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May 18

wp processing error?

Just "Template:Cite web" is displayed for a properly formatted Template:Cite web reference instead of its title, see Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Is this being addressed? 204.38.4.80 (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The article is in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:11, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

It is only number 23 on Special:LongPages at ‎611,172 bytes. List of Gothic brick buildings is number one at 943,160 bytes. So how would it be that? 204.38.4.80 (talk) 00:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

1100+ templates (timeline) vs 400ish templates (gothic)

Consider splitting the timeline article.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Is that a guess at what is causing it then? Do you have backing info? 204.38.4.80 (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Not a guess. Here is the data for the timeline article (visit the timeline article, right click view page source, towards the bottom):

NewPP limit report
Parsed by mw1234
Cached time: 20180518000655
Cache expiry: 1900800
Dynamic content: false
CPU time usage: 7.924 seconds
Real time usage: 8.126 seconds
Preprocessor visited node count: 44797/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 0/1500000
Post‐expand include size: 2097152/2097152 bytes
Template argument size: 24693/2097152 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 15/40
Expensive parser function count: 7/500
Unstrip recursion depth: 1/20
Unstrip post‐expand size: 1459196/5000000 bytes
Lua time usage: 4.868/10.000 seconds
Lua memory usage: 5.54 MB/50 MB

Transclusion expansion time report (%,ms,calls,template)
100.00% 7337.226      1 -total
 53.82% 3948.584    838 Template:Cite_news
 15.31% 1123.157    244 Template:Cite_web
  1.07%   78.640     13 Template:Cite_tweet
  0.55%   40.223      3 Template:Citation_needed
  0.53%   38.824      1 Template:Donald_Trump_series
  0.49%   35.898      1 Template:Sidebar_person/US_President
  0.49%   35.716      3 Template:Fix
  0.46%   33.772      1 Template:Sidebar_person
  0.43%   31.838      1 Template:Use_mdy_dates

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Cool, thank you. 204.38.4.80 (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

And as mentioned, the article is in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. The category page explains the issue. It's a hidden category so you don't see it on the article but it's there. Registered users have an option to see hidden categories in normal page views. Other users can for example see them by clicking "Page information" [1] in the left pane. The problem was discussed but not fixed at Talk:Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Article size causing issues with templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Talk page / anonymous user reverted my edits

I removed an edit to the page of a living person (politician) that referenced an article that cannot satisfy Wikipedia Verifiability guidelines. This was reverted by what looks to me as an anonymous user. I'm trying to start a Talk page to further expound on my reasons for the removal, and open it up for discussion. I tried editing a page that has Talk:{page name}, but it's not appearing on the page. Can anyone point me to something that good description of how I should start a Talk page? Also, is multi-hex value user name a Wikipedia bot, or as I think it is, an anonymous user? Gbonline (talk) 01:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The discussion is now going on where it should, at Talk:Dave Min. The multi-hex value user name is a new-style IP address. Anonymous editors are as entitled as anybody else to edit here and to take part in discussions. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks OrangeMike! Gbonline (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

2018-19 NHL team articles

Why haven't you started the 2018-19 NHL team articles there is only one NHL team because the others were too soon you need to start making 2018-19 Buffalo Sabers season 2018-19 Dallas Stars and 2018-19 NY Rangers season. 169.55.19.145 (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Presumably because no-one from the appropriate project has got around to them yet. You could raise the matter at the project page or you could start them yourself... see WP:YFA, WP:WIZ and WP:AfC, or request an article at WP:RA. It has been mentioned to you previously that this page does not exist to demand edits be made. Eagleash (talk) 07:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

UBS#References: citation error

So I just checked the references for UBS and they're red for some reason. It says: "Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name ":4" defined multiple times with different content"... what does that mean? I tried to fix it but seem to be making it worse. Can someone take a look at/fix it? Whats happening to the references? LivinRealGüd (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The "help" link in the error message goes to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key, so you need to read that page. The problem is that you tried to name a new reference with <ref name=":4"> when an existing reference already had the name ":4". (The same applies to quite a number of your other reference names.) If you intend to use the new reference only once you don't need to give it a name, but if you want to use it more than once you need to give it a new unique name that has not already been used. For further help, see Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Sweet! Thank you!! LivinRealGüd (talk) 04:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

How to find a draft

Hi there!

I made a draft article on Tuesday and sent it for review ...

How do I find / access this article?

thanks!

JB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbyoung00 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jbyoung00: Click "Contributions" at the top right to see your edits. You created Draft:Pablo Navarro but have not submitted it for review. There is a button for that but note Wikipedia:Notability (music). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbyoung00 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Linking articles

• Volchok1 (talk · contribs)
  • Adjusted RevPAR (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

To whom it may concern. A new article has recently been created and approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_RevPAR. The name of the index is either Adjusted RevPAR or ARPAR or AdjRevPAR. I have a few questions:

1. How do I ensure that the readers can find this article using either of the 3 names in the search? 2. There is an article on Arpar that already exists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpar), which is a village in India. How do I edit it (or create another one that references both articles) to allow people to navigate to the ARPAR index article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjusted_RevPAR)?

Thank you in advance for your advice.

Volchok1 (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Volchok1 - firstly, with regard to search you don't need to do anything. If you search for ARPAR, the article you created and the one for the village in India are the top two results. Readers will have no problem finding either.

