Talk:Astoria, Queens

Italian Deli

Haha, how much did Gary pay to be on this photo???

Scott Joplin

Should it not be mentioned that Scott Joplin is buried here, in St. Michael's Cemetery? That's what it says on the Scott Joplin page. Markmc93 (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ragtag Productions

Whoever keeps reverting the Ragtag Productions paragraph, please stop putting it back into the article until it's discussed. Seems like nothing more than shameless promotion of a non-notable group, and adds nothing to the article on Astoria! Please discuss first! Sigil7 (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. However, this was in the article before you and some anon user started removing it -- without discussion. So let me ask you: what is your basis for calling it "shameless promotion" (I have zero affiliation with Ragtag) and non-notable? You also in one of your edit summaries said it was a possible "bio violation."[1] Please clarify as to what you mean by that. Because that refers to the names mentioned and not the company. Ragtag has produced a fairly successful webisode series that has gotten national attention. Remove the names, fine but to remove the mention that a successful web series was filmed in Astoria is not necessary. Alcarillo (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about anon users and the like, but as long as I've had my eye on this article (about a year now), every week or so there is a vandalism of people inserting their own names, or names of local bands, or random acts of vandalism, inserting biographical info of non-notables (see Wikipedia's policy on this), which constantly have to be reverted.

Whether this reference to Ragtag was here for a while or not means nothing (I don't think it has been), as that doesn't make it anymore relevant to the article, just because it slipped under the radar.

As for a "successful web series"...judging by Google searches and Wikipedia's own article on this series, it's hardly of large local import or adds anything substantive to the article on "Astoria, Queens". This is something that can be debated here. But I originally deleted it when it appeared, as being of a piece with the usual vandalizing of this page with non-notable stuff, or "shameless promotion" of local bands of for-profit websites, which--if you had been keeping an eye on this page for long--has been a fairly regular battle.Sigil7 (talk) 20:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, I've been working to keep the promos off this article for a while now and I am well aware of the challenges to maintaining the article's quality. I had even removed an earlier reference to the "We Need Girlfriends" series back in Sep 07 because of notability (the article about the series had been deleted at the time). But clearly it's passed notability tests in that it's back, probably because of the recent attention from CBS and the producer of Sex and the City.

Moreover, it's been fairly well established that Astoria has been the location for film and television projects, going all the way back to the founding of cinema. It is part of the neighborhood's pop cultural heritage, and WNG represents the next generation contributing to that heritage. That their series wasn't produced as a major studio project is irrelevant -- the series was viewed by several times more people than who actually live in the neighborhood (something like 700,000, which is not insignificant). And I don't know where you're searching -- both the series and the company has had coverage in major media, including IMDB, Slate[2] and The Hollywood Reporter. To me that's more important than an external shot of a tv series or the name of a fictitious bar in a video game. Alcarillo (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

And the New York Times, too [3], which emphasizes that the company is not only from Astoria, but that the series was filmed there. That pretty much establishes "local import" for both the series AND the company. It's not every day that a local startup gets solicited by a major tv studio and garners coverage in national media. One could argue that this establishes notability of the three people behind Ragtag as well, but I think that remains to be seen. I'm afraid you're finding fault here where there is none. Alcarillo (talk)

Southern Border of Astoria

It says in the first paragraph that the southern border is Broadway. There is technically no official border between LIC and Astoria. In addition much of the article refers to many places inlcuding the Kauffman Astoria Studios and the Museum of the Moving Picture which would be located south of this border. In addition the post office for houses on 36th ave (Dutch Kills) is in Astoria not the branch in LIC. I suggest we remove "Broadway" as a reference to the south and just leave it at the ambiguous term "Long Island City".64.20.189.19 (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Possibly racist statement

"But in recent years, there have been a sizable population of Albanian, Bosnian, and Serbian populations, which create tension in the neighborhood."

Isn't this racist? I think it should be removed.

