Talk:7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel
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Video Showing Death
editNever expected to see someone die when clicking on a video here. Should that be there? Earwigwing (talk) 15:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTCENSORED and Wikipedia:Offensive material for some background on Wikipedia's policies for this kind of content. That doesn't answer your question, but it might help you understand how Wikipedia editors (are supposed to) treat this kind of content. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- The goriest content could be moved to a sub-article about a specific attack so people aren't drawn to it reading an overview of the events of the day. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a suitable alternative location for the two death videos I see on the page now. Vox Sciurorum (talk) 19:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think they add to, and for many they detract from, the information content of the article. NadVolum (talk) 21:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- The larger problem is that the sourcing of the videos are Reddit threads, which are not reliable sources, and their descriptions are not reliably sourced either. The caption of one says "Militants kill an Israeli Jew and an Israeli Arab in Sderot" while the filename is "Hamas terrorists execute a mother father in their car. A little girl and her baby brother in the backseats stayed in the car for hours and were later rescued." So which is it, and how is this sourced? FunkMonk (talk) 00:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, the caption was wrong and I fixed it. Alaexis¿question? 13:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 11 October 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October attacks – I have little opinion on this, but given how the last RM unfolded, a focused discussion on a shorter title needs to be held. The arguments in favor of this change are, primarily, that is more concise and common. I have chosen "7 October attacks" because it was the most commonly suggested version in the previous RM, but other variations are not off the table. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 20:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support proposal based on WP:COMMONNAME in media sources. Usually referred to as the 7 October attacks or some variation of that. Paul Vaurie (talk) 06:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Or some variation of that" disapproves the point you're making that there is a common name to change to. ~ Mathmo Talk 08:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose as no good reason to move has been supplied, thus the status quo must remain. No need for a very short article name (redirects exist), when the current name is short enough. Neither is there a universal name used by all for this terrorist attack on Israel. ~ Mathmo Talk 08:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is rarely a universal name for anything, and universality is not part of the decision procedure.
- The fact that, according to the API, the direct page views for the last 30 days are ~6224 whereas the page views including redirects for the last 30 days are ~328367 is probably a clue that there may be room for improvement. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- And 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel is, by far, the most popular for some reason (perhaps because of inter-page links, I don't know), making up about 87% of pageviews in the last 30 days. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's the most popular because that's where the article was until two days ago. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, was it only 2 days. I didn't notice. How come there's another requested move so soon? Or I suppose a better question is, what does "given how the last RM unfolded" mean specifically? Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was a run of editors that pressed for the rather uninformative short form title, such that the closer thought a new RM addressing just that was appropriate. Selfstudier (talk) 16:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see. The "I also find it necessary to hold another RM on the proposed shorter title, which I will begin shortly." was probably a clue too had I been paying attention. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was a run of editors that pressed for the rather uninformative short form title, such that the closer thought a new RM addressing just that was appropriate. Selfstudier (talk) 16:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, was it only 2 days. I didn't notice. How come there's another requested move so soon? Or I suppose a better question is, what does "given how the last RM unfolded" mean specifically? Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per @Mathmo's reasoning Daisytheduck quack quack 21:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support the proposed title per WP:CONCISION, this is the primary topic for attacks conducted on the seventh of October. Albeit not as used in reliable sources as much, I’d suggest others like 7 October attack on Israel or 7 October Hamas-led attack as well.
- 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Current title is sufficient and not overly long. This title lacks precision. Andre🚐 18:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree that the current title is a bit clunky, but the proposed new one is simply not precise enough. Remember, we have to title things for the long term and for international audiences. --Aquillion (talk) 01:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose October 7 attacks will probably be the most common name across other Wikipedia articles as link but as article titles go the current one is fine. Galamore (talk) 10:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think the current title is "clunky", however the primary concern is that the new title would obscure the nature of the incident. Hogo-2020 (talk) 08:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - The current name is descriptive and it disambiguates it from other attacks that occurred on the 7th October in the region. Also, it isn't too long. IJA (talk) 10:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't think "Hamas" should be in the title anyhow since there were a wide spectrum of Palestinian armed groups participating in the attacks. And it's pretty clear that there's only one major attack that happened on October 7. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- @ HadesTTW - It says "Hamad-led attack" because Hamas led the attack. The attack was organised and led by Hamas. All the commanders and leaders were from Hamas. To describe it as an "Hamas-led attack" is entirely factual and descriptive, and it also accounts for the fact that other groups were also involved in the attack. And other major attacks also occurred on the 7 October in the early 21st century such as the 2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid and the 2004 Sinai bombings. The current title disambiguates it from these other attacks that also occurred on the 7 October. IJA (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Casualties
editWhy are the casualties number for both sides in the infobox being shown primarily from Israeli sources? This is a clear example of bias. 196.200.133.150 (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Has Hamas published an estimate of their casualties during the attack? Alaexis¿question? 22:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The numbers in the box on the right do not match those inside the text. It appears the numbers in the box on the right are not updated with the latest updated by Israel which decreased the casualties to 1139 (as explained in the main text). AyubuZimbale (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 November 2024
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(Minor edit): add ONE of them Palestinian political violence, Palestinian violence or Palestinian terrorism into "partof=" 178.81.55.110 (talk) 09:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: Requesting user blocked. Bowler the Carmine | talk 17:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Why is “Motive” included in Gaza Genocide page but not on this page?
editCan anyone explain? My previous contribution was removed and I don't know why. 67.8.168.231 (talk) 14:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- The page is covered by WP:ARBECR restrictions. You are not an extended-confirmed editor. That means any content you add to this talk page that is not a straightforward change x to y edit request can be removed. For example, your question is not an edit request and can therefore be removed. Sean.hoyland (talk) 14:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)