis (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I was going to reply "please just say 'yes you can' or 'no you can't'", but I see you have already replied with "yes you can". Now I have all necessary things set up: (1) Do I need an account at Commons? Yes, I do. (2) Can I transfer images directly to Commons? Yes, I can. (3) Do I have to worry about licenses? No, I don't, because I only have images on the English Wikipedia that I own the copyright to in the first place. (4) How can I get a list of all my images? Wikipedia has a tool for that. Now I simply have to find the time and motivation to do all this. JIP | Talk 20:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Let me know if you would like me to move a few of your image uploads for you, so you can see how I do it. Of course there are other ways besides the one I use. It also helps to know about the category structure on Commons, which is usually different than on the Wikipedias. Commons has a much more elaborate category structure for images than Wikipedia does, since categories on Wikipedia are mainly for categorizing articles. You can usually categorize images much better on Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'll first have to see how to go about uploading images to Commons in the first place. JIP | Talk 20:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Start with Commons:Commons:First steps and if you get stuck ask on Commons:Commons:Help desk. I also recommend Commons:Commons:Editor's index to Commons, for some odd reason. --Teratornis (talk) 20:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't add a title to the collapsable sections on my user page

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Please help! What am I doing wrong? The problem is here. Thank you! Chevymontecarlo 19:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I have added some info for you ..should get it now..Moxy (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I still struggle with the really simple stuff :( Chevymontecarlo 19:39, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

spam

I am receiving spam to my school's domain from soothe58@wikipedia.org . The subject is: 55% off. Famous Watches And the complete message is: "Make sure you dress the part with your new watch [possibly harmful link removed]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.182.110.5 (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

It might very well be that the spammer is faking his sender address. SMTP, in its basic form, allows for any arbitrary address as the sender address. I have received spam claiming to be sent from my own email address. I am fairly sure Wikipedia has nothing to do with this. JIP | Talk 21:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

As fas as I know, the wikipedia.org domain does not have the required facilities to be a legitimate e-mail provider. There is absolutely no way the e-mail has anything to do with Wikipedia. All official e-mail relating to Wikipedia goes through the Wikimedia Foundation (the organization that runs Wikipedia). Although you should not normally be getting any email from the Foundation, it would always come from an e-mail address at wikimedia.org or, for local chapters, an equivalent address in the local TLD -- wikimedia.ch, wikimedia.de or wikimedia.org.il. Xenon54 (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Report Abuse

Hello. Someone, most likely a disgruntled former employee, has been vandalizing our company's entry in Wikipedia. I understand that I am able to revert back to the previous version, but is there any way to stop this person from being able to edit this entry? Is there some way to report their IP address (they have no user name) and have them blocked? The article title is A.D.A.M., Inc. and as you can see from the history of the article they have added erroneous information several times. Thank you. Erica Ryan [e-mail address redacted] Ericarenzo (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Which IP address are you referring to? I looked at the page history of A.D.A.M., Inc. and didn't find any with more than 5 minutes before their first and last edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Phantom subcategory

In Category:Aviation films, it lists 5 of 6 subcategories. What's the 6th? I found the 6th under "U". Why does it do that, rather than display it at the beginning like the other 5? Is there a way to force it to show up at the beginning? (I'm thinking of adding another subcategory that starts with "W".) Clarityfiend (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Category pages without a sort key are sorted like other pages. The pages on the first category page of Category:Aviation films go to Fi, and so does the categories. Click "next 200" to see the next pages, and the next subcategories if there are any in that alphabetical interval. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The currently disabled CategoryTree (see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#What's happened to "categorytree"?) displays all subcategories together. It may be enabled again so don't start mass adding sort keys. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

CHAT

I think that you should add chat to wiki please... its no fun with out it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbirdie101 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately the powers that be have already decided that is not an option - see What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace_provider.2C_social_networking.2C_or_memorial_site Despite that many people seem to spend a lot of time talking to each other here, like now. Ironic isn't it.77.86.125.207 (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

77., I'm afraid you have overapplied the definition of "social networking". Answering questions on this page and having constructive discussions on article talk pages is not considered social networking. In fact, quite the opposite is true -- constructive interaction in this way is highly encouraged and recommended. In general, any discussion relating to Wikipedia in some form is okay. Discussions about other intelligent topics that may not necessarily have to do with Wikipedia are also usually allowed, with the stipulation that they are carried out at the appropriate location, such as a reference desk or village pump. "Social networking" is usually defined as using pages on Wikipedia for frivolity that has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia. As an example, social networking is using user talk pages -- intended to facilitate direct Wikipedia-related contact between users -- to chat about what movie you just watched, or how the local football team is doing, or that new chemistry teacher that you hate. Light banter merely wastes space in a serious project such as this. That's not to say, though, that humour is completely frowned upon. There are plenty of pages here, such as Assume bad faith or (now much more than) 1000 things not to write your article about that exist solely to give Wikipedians a good laugh. But there's a proper time and place. Xenon54 (talk) 01:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

You may be interested in Wikipedia's Internet relay chat channels, which allow discussion of the encyclopedia and numerous aspects of its maintenance. There is also at least off-topic channel on the freenode server that I know of. Click here for more info. Robert Skyhawk ^{(T C B)} 02:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Uploading a photograph

I want to upload a photograph to illustrate an article that I plan to write. But I don't know how to do it. Can someone please help me? Thank you. The Pebble Dare (talk) 23:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:UPI. PleaseStand ^(talk) 23:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

That was fast! Thank you, PleaseStand. :) The Pebble Dare (talk) 23:38, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Katrina Lynn Shoe & Bag Collection

Katrina Lynn Shoe & Bag Collection was started in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilbit30 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

If you're trying to start an article, see WP:Your first article. Dismas|^(talk) 00:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)