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May 28

The flag of the United States of America, only 41 stars?

The flag that is shown when you mouse over the blue highlighted words UNITED STATES, UNITED STATES of AMERICA and sometimes AMERICA or AMERICAN, for the quick preview it shows a flag with only 41 stars. It should be a pattern of 5 rows of 6 stars across and 4 rows of 5 stars in between each row of 6 stars having 50 stars in total inside the dark blue rectangle. I think the flag is shifted to the left whereby the first nine of the fifty stars have been cut off. If you can shift it to the right, all the stars would show and no one could tell if some of the red and white stripes were shortened. It would be nice to get it corrected.

Thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:a3a0:4270:11d4:f5ba:59df:974e (talk • contribs) 28 May 2021 06:55 (UTC)

On what page does this occur? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q Chris (talk • contribs) 08:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Examples: article Alabama has a link to the United States. Similarly article British English has a link to the United Kingdom. In both cases, the flag image in the mouseover preview is centred and cropped, thus altering the flag. In the case of the UK, the flag retains all essential elements, though the proportions are spoiled; for the US this removes essential elements of the flag. The problem is also seen with Eritrea, where the preview clearly crops the tips of the triangular sections of the flag.--Verbarson (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Quick check: Go to List of aspect ratios of national flags, and compare the images with the mouseover on the country name.--Verbarson (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Images are automatically cropped by mw:Page Previews to fit a specific width-height ratio. We could only prevent it by letting the article use an image with another width-height ratio than the flag itself, e.g. including empty space above and below the flag. I oppose that. phab:T65162 is an old declined request to omit cropping. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Curiously, in the mw:Page Previews article there is a screenshot of the England article with the United Kingdom link showing the mouseover result - and the flag image is differently cropped (at the top, but not at the sides). The text is slightly wider (or the font slightly smaller) than the result I get.--Verbarson (talk) 11:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

In the context of page return

My Wikipedia page has been removed. A person named Akhtaruzzaman has removed it. I want it back. Link: https://bn.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%B9%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%B0%E0%A7%80_%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%AA:Mujib_Ali_Chowdhury — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.149.143.32 (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

This is the helpdesk for English Wikipedia. You would need to contact someone on bn (Bangala?) Wikipedia, I believe their helpdesk is at bn:উইকিপিডিয়া:সাহায্যকেন্দ্র. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

LiquidPiston article reads like marketing material

Sorry if this is the wrong space....

LiquidPiston

This is an engine in development but the article appears to make the same claims that the company makes in its marketing material.

The article could be dropped or modified to describe the corporation that is selling stock and making claims rather than describing an engine that has yet to be built as though it were already proven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.59.197.248 (talk) 09:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Please bring up concerns with an article's content on its talk page, Talk:LiquidPiston. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

In the History section - please place two dots over the letter "e" in the word Noel in the name Richard Noel Middleton. I have tried and cannot do this - Thanks 175.32.24.11 (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 13:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Suggested tasks

Hello, when I created my account on the French wiki my user page had an extra tab where I was offered a range of maintenance tasks (hopefully the link works for everyone). I think it's pretty cool but I can not find how to activate it here. Can someone please point me to the right panel? Superboilles (talk) 13:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Superboilles: That sounds French Wikipedia-specific. I know some editors here welcome new users with a welcome template on their talk page, but if you're looking for suggestions as to what you can do, you may want to take a look at User:SuggestBot/Requests. Otherwise, there's the task center. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Enable "Display newcomer homepage" at the bottom Special:Preferences if it isn't already enabled. Then click your username to go to User:Superboilles, and click the "Homepage" tab. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Amazing, thanks a lot! Superboilles (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts Deleted - What now?

Hey there--

I was tasked by my company to create a page for the company, not with any promotional material, just plain old facts. It was deleted as unambiguous advertising/promotion. Is there a way for me to edit what was done, for it to be even more bare bones, with even less frills, to get potentially approved? Or am I essentially blacklisted from creating this page because I have a conflict of interest and my proposed draft was already rejected/deleted?

Appreciate it!

