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March 28

what constitutes close association?

Is it unreasonable with regard to conflict of interest for me to add/edit sourced factual information (e.g. what features are located at the park/historical info) about a park when I occasionally volunteer there? I do not want to claim to represent the park(s), as I really don't, and I do not feel that my level of involvement is particularly different from an average community member who happens to like that place. How should I proceed? Ullpianissimo (talk) 00:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ullpianissimo: WP:COI is really about potential unconscious bias, so in the large grey area between clear COI (e.g., a paid editor) and clear disinterest, you must make a decision for yourself as to whether or not you are biased. If you stick to facts, cite sources, and make sure you are using encyclopedic wording, you will be OK. -Arch dude (talk) 03:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

DOIs greater than 10.49999 triggering a flag

Hello! I'm not totally sure where to direct this so I'm bringing it here. The usage of DOIs with prefixes greater than 10.49999 in CS1 and CS2 templates results in the templates being flagged with "Check |doi= value (help)." However, there do appear to be valid DOIs that now use prefixes of 10.50000 and greater (see, e.g., here) so I'm wondering how this automatic Check doi value flag (detailed here) can be adjusted for DOIs in 10.50000 range. Thanks! —Collin^{t c} 01:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

One would have to modify Module:Citation/CS1/Identifiers, which holds the check for DOI's. I am not an expert at Lua, but it seems like lines 547 to 556 identify the patterns which are considered "bad doi". Someone with more experience would need to modify them so that teh DOI is no longer flagged as invalid. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploads

wiki ... I joined you months ago with the intension of sharing a lot of my personal creative content. I studied for a masters degree in digital Design and rule number one is always put the user first - well wiki is a failure for me as I have persevered so long to try and share content; and here is me with a M.A. .... how can it possibly be accessible for everyone and inclusive ? Wiki, you are a head Messer !!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary Hodge (talk • contribs) 02:05, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

help

despite having a Masters Degree in digital designs where the first principle is based around the uers experience and usability, Wike - I cant even upload a photo ... what is wrong with me, do I need to be a professor to use you ? I thought Wiki was about being open for all ? I cant even work out where this is going to be posted or how to find it again , am I the cyber village idot ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gary Hodge (talk • contribs) 02:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Gary Hodge: There's more guidance at Uploading images, but what is your purpose in uploading images? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Gary Hodge: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web hosting site for sharing your creations (unless you are creating graphics to illustrate articles, I suppose). Please see WP:NOT.-Arch dude (talk) 03:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Gary. What barriers were you encountering? Is it that the Commons Upload Wizard itself is hard to use, that it's not clear which upload method to use, the licensing model, adding media from Commons to encyclopedia articles, or general UX and usability? I'd agree that the MediaWiki platform is nothing like Flickr when it comes to curating images.

(In relation to c:Commons:Help_desk#Photo Sharing license questions . AFAIK, Wikipedia and its sister projects have been BY-SA from the beginning. I imagine this was an ideological choice for promoting "free knowledge". But on the other hand I have read some essays / blog posts claiming there are practical and legal problems with non-commercial (NC-ND) licensing.)

I see you added photos for Marcus Miller and Tim Garland, was the link Tenryuu provided above a big help in getting to that point? It’s good to see that there are some photos you’re willing to release under a free license.

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (19:29 Sun 28, AEDT) 08:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Area J Elementary School (ARJES)

Area J Elementary School, also known as ARJES, is a school in the province of Cavite, IV-A - CALABARZON, in the municipality of General Mariano Alvarez. It was established on June 01, 1986.

The Principals are the following:

1 Mrs. Luzviminda T. Mordeno, Principal 1 (Deceased) 1986-1993 2 Mrs. Elenita V. Dinglasan, Principal 1 1993-1994 3 Dr. Angelina P. Ambion, Principal 2 1994-1997 4 Mrs. Adoracion R. Del Mundo, Principal 2 1997-1998 5 Dr. Emelita T. Macha June-Aug 1998 6 Ms. Anita L. Diaz, Principal 2 1998-2000 7 Mr. Solpicio V. Patawe, Principal 2 (Deceased) 2000-2012 8 Dr. Nancy Cristina A. De Leon, Principal 2 (Deceased) 2012-2014 9 Dr. Myrna S. Diaz, Principal 3 2015-2017 10 Dr. Cynthia C. Cadua, Principal 4 2017 to present

The original Grade Level section names are the following:

Grade I Rose Sampaguita Rosal Ilang-Ilang Daisy

Grade II Green White Red Blue Yellow

Grade III Durian Mango Atis Chico Guava Santol

Grade IV Eagle Dove Hawk Parrot Maya

Grade V Venus Jupiter Mars Earth Mercury

Grade VI Dinar Riyal Dollar Yen Peso Rupiah (added in SY2000) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clejanajr (talk • contribs) 07:33, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Is this related to a Wikipedia article, and if so, which one? What help do you want, Clejanajr? -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Good Day! I checked the other articles in Wikipedia and this article is related (as subcategory) to the following Categories: 1. Schools in Cavite - General Mariano Alvarez (GMA), Cavite 2. Elementary schools in the Philippines 3. Public schools in the Philippines