Agreed. Also, the article should sound less like a promotional vehicle if possible... MMZach 04:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Even if the tension is due to racism, it's not racist to state that tension exists. If it was, then you'd be racist for saying that phrase was racist ;) But that statement would have to have a reliable source to include it in the article. MrVibrating (talk) 02:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about patrick mgoohan

does anyone know WHERE in astoria patrick mcgoohan is from? 71.4.161.2 22:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Population of Greeks

The article states: "Astoria has traditionally been known as a predominantly Greek neighborhood, with the largest concentration of Greeks outside Greece, and one with a concentration of restaurants and bakeries." What does the statement mean by "concentration"? If it means population, I have heard that Melbourne has the greatest greek populaton outside Greece. I don't know what is correct, I'm just bringing this up. Aggelophoros 09:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I too have heard that. We definitely need verfication if we're to include it in the article. Alcarillo 14:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Tarpon Springs, FL, has the highest concentration of Greeks in the U.S. (Greeks/total pop), but of course the population is slightly smaller.97.97.170.6 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

This page claims that Astoria has the highest concentration of Greeks outside of Athens, which is clearly untrue. Thessaloniki, Greece is a city of over a million, while the entire Astoria/Long Island City district has only about 200,000 people. Sorry I can't get more specific. ==Links==

Astoria.org a commercial site, not "official"

–- astoria.org - As a resident of Astoria, NY I have tried to verify that astoria.org is indeed an official website of my neighborhood. The domain is not registered to any public official, nor does my local representative know about it. I'm changing the text so that it doesn't read "official website". User:mrminator 25 August 2006

I agree with Mrminator. I looked up astoria.org on several WHOIS searches and the registration is affiliated with wxn.net, which has lost arbitration for having registered a domain similiar to BMW [4], is affiliated with a car-buying site, and other commercial enterprises that clearly are not "official" Astoria anything. And to remind anonymous users who continue to make edits and revisions to this article without justification, you can be blocked from doing so. Alcarillo 13:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Again, some anonymous user tried to list astoria.org as an official site. It's been already established that whether Astoria has an "official site", it most certainly isn't astoria.org. Astoria.org is a commercial site, and unless someone can provide rationale while it deserves to be included in an encyclopedia article, it will be considered spam. See WP:Spam. Alcarillo 00:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It gets more interesting about astoria.org User_talk:74.64.24.216 continues to try to insert this website -- first as "official", now as "informational". However a quick cross-search of the content on astoria.org shows that it's little more than a business directory with verbatim information from other sources, including The New York Times posted on it. Which makes astoria.org a non-valuable source. Compare these pages:

• "Living in Astoria" taken verbatim from "If You're Thinking of Living In/Astoria; Accessible, Affordable and Highly Diverse", The New York Times
• "Astoria History" taken verbatim from "A Brief Trip Through the History of Astoria
• "Astoria Eating" taken nearly verbatim from Eating in Astoria, Queens: Restaurants, Cafes, Bakeries, and Markets"
• "Astoria Apartment Search" taken from a Word doc on the DeVry Institute website.

In conclusion, I will post a second spam warning to User_talk:74.64.24.216. Alcarillo 20:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Astorians.com inclusion

-- astorians.com - To the person who is threatening to remove the message board link from the listing I ask why. Here is the edit from user 06:57, 12 October 2006 71.255.69.246

• Astoria NY Message Board (modifying this external link will be permanently remove it from this system)

There is nothing I can see about the listing or link that deserves delisting. Please explain your rationale, if the listing is inappropriate please simply state your rationale. You have modified this article multiple times by either deleting or modifying this link and have not provided any reasons for doing so. --Mrminator 13:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see WP:EL. Astorians.org is a forum. MrVibrating (talk) 02:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Quality standards

This article could use some work since it reads mostly like it was a secondary school book report. I'm sure there are some Astorians here who know about the neighborhood's history and can write more lucidly about it. Maybe I'll post a notice on a local BBS. Alcarillo 15:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and there needs to be verifiable sources, particularly for statments like this:

In the early 1920s a large wave of Irish immigrants settled in Astoria, dominating the cultural landscape for many decades.