--Stella — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.25.58.9 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

With a paid relationship, you'd have to declare it on your user page (you may use the template {{paid}}). Create an account that doesn't contravene Wikipedia's username policy. Do not use ad copy language or try to convince anyone of anything; that is not what Wikipedia is for, and in your case, I would stay far, far away from any primary sources as references and stick solely with what secondary sources that are reliable. If the article makes it to mainspace, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, and any changes you want to propose should be done in the form of edit requests on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Please bear in mind, Stella, that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If it happens that there are not sufficient independent sources to establish that your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - many thousands of companies do not - then you will need to tell you company that they have tasked you with an impossibility. --ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

my first article titled

Hi please can you let me know how I can chase the progress of my first article I submitted 4 months ago? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TidalJ (talk • contribs) 14:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@TidalJ: it does not appear to have been submitted yet. But before you do, there are some issues that will prevent it from being accepted. Please read Help:Your first article and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@TidalJ: commenting to trigger ping - last comment was accidentally unsigned. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Bias dillema

Hello. I am currently editing an article about Microcosm, a hypermedia system. The reference says that it was created to "answer problems" with other hypermedia systems. If I edit saying the objective was "to answer problems with hypermedia systems", would that be considered bias? Iofr (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Iofr. It depends on whether the reference is independent or not. If it is totally independent fo Microcosm, then the article can certainly say that XYZ said in publication ZYX that Microcosm "was created to answer problems with other hypermedia systems". On the other hand, if this wording is from Microcosm (whether from their own publications, or from an interview, or based on a press release) then it doesn't belong in any Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

About deleting You Don't Know Jack: The Irreverent Collection

I am considering deleting You Don't Know Jack: The Irreverent Collection because there is no compilations section in the You Don't Know Jack franchise article.

You can see the guidance on deleting or keeping a redirect at Wikipedia:Redirect#When_should_we_delete_a_redirect?. If you think it meets the criteria to be deleted, then follow the instructions there to nominate it for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion RudolfRed (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Is moving citations from the lede to the body Plagiarism?

I was thinking about this. Citations are discouraged in the lede, but if sources for the lede aren't cited, wouldn't that be plagiarism due to lack of attribution? Say someone moves a bunch of lede info into the body with citations and deletes lede citations. Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tyrone Madera: Plagiarism is copying or close paraphrasing of a source without attribution. In general, the lede is supposed to be a brief summary, so the lede will not usually contain a copy or close paraphrase, so the situation does not arise. If for some reason the lede has a copy or a close paraphrase. then the source must be attributed in the lede. An attribution is not just a citation. Either the copied text must be in quotation marks, immediately followd be a citation, or the citation say "text taken from ..." or "paraphrased from..." or similar. See WP:PLAGIARISM. Note that plagiarism is not copyright violation, and copyright violation is not plagiarism. If you copy something from the public domain without attribution, you commit plagiarism but you do not violate copyright. If you copy from a copyrighted work and you attribute the work, you commit a copyright violation but not plagiarism. both are prohibited on Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Arch dude, I thought that plagiarism was simply not stating where you got your information or ideas from, which is broader than a close paraphrase or direct quotations without attribution. For example, if I found out that kittens are fluffy from Book A, then if I mentioned the idea that kittens are fluffy, regardless of how close the sentence is to the original, in writing I would have to attribute Book A or it would be plagiarism. I guess Wikipedia doesn't view it that way? Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Please read Plagiarism. In general, using ideas, concepts, facts, etc. is not plagiarism. Using someone else's sentences without attribution is plagiarism. When you use concepts, facts, etc. in Wikipedia (or in academia), you must cite your source. When you use their words, you must attribute them. -Arch dude (talk) 00:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Right. I suppose I meant citation by attribution. But the MOS specifically discourages citations in the lede, so how do you reconcile this? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

The copyright laws of the US and some other countries grant fair use rights that allow reasonable quoting of copyrighted material. That does not negate wiki policies on identifying the source of the quotation. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 20:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

