Talk:Canada at the 2012 Summer Olympics

Page protected

I've protected this page as a result of the edit warring going on over the last few days. If there is any previous consensus on Olympic-related articles pertaining to the same areas we're warring over now, if the links can be posted here that would be helpful. Otherwise, I encourage the use of this talk page to discuss the disputes and gain consensus. Thanks. Rjd0060 (talk) 08:29, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The edit warring seems to be mostly over the use of forced column widths, or at least the readdition of these along with other snall edits. There probably isn't a consensus to point to, its just common sense; this type of article tends to get very large and have very wide tables when all results are filled in so the preference has always been to take any steps we can to reduce this. Having initially misunderstood the reasons for removing the widths User:Raymarcbadz has taken the reasoning on board following discussion on their talk page and has continued doing a lot of hard work updating the 200+ articles for nations at the 2012 Olympics. Raymarcbadz also appears to have attempted to open a discussion without getting response from the IP user. With the rapidly changing nature of issues relating to the upcoming Games the quicker we can get this page unlocked the better - Basement12 (T.C) 23:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Additionally I can point to the WikiProject Olympics manual of style as a consensus for the removal of all the wheat background colouration - Basement12 (T.C) 23:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks both for pointing those pages out. If the IP continues to edit war, a block is probably justified at this point. I've unprotected the page. Happy editing. Rjd0060 (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 July 2012

Hello. May we have a question? Can you disable the edit protection for this page please? We are doing this for the sake of display problems, especially when you put results in the tables. We're doing what is right for this page. Sorry for bombarding your authority, but we are rightful that this page needs to be neat by adjusting proper table format, and by removing unnecessary spaces so that when the Olympics starts in a few weeks, the results of any sport event must be filled in. We are truthfully sorry for what we did about edit warring. We have spent days to filled out the page, and put all the athletes in the page for updates. We are also following the manual of style and the guidelines at WP: OLYMOSNAT. Thank you, and I hope you understand.

Raymarcbadz (talk) 15:14, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Rjd0060 (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Football

I noticed that United States at the 2012 Summer Olympics uses "Football (soccer)", I was wondering if that should be done here as well, since "football" in Canadian English isn't this sport known as "soccer" in Canadian English. Their justification was WP:ENGVAR/WP:TIES. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

We could, in Canada many people know that soccer and football are the same thing so it isn't as big of a priority as it is in the United States. JoshMartini007 (talk) 15:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Except they are not the same thing. The CFL is not the same as soccer. Toronto FC is football, but not the same football as the Argos. So knowing that soccer is also called "football" is not the same thing as knowing what kind of football you're talking about when you say football. And since the primary type of football known as football is Canada is not soccer, it is not the obvious meaning in Canadian English that is being used. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 04:21, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

This is kind of an interesting topic considering what we are doing with the date changes where we've gone with the global norm but ignored local conventions. But since most of the world uses the term football to describe the game North Americans no as soccer why are we not using the term football as the primary and official name with soccer in brackets. Since all of the media describe the game as football and the team itself describe the game as football as refed at link at The Star it would only make sense to me. Krazytea(talk) 23:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Athletics and Football

Suggest changing these sections to "Track and field (athletics)" and "Soccer (football)" similar to the United States at the 2012 Summer Olympics article. Canadians follow the US English in these cases. I think the CBC sports page is a pretty good example of this. [1] [2]. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 19:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It is not US English, it's Canadian English -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 04:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Quick query

Are some numbers meant to have a hyphen (or dash) before them in the weightlifting and wrestling? I'll remove these symbols later if there's no reason for them: Event -55 kg, for example. Tony (talk) 14:27, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The number -55 kg would mean under 55 kg's the same thing for wrestling would mean that it would be for the weight class under the signified weight. Krazytea(talk) 14:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

So would it be voiced "minus 55"? Tony (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Tony: they're all over the Olympics articles. I was wondering the same thing yesterday. The presentation looks quite awkward with the hyphen (or frankly, any character like it, positioned that way). These descriptions appear "official" (random example on london2012.com), so there's not much that can be done other than to use the more prominent minus sign (presumably?). Meanwhile, the articles about a given event don't include the mark in the title: Judo at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Women's 52 kg. Riggr Mortis (talk) 04:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Tony, it would be voiced "under 55kg". Krazytea(talk) 06:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Would it be better to use "U55kg" ? We have U18 and U20 championships... -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 12:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it is best to keep it the way it is and maybe it would be better to have that discussion with people who are more familiar and closer to the topic. I think the U18 and U20s works for age groups more so than it does in this case since what I observe as the norm is U18 and U23 for things like hockey and football. I would say either keep them the way they are or remove the - symbol entirely and again it would probably be best to talk to those closer to the issue to see if it is better one way or the other. For my part I would just keep it the way it is as I see it as very unobtrusive and a decent short hand definition of the categories. Krazytea(talk) 18:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Medals by sport

The medals by sport section should be sorted by Olympic standards of sorting such as Canada at the Olympics#Medals by sport or Canada at the 2010 Winter Olympics#Medalists. The sorting through medal tables goes by gold, silver, and bronze. Krazytea(talk) 03:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize that someone was making such a big deal of this, I thought it was just IPs reverting. I always thought the standard was to sort those tables alphabetically. Either way, why should it matter? Does it really matter if rowing goes at the top, or three rows below? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 11:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Per Krazytea it should be by medals. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 14:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

It is certainly not the end of the world Scorp but it is the way it has been done. Does it matter if Great Britain is ranked four rows beneath Australia? Maybe, maybe not, I don't see it as entirely arbitrary and as it has been told to me is that the medals by sport should be by Olympic medal ranking. Unless we reach consensus otherwise I think it is good to have a standard so we know exactly that it is not arbitrary. Krazytea(talk) 18:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Date format

Which is the date format for this article? MOS:DATEUNIFY says it should be consistent, and for Canada, dmy or mdy are equally good. But one of these should be chosen.

HandsomeFella (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

It should be mdy since that is the convention for North American dating even though I prefer dmy. Krazytea(talk) 20:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Most dates seem to be in the dmy format, and someone has added the use dmy dates template, so I'll go ahead and change to dmy consistently. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Generally speaking Canada does not have a standard and as much of the rest of the world uses the dmy template, Canada does however by convention use the American standard of MDY which is why it is primarily used. Generally speaking with others when hashing this debate out on others on Wikipedia I have found myself of the losing end of supporting DMY. Because generally media and all other users of the date format in Canada tend to by convention use the MDY format. Reference: Date format by country. Krazytea(talk) 01:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

For Wikipedia purposes, either format is allowable for Canadian subjects, as clearly established at WP:STRONGNAT. The Date format by country article actually demonstrates multiple formats in Canadian usage. The article can also be considered an extension of a UK-based topic to some extent. Thus, there is no need to switch to American standard in this case; there are no disadvantages in using the internationally prevalent DMY format. Dl2000 (talk) 02:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. Krazytea(talk) 04:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Aaron Brown

Aaron Brown is listed as competing in the Men's 100m, however I'm not seeing his results on wikipedia or the official Olympics website. Has he dropped out? Grande (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

He seems to be in 200m rather than 100m per COC and CBC. Dl2000 (talk) 16:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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