Talk:Chevrolet Volt

History section

This statement relating to the concept vehicle is incorrect:

"The Chevrolet Volt concept car debuted at the January 2007 North American International Auto Show, becoming the first-ever series plug-in hybrid concept car shown by a major car manufacturer."

it should read

"The Chevrolet Volt concept car debuted at the January 2007 North American International Auto Show, becoming the first-ever series plug-in hybrid concept car shown by a major American car manufacturer 7 years after the first ever series plug-in hybrid (the aXcessAustralia) concept was shown in Melbourne by Holden, a subsidiary of GM.""

CSIRO (the national lab that helped develop the car), Holden and the 102 domestic automotive suppliers who came together to build aXcessAustralia are all now facing a very uncertain future as every major automaker ceases production of cars in Australia. Kicking these organizations when they are down is really not a good look for Wikipedia.

As is not signing your irrelevant post WopOnTour (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

NZ sales failure

16 units were sold in its entire run in NZ https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/holden-volt-unplugged/ Greglocock (talk) 01:52, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Thx for the tip. Content restored and updated, feel free to ce. Cheers.--Mariordo (talk) 17:20, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

SOC window is incorrect. not 30%-80%, but 20%-85%

"limiting the state of charge (SOC) up to 80% of capacity and never depleting the battery below 30%." is incorrect for the 1st generation Volt. The systems definitely allow the traction battery State Of Charge to go down to around 20% (335V) before the generator turns on. The absolute bottom is 16% before propulsion shuts down. The top is slightly higher than 80% (385V). I don't know how the sources got it wrong, but they have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.254.87 (talk) 00:41, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

GM materials indicate the fully charged state of the Gen1 pack was to represent 85% SOC and after charge depletion mode (CD) the switch to charge sustaining mode (CS) initially occurs at 22% SCO. I know this article reflected those values at one time. Will take some digging to find when it was changed. WopOnTour (talk) 01:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Re: Newt Gingrich

Newt Gingrich accused the car of being unable to have a gun rack. In case anyone wants to cite Newt Gingrich, note that author Mark Binelli wrote "Newt Gingrich being Newt Gingrich, this claim proved false, though the Venn diagram of Volt and gun rack owners probably offers up a slim overlap."

• Citation: Detroit City is the Place to Be, p. 152, 2012, ISBN 978-0-8050-9229-5 (hardback).

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

There are thousands of cars that are unable to have a gun rack - not notable. Sounds more like something to put on Gingrich's article rather than this one.  Stepho  talk  22:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Split

Shouldn't we consider splitting these pages into "Chevrolet Volt (first generation)" and "Chevrolet Volt (second generation)"? Combining both generations on one page and dedicating another solely to the second generation seems unusual, especially considering that we have more information on the significantly more information on the first generation and it is more notable.

Simply, I feel the first generation (2010 to 2015) model should have its own page titled "Chevrolet Volt (first generation)" 750h+ (talk) 05:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Duplicated effort is wasted effort. And there is plenty of material to have separate articles for each generation.  Stepho  talk  05:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Other car and truck wiki's list generational changes some with way more than just 2 generations

I don't see the point WopOnTour (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Its confusing. We have so much more information on the first generation than we do on the second, so I don't see why the second has its own page. Also, we're essentially mixing information from the first generation with the second. For example, with the infobox, how do we know which generations these specifications are for. For example, the infobox mentions "4,498 mm". How do we know which generation it is talking about. Probably the easiest argument is he length of this page. The second generation contributes to the excessive size of the page. 750h+ (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

And additionally, if there is two generations, there should be two individual sections for that specific generation. Not messed all around the page. And I see you say "Other car and truck wikis list generational changes some with way more than just 2 generations". Both generations are so, so different from each other. If we are going to put these together, then the generations should share the majority of their components, take the Holden VE (former featured article) and VF Commodore, two iterations of cars which share various components. This absolutely needs to be split. More reasons this might need to be split, as well as problems with this article:

• "The Chevrolet Volt is a plug-in hybrid car manufactured by General Motors, also marketed in rebadged variants as the Holden Volt in Australia and New Zealand and the Buick Velite 5 in China, and with a different fascia as the Vauxhall Ampera in the United Kingdom and as the Opel Ampera in the remainder of Europe. Volt production ended in February 2019."-- how are we suppose to tell which generation the rebadged variants are taking about?
• Numerous unrelliable, dead, forum, or blog sources. There's a source that claims it is from The Detroit News, however, it link you to a forum.
• Sales section could be reduced if we split. Also, why does the lede not say anything about the design, production, conception? All it talks about is how the car works and sales.
• Numerous short sections. Many, upon many WP:NOPRICE violations, and a lot of the article sounds like an advertisement.
• I am fixing this page in my sandbox and I hope to get it to Featured article status sometime this year.

Best, 750h+ (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

EREV or PHEV

I think we should ignore GM's marketing spin. The wiki definition of a EREV is "The ICE turns a generator and is not mechanically connected to the driving wheels. " OK, that is clear. However mode 3 (late edit) of the Gen 1 Volt's transmission strategy includes a direct mechanical connection between engine and wheels. Greglocock (talk) 03:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

If the HV battery is drained such that the vehicle will not move at all, then can the ICE move the vehicle effectively or will it have to wait a while to charge the battery to some minimum amount? Ie, can the ICE alone run the car without the battery? If so, then it is probably a hybrid. If not, then it is an EREV that also gets a bit of power assist from the ICE. There's that grey area where technically the ICE connects to the road wheels but maybe it doesn't develop much power, since it is really intended to be a constant rpm electric generator (where the highs and lows of power demands are smoothed/averaged by the battery) rather than a direct/instantaneous motive source.  Stepho  talk  09:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

"If the HV battery is drained such that the vehicle will not move at all, then can the ICE move the vehicle effectively " No, mode 3 (I misremembered) is a high speed mode, at low speeds the Volt acts like an EREV. https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/gm-patent-application-may-be-for-the-chevrolet-volts-transmission.336448/ Greglocock (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

The GEN1 Volt's ICE is unable to provide tractive propulsion on it's own. In mode 3 since ICE is ON (generating) in order to provide a load on the engine for BSFC optimization, a small portion of it's generated torque is transferred to a gearset that has a mechanical connection such that it "blends" SOME tractive power to the final drive while primarily being driven by MGB at that point.

This is very different from PHEVs such as the Toyota "Prime" PHEV models where the ICE can be, when most efficient, the only driving member. This NEVER occurs on the Volt as it is in fact mechanically impossible. WopOnTour (talk) 06:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)