As for a note on Arpar to direct people to Adjusted_RevPAR, you could put an {{about}} template at the top of each, along the lines of {{About|the village|the performance metric|Adjusted_RevPAR}} (reverse the order for the other page). Richard⁰⁶¹² 18:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

create a page

I have a new account "Backupbass" I am trying to create a page for myself a professional musician. how do I do this? see example below

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Tutu Jones From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Tutu Jones Birth name John Jones Jr. Born September 9, 1966 (age 51) Dallas, Texas, United States Genres Electric blues, soul blues, country blues[1] Occupation(s) Guitarist, singer, songwriter Instruments Guitar, vocals, drums Years active 1970s–present Labels JSP, Rounder, Doc Blues, CD Baby Website http://www.tutujones.com/bio.html Tutu Jones (born September 9, 1966) is an American electric blues and soul blues guitarist, singer and songwriter.[1] He has cited Freddie King and Z. Z. Hill as influences on his playing style.[2] Since 1994, Jones has released five albums.[1] Contents 1 Life and career 2 Discography 3 See also 4 References 5 External links Life and career John Jones Jr. was born in Dallas, Texas, the son of a Dallas-based R&B guitarist, Johnny B. Jones. Through his father's work, he was introduced to house guests such as Freddie King, L. C. Clark, Ernie Johnson and Little Joe Blue. Jones began playing the guitar by the age of five, by which time he had acquired his nickname Tutu from his father.[3] He began his career in adolescence, as a drummer, graduating from backing his uncles Barefoot Miller and L. C. Clark (the latter in 1976)[2] to working with Z. Z. Hill and R. L. Burnside.[1][4] Meanwhile, working on his own guitar playing, by 1989 Jones had moved on to fronting his own bands.[3] This in led to the recording of his debut album, I'm For Real, on JSP Records in 1994.[1] It was nominated for a W. C. Handy Award.[2] Blues Texas Soul followed two years later, and Staying Power in 1998.[1][4] A live album, Tutu Jones Live, was issued in 2005 by Doc Blues Records. A journalist at the Austin Chronicle then stated, "bluesmen are traditionalists, but Jones learns how to mesh soulful wails with syrupy blues that are as sweaty live as they are in quiet studios."[5] His album Inside Out was released by CD Baby in 2009.[4] Discography Year Title Record label 1994 I'm For Real JSP 1996 Texas Blues Soul Rounder 1998 Staying Power Rounder 2005 Tutu Jones Live Doc Blues 2009 Inside Out CD Baby [1][4] See also List of country blues musicians List of electric blues musicians List of soul-blues musicians List of Texas blues musicians References Jason Ankeny. "Tutu Jones". Allmusic. Retrieved October 17, 2012. Bill Harriman. "Tutu Jones". Swaves.com. Retrieved October 17, 2012. Govenar, Alan (2008). Texas Blues: The Rise of Contemporary Sound (1st ed.). College Station, Texas: Texas A&M University Press. pp. 159/65. ISBN 978-1585446056. "Tutu Jones Biography". Tutujones.com. Retrieved October 17, 2012. "Tutu Jones". Docbluesrecords.com. Retrieved October 17, 2012. External links Official website Authority control MusicBrainz: 576fe335-5b05-4d24-8302-6063c96dfe5d Categories: 1966 birthsLiving peopleAmerican blues singersAmerican male singersAmerican blues guitaristsAmerican male guitaristsAmerican drummersElectric blues musiciansTexas blues musiciansSoul-blues musiciansCountry blues musiciansSongwriters from TexasMusicians from DallasGuitarists from Texas20th-century American drummers20th-century American guitarists Navigation menu Backupbass Alerts (0) Notices (0) TalkSandboxPreferencesBetaWatchlistContributionsLog outArticleTalkReadEdit sourceView historyWatchSearch Search Wikipedia Main page Contents Featured content Current events Random article Donate to Wikipedia Wikipedia store Interaction Help About Wikipedia Community portal Recent changes Contact page Tools What links here Related changes Upload file Special pages Permanent link Page information Wikidata item Cite this page Print/export Create a book Download as PDF Printable version Languages Français Edit links This page was last edited on 7 February 2018, at 06:46. Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Backupbass (talk • contribs) 21:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Backupbass. I'm afraid the simple answer is that you don't. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind. If several people who have no connection with you have chosen to write about you (not directly based on any material from you such as an interview of press release) and been published in a source with a reputation for editorial control, such as a major newspaper or a book from a reputable publisher, then there can be an article about you, based almost entirely on what these independent people have published about you. It will not be your article, it will not in any way be controlled by you, it should have little material in it originating from you, and you are strongly discouraged from writing or editing it directly (see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY). If there are such sources, you can request that somebody write an article about you at requested articles, but there is no guarantee that a volunteer will pick up you request. Please also see WP:NMUSICIAN. --ColinFine (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Born vs Origin

In "background Information" for a person, how is "Origin" different from "Born"? In my understanding of these words, they are the same. One's origin is where one originated. That means where one was born. How can a person originate in a different place from that of his birth? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Wikievil666 (talk • contribs) 22:10, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

• For example people of Indian origin born in the United States. I_0urclc5 22:30, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Wikievil666. Words often have more than one meaning (see Polysemy). The relevant meaning here is (from dictionary.com) "4. ancestry; parentage; extraction: (example) to be of Scottish origin." --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 19 May 2018 (UTC)