This discussion is about plagiarism, not copyright. Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Note also: Plagiarism is copying without attribution, but "academic plagiarism" is much more about implicitly claiming that those words are your own. Since the lede of a Wikipedia article is written in "Wikipedia voice", the editor is not claiming those words in the academic sense. If a student copied those same words into a term paper and did not attribute them, then that student is committing plagiarism in the academic sense. -Arch dude (talk) 00:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Arch dude, Ah, so if the lede is a summarization of the body but does not quote or paraphrase then it is free to lack citations (if the statements are non-controversial) and not risk being plagiarism because it cannot be "academic plagiarism" given it is in WP voice and according to the MOS' recommendations against refs in the lede. Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Is chat help available? Nothing in FAQ answers my questions. I don't know how to use this help procedure.

Is chat help available? Nothing in FAQ answers my questions. I don't know how to use this help procedure.2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

IP editor, you just type out a question, sign it and click publish changes, as you did above. Then people who watch the page will see your question and hopefully answer it.

There are some alternatives at the top of this page

• If you need real-time help, you can join our IRC help channel, Wikipedia:IRC/wikipedia-en-help.
• If you are a new editor, you might prefer to ask your question at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, an area specifically for new users to get help with editing, article creation and general Wikipedia use, in a friendly environment. TSventon (talk) 21:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

search for Gallery

How can I see the work of an artist...if there is no gallery tab in his page?2601:643:8880:160:9181:5380:4E4D:62BB (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Answering at IP's talk. —valereee (talk) 21:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Moving an article, when the new name already exists as a redirect

I want to move an article from "Killing of Mollie Tibbetts" ... to ... "Murder of Mollie Tibbetts". Wikipedia will not allow this. It says "name of such an article already exists". Please advise. Thanks Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: Murder of Mollie Tibbetts already redirects to Killing of Mollie Tibbetts. You might want to go to WP:RM to get help on switching this around. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

If this is uncontroversial, you could try Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. TSventon (talk) 21:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Done. If I didn't see this and take care of it, then the above-linked page is exactly the right place to ask for this (though {{db-move|1=page to be moved|2=reason}} can be used alternatively). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

How to create a page on Wikipedia?

Hi Guys,

I would like to know that how to create a page on Wikipedia for a Company? I am new here, So please guide me and I am sorry if my question is weird!

Thank You.

Hello, Kaptaanop. I'm afraid that the simple answer is: Don't. If you want to promote your company, use a website that allows promotion, which Wikipedia doesn't. (And "telling people about" is what we mean by promotion).

If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several people unconnected with it have chosen, off their own bat, to publish significant material about the company in reliable places - then we could have an article about your company. If we do, the article will not belong to you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to, and it will be based almost entirely on what those people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about your company, not on what you say or want to say. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

If, despite this, you choose to go ahead and try and create an article, then please be aware that writing an acceptable article is much harder than it looks, and usually means misery and frustration for inexperienced editors. If you have a conflict of interest - as you do - it is even harder, because it's hard to forget what you know and think about a subject you are connected with. You will also need to make a formal declaration as a paid editor.

Apart from the links I have already given you, you will want to begin with your first article.

This probably sounds unwelcoming. The truth is, that if you come here wanting to help us create the greatest encyclopaedia ever, you are very welcome. But if you come here solely to promote yourself or your interests, you are less welcome. --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

proposed rename

A user named VickiPeteIan has proposed a name change to one of my images. She does not have a user page on Commons. How do I find her? -- Jim Evans (talk) 23:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

You could leave a message at User talk:VickiPeteIan, Commons:User talk:VickiPeteIan or at the image file page. nagualdesign 00:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth I think she may be right. Youngia japonica has square tipped petals, as do the flowers in your photo. nagualdesign 00:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think she is right. I wanted to thank her and ask how I respond to a request to rename adding my agreement. -- Jim Evans (talk) 00:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jim Evans: just an FYI, I've carried out the move. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Jim Evans, User:VickiPeteIan only seems to have been active for half an hour on 25 May, so it may well not be possible to contact them. TSventon (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Kind of unfortunate, she seemed to know her stuff. And, thanks Elli -- Jim Evans (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)