That's something I may remove altogether since it's a blanket statement without any documentation to back it up. Besides, even a cursory study of Astoria's history shows that even during the supposed timeframe, other ethnic groups, particularly the Italians and Greeks, also had a vibrant cultural presence (and still do). Alcarillo 15:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable Astorians

This issue comes up from time to time, specifically what constitutes "notable". Wikipedia has guidelines regarding this, so please refer to them before including someone. I make this comment in light of User:Irish4life91 adding this person without any justification or further explanation:

*Thomas Mitchell, famous philanthropist and community leader who lived in Astoria for a numbder of years before moving to Tampa. FL

It can't possibly be the person that wikilink goes to; I thought maybe it was this Thomas Mitchell, "Uncle Billy" from It's a Wonderful Life. But he's an actor not a "famous philanthropist." The Thomas Mitchell (disambiguation) page wasn't of much help, either so I removed the name from this article pending clarification from someone who knows what they're doing. Alcarillo 21:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Same user tried to reinstate another version of this line, with no explanation. It was removed and teh user given a basic vandalism warning. Alcarillo 03:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Education section

This hardly warrants an entire section as it's written. It should have a decent survey of Astoria schools and libraries, not just a couple of wikilinks. Alcarillo 02:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Italians

Why is nothing mentioned about the Italians? At one point, the Italians had a major effect on the neighborhood. Take a look at this article for reference. --Goodfellajohnny 09:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out and providing the link -- and I agree that the Italian community in the neighborhood is significant. Like most things on Wikipedia, this article is a work in progress -- as new information and sources are found, people will add to the article. In the meantime, you're welcome to edit the article accordingly. Alcarillo 22:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

ROVERGROVER.COM Inclusion

I would like to understand the reasoning behind delisting ROVERGROVER.COM. As a resident of Astoria, Queens, I find great value in this site for current and future residents of Astoria, Queens. Below is the response I received from Wikipedia after being delisted, "Links are generally reserved for sites that have significant content beyond the scope of an encyclopedia entry, and should be limited to only a few per article. These are usually official or academic sites; other categories such as forums and personal fan sites are discouraged." Three of the five links included under "Community Interest Sites" are forums (2) and one blog. Astorians.com is well respected in this community and many residents, including myself, use it regularly to find out information, news and events associated with Astoria, Queens. As point of reference to the response I received from Wikipedia, they "discourage forums and personal fan sites".

Our site, ROVERGROVER.COM, is designed for the community, as we showcase the diversity of Astoria by listing various businesses so users can find products and services. It is specifically designed for new residents, for those who are unfamiliar with Astoria. Our goal is to illustrate businesses by adding images, descriptions of their products and services, including directions and other pertinent information such as hours of operation and the historical significance of various businesses and landmarks that are located in Astoria, Queens. We have the advantage of speaking with the owners and operators directly, allowing us to obtain accurate information about the sanctity and the impact these entities have had on the community. We feel ROVERGROVER.COM provides a great deal of information that is valuable for anyone residing or seeking to reside in Astoria. No other site provides such an in depth glimpse into individual businesses and attractions.

In addition, we will be adding a free apartment listing service, which is geared towards residents and future residents of NYC.

Our objective is to showcase various neighborhoods located within the five boroughs. We launched our presence in Astoria, which covers more than 400 businesses in this area. We feel our site is very useful to Astorians, providing a window into many businesses. We are not a “blog, forum or personal fan site”. We merely want to showcase the neighborhood in a unique and original format. ROVERGROVER.COM lists many businesses in other neighborhoods, but our presence in Astoria is extensive, which is why it is perplexing to see our site removed from “Community Interest Sites”, which we clearly fall into the latter category. 74.72.93.146 02:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)ROVERGROVER.COM Team

Please access our website, www.rovergrover.com, specifically, [5] for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.93.146 (talk) 02:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Please don't reinstate the link to your site when you were already asked to take it up with an admin on your Talk Page. Your site is a business, right? Meaning you get money from business who have listings on it. Then putting links to it here is a form of promotion. That's why it's not appropriate. See Links to be avoided and WP policy on External link spamming —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcarillo (talk • contribs) 20:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The existence of a "community interest sites" section doesn't mean anything. All those sites were inappropriate. And they've all been removed. MrVibrating (talk) 02:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Why do you believe that term doesn't "mean anything" -- what would you suggest as a substitute heading? Also, I reinstated the Astoria Historical Society link as the content there is certainly germane to the article. I found it unnecessary to include a link to the wikipages business directory -- by strict interpretation of WP:EL, that doesn't pass muster either. Alcarillo (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion on deleted ROVERGROVER.COM page