Help desk and Teahouse

Which are the differences between this help desk and the Teahouse Dr Salvus 10:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus The Teahouse is intended for new or inexperienced users; this Help Desk is intended for any user. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

That being said, nothing is stopping experienced users from asking at the Teahouse. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Or vice versa. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Withdrawal of DYK nominations

Maybe I'm too distracted but I can't find the procedures for withdrawing my candidacy for the DYK. Can you tell me where the procedures are? Dr Salvus 10:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Just write on it that you withdraw. (Yes, it seems from the number of your questions that you are too distracted. Choose an article or two, and improve them.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

noted, reworking

Contradictory guidance for short description writers

Greetings, I've recently begun writing short descriptions and have noticed an apparent contradiction between the guidance/policy at WP:SHORTDESC and the guidance provided on the Wikipedia android app. The linked policy states 'start with a capital letter, and avoid a final full stop' but the app tells the editor to start with a lower case letter unless the first word is a proper noun (to reproduce this, begin writing a article description on the app with a capital letter). This is a fairly minor issue of course, but it is creating inconsistency in short descriptions across the project. Personally I favour using a capital letter to begin, but in any case the guidance should be made consistent. I hope raising it here either shows me I am missing something or brings attention to the issue. Thanks! I would sign this, but can't find the tilde symbol on my phone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnmgKing (talk • contribs) 2021-03-28T13:37:58 (UTC)

@JohnmgKing: The short description suggestion on mobile edits Wikidata where short description starts with lowercase unless the first word is a proper name, instead of Wikipedia where short description starts with uppercase. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 13:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the explanation! JohnmgKing (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Original airing dates for television programmes

Hello

I added some original air dates to an article, but they were removed - this was because a series premiered in the UK four weeks before the USA. Why are only USA air dates shown in an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:1627:2D00:E42A:17B7:C803:92DC (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. This is the only edit from that IP address, so we can't tell which article you edited. My guess would be that you added dates without a source, but I don't know without seeing the article. I doubt if it is because of the UK dates vs US dates. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I think they're talking about this edit. Kleinpecan (talk) 01:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Template:SfnRef Issue

The Charlton (1798 EIC ship) article utilizes the template {{SfnRef|House of Commons|1830|p=977}} and that is incorrectly displayed in text as "..£27,985.CITEREFHouse_of_Commons1830". Referring to the template's page Template:SfnRef, I can see nothing wrong in the way the template is used in this article, and suspect that the template itself has an error. It is interesting that the first text in the template is CITEREF, which seems out of place. The Wikipedia community would appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable than I in the use of templates could check on this. Thank you. Truthanado (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you mean to write:

{{Sfn|House of Commons|1830|p=977}}

which makes a reference link like this

References

{{cite book|title=House of Commons|ref={{SfnRef|House of Commons|1830|p=977}}}}

• House of Commons.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

That would also work. I used {{Sfnp}} [1] which adds parentheses around the year, because the article already had one such reference. @Truthanado: {{SfnRef}} does not make a reference by itself. It is for use inside a reference like "The full footnote" at Template:SfnRef#Examples. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I didn't add the SfnRef. I was copy-editing the article for other things and noticed it. Thank you, User:PrimeHunter, for fixing it. Truthanado (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Linking to a section whose title is in brackets

I'm trying to do this on a talk page, but no link forms, because, I think, one of the words is in brackets. Could anyone please tell me if there's a way to do this?--Thylacine24 (talk) 16:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: See Help:Link#Disallowed_characters. This should Work:Patriarchs of Independent [Eastern] Orthodox Churches. Basically, you need to URLencode the special characters. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks. Sorry that I didn't notice that section on the Help:Link page.--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Can someone please publish this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chrystal_Copland

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purple velvet22 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Purple velvet22: You can submit the draft for review by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the markup. This will add a review notice to the top of the item. However, if you were to do so now it would quickly be declined. The draft contains no sourcing; biographical articles cannot be accepted without proper sourcing. Please also review the general notability guidelines and the more specific musical ones. Please also review the guide to article creation and the manual of style as well as WP:REFB for how to correctly add references. (this message was originally posted at 21:39 on 28 March 2021). Eagleash (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Purple velvet:, even if the matter of referencing can be fixed, this would need a lot more work. Here are the second and third sentences: Copland's Mother, changed Copland to 'Copeland' in 2001. Chrystal continues to go by Copland and does not ever go by 'Copeland'. Confusing, and not obviously necessary. Also, the photograph looks like studio work, and you say you're the photographer: are you really independent of Copland? -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)