Talk:Antarctic

Reference, merge, and/or rename?

Aside from the fact that this article is as yet unsourced (aside from a nondescript tourist link), I am unsure if a distinct article about the region is warranted; arguably, it's a POV fork, and the content can be dealt with, if not already, in the parent article. I mean: is there a referenced definition for the region? (Compare with Antarctic ecozone)? Europe and Asia can also be construed as regions, as can any geographical entity, but should we create region articles for them too?

As well, I wonder if this article is titled correctly: since the northern polar region is referred to as the Arctic, would it not make sense to name this article Antarctic or similar? The New Oxford Dictionary of English, after all, does define Antarctic (noun; 3rd sense, with 'the') as the south polar region. (Which somewhat flies in the face of my comments above!) Bosonic dressing (talk) 01:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I beg to disagree with the merger suggestion per relevant past discussion, see Сontinent or More than a Continent? . Apcbg (talk) 06:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Noted; per above. Having perused the discussion there previously, the main crutch there is that some other wikis have an article each for the continent and region ... which is not necessarily relevant. You have also cited what is (or is not) official in English, without having provided ANY citations to support your assertion. I don't see anything here yet that is not already, or cannot be, included in the main article; thus, this article still seems to be a sort of fork. Yet, Britannica's article for Antarctica entitles the topic 'Antarctic regions' within the body of the main article, which to me says that in the very least the article might benefit from a different title, like Antarctic or similar. Nonetheless, this article remains unsourced. Bosonic dressing (talk) 09:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Your renaming proposal seems to have some merit, indeed the USBGN Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) says in its entry for ‘Antarctica’ that:

“The term Antarctic has been applied to the southern polar regions of Earth, and Antarctica to the continent, by analogy with the term Arctic, applied to the northern polar regions.” GNIS: Antarctica.

Perhaps we could have some more editors commenting on the issue of established English usage of ‘Antarctic’ for the wider South Polar Region as opposed to ‘Antarctica’ for the continent itself. Apcbg (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. The GNIS reference does it for me, both in annulling my request for merging this article and in strengthening the case for perhaps renaming it.  :) 'Antarctic (region)' is another possibility, given the term's primary meaning as an adjective. Less duplication with the parent article and more references would be nice, which can be worked on. Bosonic dressing (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

In retrospect, I would propose boldly moving this article to Antarctic, and then building the article lead to cover its dual use as pertaining to the continent and the south polar region. Something like:

• Antarctic, as an adjective, is something which pertains to or is related to Antarctica. As a noun, the Antarctic refers to Earth's south polar region, comprising Antarctica and the ice shelves, waters and island territories in the Southern Ocean situated south of the Antarctic Convergence....

or similar. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I suppose we could try the Antarctic title. By the way, Arctic is an adjective too but the relevant article doesn't start with that. Perhaps it would be natural for the 'Antarctic' article's opening to mirror that of the 'Arctic' article, say:

• The Antarctic (/ænˈtɑrktɪk/) is the region around the Earth's South Pole, opposite the Arctic region around the North Pole. The Antarctic comprises the continent of Antarctica and the ice shelves, waters and island territories in the Southern Ocean situated south of the Antarctic Convergence.

etc. Apcbg (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. Apcbg (talk) 16:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought about this as well; I'm just very mildly concerned that someone will come along to indicate that the term is commonly an adjective and not just used to describe the region. However, this doesn't appear to have materialised at the northern end, so why worry!? So, thanks for the effort and the lead looks good! (I may tweak later, though.) Bosonic dressing (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why the name of the image is 'Nordkap' though it is claimed that the picture is taken in Antartic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.150.194 (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Probably because there is a 'Nordkapp' on the picture, namely the Norwegian cruise ship Nordkapp. Apcbg (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Hindi version

An IP has posted feedback requesting this article in Hindi. I don't know enough about Hindi to even recognise if it is one of the languages for which we have an interlanguage links (or even if there is a Hindi Wikipedai). Is there a Hindi reading/writing person who can resolve this issue? Mitch Ames (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

UK

The phonetic spelling of "Antarctic" in UK English has an "r" before a consonant. Actually, in most UK dialects, the "r" is dropped before a consonant. It is retained in the South West and Scotland, and then, different "r"'s are used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.175.160 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Temperature?

Where are the seasonal temperature numbers like in the Arctic article? Do you not know or are you unwilling to admit that Antarctic never gets above freezing, because it hurts tje AGW cause? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.147.135.123 (talk) 20:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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introductory paragraph - ambiguity

The statement "The region covers some 20% of the Southern Hemisphere, of which 5.5% (14 million km2) is the surface area of the Antarctic continent itself" is ambiguous. does it mean the area of the Antarctic continent is 5.5% of the Southern hemisphere or that it is 5.5% of the 20%? This needs clarification. 212.159.59.5 (talk) 10:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Of the Southern Hemisphere. Apcbg (talk) 17:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)