I do not understand why ROVERGROVER.COM is continues to be deleted. Wikipedia offers the same service as ROVERGROVER.COM does. The other two community interest sites, Astoria-ditmars.com and Joey's Blog, are forums and blogs. ROVERGROVER.COM provides an in depth overview of hundreds of local businesses in the Astoria community. It appears there is a conflict of interest. We offer more information, as many as 24 images of various businesses, hours of operation, upcoming events, specific directions using an interactive map, and include other pertinent information about hundreds of businesses. Why is RG continuously being deleted from Wikipedia? THe only reasonable explanation that makes sense is other Astoria sites under "Community Interests" purposely do not want RG to be included on Wikipedia. RG provides the most in depth coverage of individual businesses operating businesses in Astoria. Wikipedia users are doing a disservice to current and new residents of Astoria by removing RG from Wikipedia.

Why is Astoria-Ditmars.com allowed on Wikipedia? They are providing a similar service without permission of the business owners. Without permission, they do not the right to post businesses on their website/blog. Can someone explain this? Considering, ROVERGROVER.COM, has been operating for nearly a year, while Astoria-Ditmars.com has been operating since July 07', they are given permission to include their site in Wikipedia. What is worse is that Astoria-Ditmars covers ONE street, where RG covers the entire neighborhood. This does make sense. Also, Wikipedia clearly says they 's frown on blogs and forums, which includes Joey Blog & Astoria-Ditmars.com? Can someone justify this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.250.131 (talk)

There are several reasons why rovergrover.com isn't suitable for wikipedia. I suggest you read the talk page on Astoria, Queens as this has been addressed several times, but you or someone else routinely ignore this information and continue to reinsert that link in the Astoria article. You need to also read the deletion log for rovergrover as well.

As for its suitability, Rovergrover is a business [6] that receives revenue from advertisers in exchange for a listing. That puts it in the category as a commercial link; it has nothing to do with permission from those businesses that are listed. Please see WP:Spam and WP:External links, specifically, Links to be Avoided. Alcarillo 19:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(moved from Talk:Rovergrover) Alcarillo 00:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The existence of other inappropriate links means that they should all be removed, not that more should be included. MrVibrating (talk) 02:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Nickname to 30th Avenue area

Hazeyville69 (talk · contribs) keeps asserting that the 30th Avenue area of the Astoria is popularly known as "The Heart of Astoria". That's a name applied ipso facto by business development interests and as such is a slogan. "Ditmars" and "Steinway" are popularly referred to as such because 1) it coincides with the major thoroughfare in those respective areas, and 2) it's actually shorthand for the name of the thoroughfares. Neither of these criteria are valid with regard to 30th Avenue

The question you need to ask yourself Hazeyville69, is whether people getting off the 30 Avenue stop call it "The Heart of Astoria Stop"; or if people ask where Athens Park is, whether they say "The Heart of Astoria". No, they don't. If anything, you still find people referring to 30th Avenue by its old Grand Avenue name. Never "The Heart of Astoria". Alcarillo (talk) 03:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

30th avenue

The fact that there are businesses on 30 avenue might contribute to it being called that but there are other reasons. It's the most popular spot because of the number of cafes, bars, clubs. You're ignoring that it is called that. And don't write me I won't win. Go play your Halo 3 online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazeyville69 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have research that supports your claim that it's the "most popular spot"? Is there a published poll from a reputable source that indicates that 30th Avenue is referred to by locals as "The Heart of Astoria"? And now that I'm on the subject, there isn't even verifiable proof that "Ditmars" and "Steinway" are nicknames, either, and that information should be removed. (See WP:OR if you care to understand anything that goes on here... judging by your remarks on my talk page, you have a lot to learn, including what an edit war is.) Alcarillo (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Obviously you didn't grow up here

Jesus you need polls now for the nicknames. I grew up here, ask someone who grew up here ok. I know your're most likely not from around here so go ask someone. Out of towners.. sigh. Manhattan was too expensive huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazeyville69 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• The rancor was never necessary, but I believe the source I've added should settle the "Heart of Astoria" banner issue on 30th Street. Alansohn (talk) 04:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

