Talk:Demographics of Europe
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"PCA Map"
editWhat is the "Population genomic PCA map" explaining? the two axes of the chart aren't labelled, making it unclear/useless. Is it supposed to be a flat representation of the world? If so, why are the "phillipine negritos" to the west of the han chinese cluster? I am suggesting to delete it, unless someone can explain itFeldercarb (talk) 21:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Russia is not Europe
editRussia is not European country - not only geographically but culturally as well, Russian literature, music, art are typically Asian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a45e:72a7:1:d4b5:9a37:cd0e:b87 (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah... no. Russia is partially in Europe, geographically. In fact, it takes up the lion's share of the continent's landmass, about 40%. Most of its population is in Europe, as well. And the rest you've typed is total rubbish, to say the least. Mspriz (talk) 13:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Population by Country Table All Switched Up
editSomewhere along the road, someone appears to have accidentally switched the "Area" & "Population" column headers in the Population by Country table without switching the data itself. Since then, a few minor edits have been made to try to fix the problem with various countries without actually addressing the underlying issue, leading to a scenario wherein half the countries have the right data, and the other half have it reversed. I will be attempting to try to figure out s specific edit to undo in order the fix this, or otherwise I may end up having to do it manually. Just a heads up.
RecycledHeroin (talk) 00:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oooh, ick. Hadn't noticed. What I did notice is that this recent edit replaced the hard-coded values with templates like
{{UN population|Andorra}}&{{country area|Andorra}}which yields: - 79,034 & 468
- Maybe User:Guarapiranga knows more about what's gone wrong here. It'll take a bit of research. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 01:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, perhaps you are on to something. I had assumed that the messed up values had to be the result of someone manually trying to fix it after the fact, but it appears as though User:Guarapiranga was responsible for all the associated troubles in their sole edit. I'm really not quite sure what they did, but regardless, I have undone it. I believe I was able to keep your edits, though if they still serve their original purpose only you could say, I suppose. I just wish User:Guarapiranga had been more forthcoming in the intention of their edits and what exactly it was they were editing; if you see this I'd love to know, and I promise you're not in trouble ;). That aside, though, I'd mark this problem as resolved.
- RecycledHeroin (talk) 02:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not only you noticed it, JohnFromPinckney, but you thanked me for it, and said it was a
Cool conversion of table to use 0 template means section is largely sourced now. Did I mention this is cool?
[1] This is what was there (and what's been reverted to), and this is what I did; what was wrong with it?
— Guarapiranga ☎ 02:57, 22 July 2021 (UTC)Population and area of European countries/territories Country (or territory) Population
[1][2]Area
(km2)[3]Density
(per km2)Capital 
Albania
2,854,710 28,748 99 Tirana 
Andorra
79,034 468 169 Andorra la Vella 
Armenia
2,790,974 29,743 94 Yerevan 
Austria
8,922,082 83,871 106 Vienna 
Azerbaijan
10,312,992 86,600 119 Baku 
Belarus
9,578,167 207,600 46 Minsk 
Belgium
11,611,419 30,528 380 Brussels 
Bosnia and Herzegovina
3,270,943 51,209 64 Sarajevo 
Bulgaria
6,885,868 110,900 62 Sofia 
Croatia
4,060,135 56,594 72 Zagreb 
Cyprus
1,244,188 9,251 134 Nicosia 
Czech Republic
10,510,751 78,866 133 Prague 
Denmark
5,854,240 43,094 136 Copenhagen 
Estonia
1,328,701 45,227 29 Tallinn 
Faroe Islands (Denmark)
1,399 49,709 35.6 Tórshavn 
Finland
5,535,992 336,852 16 Helsinki 
France
64,531,444 551,500 117 Paris 
Georgia
3,757,980 69,700 54 Tbilisi 
Germany
83,408,554 357,137 234 Berlin 
Gibraltar (UK)
6.8 30,001 4,348.0 Gibraltar 
Greece
10,445,365 131,957 79 Athens 
Guernsey [d]
78 65,345 837.8 St. Peter Port 
Hungary
9,709,786 93,026 104 Budapest 
Iceland
370,335 103,000 4 Reykjavík 
Ireland
4,986,526 69,825 71 Dublin 
Isle of Man [d]
572 84,497 147.8 Douglas 
Italy
59,240,329 301,339 197 Rome 
Jersey [d]
118 97,857 827.9 Saint Helier 
Kosovo *[p]
10,908 1,859,203 170.4 Pristina 
Latvia
1,873,919 64,562 29 Riga 
Liechtenstein
39,039 160 244 Vaduz 
Lithuania
2,786,651 65,300 43 Vilnius 
Luxembourg
639,321 2,586 247 Luxembourg 
Malta
526,748 316 1,667 Valletta 
Moldova
3,061,506 33,846 90 Chişinău 
Monaco
36,686 2 18,343 Monaco 
Montenegro
627,859 13,812 45 Podgorica 
Netherlands
17,501,696 37,354 469 Amsterdam 
North Macedonia
2,103,330 25,713 82 Skopje 
Norway
5,403,021 323,787 17 Oslo 
Poland
38,307,726 311,888 123 Warsaw 
Portugal [f]
92,212 10,427,301 113.1 Lisbon 
Romania
