Talk:Corkscrew

Two stage sommelierknife

Shouldn't two stage sommelier knives be mentioned? As it is thé culinary standard; and perhaps the image should be replaced accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakken314 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

What did folks do before corkscrews?

I was hoping this article would tell me how people opened wine bottles before the corkscrew was invented. If you know, that would be a nice addition. Pha telegrapher 02:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I imagine they simply pushed a stopper into the bottle far enough to pull it out again, similar to what you do if you want to re-cork a bottle by hand. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Before the corkscrew, wine could be stoppered with a conical cork, with a part sticking out of the bottle. Such bottling was typically done by the buyer (or possibly local wine merchants), since such bottles don't travel well - the corks are not as solidly attached as a cylindrical cork "all the way in". In this era wine was typically sold and transported in barrel. Tomas e (talk) 10:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Twin prong cork puller

The section 'Twin prong cork puller' makes the unlikely and unsubstantiated claim that "This is the only corkscrew which can also be used to put the cork back into the bottle." First of all, any corscrew can be used to replace the cork. Also, whether or not the claim is true, depending on the condition/type of the cork in the bottle, it sounds like this twin pronged device would be prone to breaking the neck of the bottle, and perhaps breaking up the cork beyond its usability as well. For now I'll remove the claim, but won't say anything on the other issue since I don't know for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.16.61 (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

This type of cork puller also has the problem of inadvertantly pushing the cork down into the bottle so you can never remove it again. This happened to me recently; see this picture I took after pouring some of the wine out. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Terminology

This article really should be fixed to use the same terminology as the {{{Bottle Opener}}} page for the Somellier Knife and the Twin Prong cork puller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.23.226 (talk • contribs) 2008-08-05

You are welcome to make the changes. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Bottle opener

NO

I do NOT think it should be merged. They are two different devices. A bottle opener opens bottles, while a corkscrew opens a wine bottle. One is a lever, while the other is an wedge. They have different purposes. You cannot open a wine bottle with a bottle opener, or a bottle that has a metal cap with a corkscrew. I am deleting the proposed merger as they are different. You can fix the redirect links if you want, but do not merge these two.WikiFanD 23:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And anyways, what would you call the entire article. There is no good, specific category where they both fit in properly. WikiFanD 23:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

YES

I've proposed a merge with Bottle opener. Here are some relevant points:

• They have redundant, but differently written, material.
• I said in my summary that Wine opener redirects here. This is incorrect as I write this; Wine opener does not exist, but Wine Opener (capital O) does exist and redirects here.
• I said the Ah-So is only covered at Bottle opener. It is covered there, but it is also covered here (even though it's not a corkscrew). But here, we call it a Butler's Friend and never mention "Ah So". There, they never mention the name "Butler's friend".

I propose merging them into one article (Bottle opener with redirects, since it would cover more than wine) with the best of both articles. -- Coneslayer (talk) 00:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support merge. And by the way, Wine opener now exists, directed to Bottle opener. In either article, the sourcing needs improvement (like, where did "Ah so" come from??). ~Amatulić (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose They are fundamentally different things with different histories. By the way, when you tagged the other article, you pointed the discussion to the wrong article. Not conducive to get a concensus. We have already had people trying to merge the other article as well, I just don't see the point since they are so different. PHARMBOY (TALK) 10:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Question: If they are "fundamentally different things" then why do the two articles have substantially the same, redundant content? Merging is one answer to redundancy. Rewriting both articles to eliminate the redunancy is another answer, but until that happens, a merge is more appropriate. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment The fact that the articles need work doesn't change the fact that the items are unique, individual products with different histories. Merging isn't going to help expand the articles, rather, it will provide an incentive to ignore them. My oppose still stands. PHARMBOY (TALK) 01:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support. Not enough content on either of them (barring examples) to justify standalone articles; until they grow a bit, a merge is sensible. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose Agree wholeheartedly with Pharmboy Alexs (talk) 01:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose The article deals with different instruments with different histories and are long enough to be separate articles. The overlap between the two is not so big so that the reader should be met with a redirect when looking for corkscew. Material on the history of the corkscrew is available at least in printed sources (such as Hugh Johnson's The Story of Wine), so this article could become longer and more informative. Tomas e (talk) 10:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge section?

As noted, the current article discusses two types of objects:

• for removing crown caps
• for removing corks

I agree with the suggestion that the section on removing corks should be merged with other cork removers (cork screw / wine openers), and also the suggestion that removers for crown caps are separate, and should be a separate article.

So how about merging just the cork screw info? (I’ve added a template to suggest this.)

Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 02:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The "Ah-So"

Yes, that's cute. Does it have any validity? Varlaam (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The article history has old versions of that section that go into more detail about the name. I wouldn't mind if the term disappeared from this article, except for the fact that I know people in the wine business who use this term. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Other styles

I noticed the article sticks with the traditional styles. Is there a reason for omitting the lever-style corkscrews?([1]) I seem to be spotting these in more-and-more main-stream stores, not just specialty shops - heck, even the department stores are carrying these things now. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

If you write it, they will come (to read it). Varlaam (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - just wanted to make sure there wasn't a reason for the omission before I tried locating some sources. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:00, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Expensive?

the article has a image: "An expensive titanium corkscrew made by Sveid" should the word "Expensive" even be used? Expense is relative to the viewer, do you think Bill gates would find a Corkscrew made by Sveid to be "expensive" I don't think so. And do you think a homeless man on the street would find the basic corkscrew to be "expensive" I think they would.

50.47.140.236 (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)