That it exists on banners has never been in dispute. That people actually call it that in day-to-day conversation is. For instance, you will never hear, "Where is Athens Cafe?" "Oh, it's on 'the Heart of Astoria'". Or, "it's a great apartment, just off the 'Heart of Astoria.'". Alcarillo (talk) 16:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Of course not, people aren't going to call it day to day "heart of astoria" but it is known, maybe some people living in Astoria don't know but people in astoria don't know a lot about the place they live in. Alansohn Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazeyville69 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral 30thavenue

I tried to be neutral the last time I wrote about 30th avenue. And you're the one who wrote that East of Steinway was considered seperate. What poll did you get that from?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazeyville69 (talk • contribs) 31 January 2008

Who is "you", and what passage are you talking about? There's nothing in the article that says "East of Steinway was considered seperate[sic]." Alcarillo (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

As a person who grew up in Astoria, to the "older generation" anything east of steinway street was kinda considered "the other side", it wasnt very popular, as it was just mostly residences.

The heart of astoria is just a new type of slogan that is used by the bid (business improvement district), and is not considered any type of "old neighborhood nickname".

The arabic part of steinway street runs from 28th Ave northbound to Astoria Blvd, and as predominantly taken significance in the last 10 years, as the old "ballpark sports bar" is now the large mosque on steinway street.

During the time of the indians (American), they called astoria "sunwick".

The first xerox copy was made in Astoria in the 1940's.

To the local residents certain areas are reffered to as steinway, ditmars, broadway.

The steinway mansion is a landmark, located on 41 street and 19th avenue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nativeastoria (talk • contribs) 03:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Steinway

I must assume it was you who write it since you've gone a campaign about 30th avenue, someone had written that East of steinway was a separate neighberhood. I took it out. Anyway it doesn't matter now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazeyville69 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

What matters is that you don't even know how to properly contribute to an article, or to discussion. Instead, you resort to spouting obscenities and tired cliches about your supposed New York cred, like some ignorant adolescent. It doesn't change the fact that you are unable or unwilling to understand how things work here. Alcarillo (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Greek Population

Researching, I noticed this article claims the largest number of Greeks outside of Greece, or somethgin along those lines, However, it is stated in an article about Tarpon Springs, FL, that it has the largest Greek Population in America. Actually, I'm not sure if either are correct... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limonns (talk • contribs) 00:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hipster "Invasion"

The same thing that is happening to Williamsburg, Brooklyn is happening in astoria but not at such a fast rate. "Hipsters" are moving in (subsequently increasing rents) to these ...nice condos and its displacing people who've been in this neighborhood for a long time. This should be included in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.255.139 (talk) 23:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

In early 2008 channel 5 (fox 5 news) did a 2 minute news story on "hipsters", where the reporter was standing on steinway street by 28th Ave and asked pedestrians what was a hipster and were they aware that they were in astoria. The most stupid news cast i've ever seen. The fact is that many people outside of new york that come to live in astoria are from outside nyc, and therefore anything "country like" might be regarded as a hipster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nativeastoria (talk • contribs) 03:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The fact is, is that "hipsters" have gentrified astoria. Its UNDENIABLE. Its very true that williamsburg has been gentrified by hipsters and the same went for astoria. Country like is the farthest thing from hipster possible. In actuallity hipsters think they are more "city" than "native" new yorkers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlushinQwnzNyc (talk • contribs) 03:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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Croatian community

Nothing mentioned about a large Croatian community in Astoria. Most of the Croats came in the begining of the 20th century and today the biggest Croatian community of NYC lives in Astoria. http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Croatian&find_loc=Astoria%2C+Queens%2C+NY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.137.32.141 (talk) 19:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Use of flags in infobox

In a pair of recent edits to this article, DanTD added flag icons to the infobox, followed by Magnolia677 who reverted the edit with the edit summary "Please seek consensus on talk page before adding flag icons, per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG." Looking at the text of MOS:INFOBOXFLAG, it would seem that flags are appropriate here based on the statement that "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes" and the fact that Astoria meets the definition of a human geographic article. I support the usage of the flags based on the benefit of the information that they convey to readers. Alansohn (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I did that to a few neighborhoods, but I tried to stick primarily with major ones. Mostly, though I just didn't see why some neighborhood articles had them and others didn't. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 23:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