19,328,560 238,391 81 Bucharest 
Russia
145,102,755 17,098,246 8 Moscow 
San Marino
33,745 61 553 San Marino 
Serbia [g]
88,361 7,041,599 90.9 Belgrade 
Slovakia
5,447,622 49,036 111 Bratislava 
Slovenia
2,119,410 20,273 105 Ljubljana 
Spain
47,486,935 505,992 94 Madrid Svalbard and Jan Mayen (Norway}
62,049 2,868 0.046 Longyearbyen 
Sweden
10,467,097 450,295 23 Stockholm 
Switzerland
8,691,406 41,285 211 Bern 
Transnistria
505,000 4,163 121.3 Tiraspol 
Turkey
84,775,404 783,562 108 Ankara 
Ukraine
43,531,422 603,500 72 Kyiv 
United Kingdom
67,281,039 242,495 277 London 
Vatican City
842 0.44 1,913.6 Vatican City 
Åland (Finland)
1,580 28,666 18.1 Mariehamn
- Ah, hang on, I see what the problem is... It's just the unsourced numbers that I missed reversing the columns (to fit the {{density}} template}}. That was a simple regex replace; no need to revert to the ugly unsourced table. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- There, now that's
fixing. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Well done for finally getting that sorted out. My only request is that next time you let us know how you're fiddling with the table, so that we can tell what to look at if it goes wrong, as without that info the simplest solution for me was to just revert all your changes, and we don't want all that. Cheers for putting the work in though! RecycledHeroin (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- There, now that's
- Yes, I thanked you, and I thank you again for your work; I still think it's cool. I hadn't noticed any reversal of figures or columns originally, and made only a spot check of some of the numbers; I think I mentally transposed the columns in my mind as I compared versions. When RecycledHeroin wrote here, I was just preparing to sign off for the night, so didn't (want to) take the time to research whatever the problem was, if there really was a problem (turns out it wasn't so big; I was mostly just tired, I think). Now, although some figures (e.g., Armenia pop.) have changed between versions, I don't see anything being grossly out of line. Being able to source and transclude these figures non-repetitively reduces both our workload and the chance of errors. So: still exceedingly cool. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 22:25, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, hang on, I see what the problem is... It's just the unsourced numbers that I missed reversing the columns (to fit the {{density}} template}}. That was a simple regex replace; no need to revert to the ugly unsourced table. — Guarapiranga ☎ 03:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
So when will Denmark, Georgia, Slovenia be switched back?.--Bornsommer (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Albania.-Bornsommer (talk) 05:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "World Population Prospects 2022". United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division. Retrieved July 17, 2022.
- ^ "World Population Prospects 2022: Demographic indicators by region, subregion and country, annually for 1950-2100" (XSLX) ("Total Population, as of 1 July (thousands)"). United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division. Retrieved July 17, 2022.
- ^ "United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics". unstats.un.org. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
Population number update
editTransnistria, and Ukraine need a population number update, just to mention a few.--Bornsommer (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Chonky data table
editThere is a big table showing nine different indicators for 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021.
Did you read all of those years? If not, you might be in favor of cutting down on the table size. WP:NOTDATABASE indicates that a table should be just as legible and pertinent as plain prose.
I would say the whole thing can go, with some prose replacing it. The paragraphs above it already discuss a couple of landmark years within the prose. Just three years, the beginning, middle and ending years of the century, would probably give enough detail for the reader. Wizmut (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I agree that this table is too big that it reduces readability. I think replacing it with prose summarizing data from three years is reasonable. 23impartial (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Ethnic groups
editOn the last line of the "Ethnic group" section it says, "Approximately 20 million non-Europeans live in the EU, 4% of the overall population." I assume this information is taken from this line in the source cited: "23.8 million people (5.3%) of the 446.7 million people living in the EU on 1 January 2022 were non-EU citizens." As you can see, the Wikipedia entry is incorrect. "Non-EU citizens" is not synonymous with "Non-European." This should be fixed or removed. Сулакин (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. I removed the statement as the source didn't provide any content about Europe proper. Wizmut (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2023 (UTC)