A more thorough read of MOS:INFOBOXFLAG shows that it states: "where a single article covers both human and physical geographic subjects (e.g. Manhattan)...the consensus of editors at that article will determine whether flag use in the infobox is preferred or not". Harmless error. Consensus will be needed to add flags to the infobox. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

A more thorough read of the meaning of the words you have quoted shows that they aren't relevant here. The term "physical geography" covers places such as islands, where the borders of the settlement and that of some naturally occurring landmass are coextensive. With some subtleties, Manhattan might well be an example of that phenomenon, as the borough and island (mostly) overlap. But if you look at the article, Manhattan's settlement infobox *does* have flags. Astoria is **NOT** [emphasis mine] an example of "physical geography"; it is clearly a human geographic feature whose boundaries as they exist don't correspond to any naturally existing physical feature. I fail to see how the quotation I included that "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes" is not relevant here, nor can I understand why you think that this is a physical geographic feature. Am I missing something? Alansohn (talk) 02:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Deletion of information about new developments

I have reverted the removal of information about new developments in Astoria in this edit yesterday and this subsequent edit today. The user who deleted this information stated in their first edit summary that this content was both offensive and clearly written as propaganda by real estate companies. While I agree the wording needed to be changed, per our neutral point of view policy, I disagreed with the deletion. The presence of such large new developments on the Queens waterfront is worth mentioning in the overall history. I restored the information to give due weight to the discussion of new developments, and backed it up with reliable sources.

The information was removed again today with the edit summary "Redevelopment" as described is merely adding additional luxury units, something that is and has been happening constantly all over the city. It does not involve any marked change to the character of the neighborhood. This seems to imply that new developments are run-of-the-mill events. While the summary is technically correct, we do not delete a mention of something just because it's happening somewhere else. Consideration must be given as to whether it is notable enough for inclusion, and a 2,500+ unit mega-development on the waterfront is quite noteworthy. As per our neutral point of view policy, the fact that these units are mostly luxury units shouldn't have bearing on whether we're including it, and the fact that the rest of the neighborhood remains relatively unchanged doesn't mean that we should necessarily delete this, either. epicgenius (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The user in question removed the information again today without discussing on this page, with an edit summary claiming that It is evident a real estate PR firm is repeatedly editing this site. This information is not relevant as encyclopedic content, and is merely propaganda for developers of luxury buildings. I have reverted this again, as the user has not discussed the deletion of info, other than to claim that the paragraph is "propaganda" being added by a PR firm. epicgenius (talk) 18:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I am now using the talk page, while also re-deleting the piece. While developers initially had a "plan" to make such mega-developments, this ultimately did not pan out (as you can see, all of the links are before the project actually happened). The building that was actually built was a pedestrian 400-unit building, the likes of which are regularly seen all around new york and as such are generally unremarked upon on wiipedia. Many other developments, especially Astoria Houses and Ravenswood, both nycha developments, are substantially more meaningful in terms of size, scope, and population and also in terms of economic contribution to the larger Astoria community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.161.244 (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

OK, that is a good start. However, there are a few things that should be pointed out. It is untrue that a 400-unit development is a "pedestrian development [...] generally unremarked upon on Wikipedia". We have hundreds of articles about developments that are smaller than this. Additionally, we do not delete content just because other developments are "more meaningful" or larger, such as the NYCHA developments. In Wikipedia, we need to weigh different topics based on their own merits, and the fact that something is a luxury development doesn't necessarily mean it's less important than a NYCHA development.

I agree that we shouldn't give too much weight to smaller projects or to canceled projects. However, there are other developments such as the Kaufman Astoria Studios development that have a potential for large economic impact in the neighborhood, and we should neutrally weigh whether it's worth mentioning them, regardless of whether the information describes a low-income development or a luxury project. epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Cover photo when google

The cover photo when Astoria, Queens is googled, has a picture of the Astoria, Oregon. I’m not an editor at all, but maybe someone should change that photo if possible? 204.195.42.5 (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)