Talk:Draco Malfoy/Archive 1

Archive 1

Draco in HP fandom

A single fanfiction author being responsible for the ´creation´ of the portrayal of Draco in current fanfiction? I think not!

Yes, Cassandra Claire´s fanfiction was very popular, and it came to this popularity in the time after the first HP movie was released, meaning the following for this character had already begun when fangirls saw Tom Felton as Draco for the first time.

--Not true actually, it came to popularity during the year before the movie was released.

Cassandra Claire´s fanfiction was one of the most popular ones, that´s true. But it was not the first to portray Draco as a ´tragic hero´ or as a sex symbol. It was simply one of many in a wave of Draco-fixation. KlutzyFreak 20:28, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC).

The article reads "due mainly to," not "due chiefly to."

Still, she wasan´t a main reason for the Draco popularity, the actor, Tom Felton was. If we mention her, we should mention every other known author in the Harry Potter fandom who became popular after featuring this character in that light.

I agree. This part of the article is very biased towards Cassandra Claire, someone should edit it.

I see no reason to mention fan fiction at all. Would anyone object to this section going away completely? Friday (talk) 15:11, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I object. It's a perfectly valid entry on Draco Malfoy. --Dragix

Loyalty

I think that it's premature to make a firm judgement to Malfoy's loyalty. It could just as easily be removed (or say "unknown") as it could read "Death Eater". What do you all think? Friday 01:55, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say he's in the Death Eaters because he's a Death Eater. This can, of course, change with the release of Book 7, but for now, I think it's safe to leave it as is. --Deathphoenix 04:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

There's a difference between doing what Voldemort says and being a Death Eater. What makes you say he's the latter? Friday 04:12, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, it's "likely" (though I admit it's never explicitly stated) that he has the Dark Mark on his arm. Reading through the book, I think it's extremely likely that he's a Death Eater, or at least a Death Eater sympathiser. Either way, that would seem to indicate that his "loyalty" would be as Death Eater. If you feel that we should only put that down if we're 100% sure that he actually is a Death Eater, and would object to seeing it used in all other cases, perhaps changing his loyalty to "Lord Voldemort"? Personally, I'd still prefer to leave it as Death Eater, but I'd like to wait for other opinions in this matter. --Deathphoenix 04:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Not really sure. It's definitely true that Harry believes he's a Death Eater and has the Dark Mark. I just thought it was perhaps an oversimplification to say he's definitely a Death Eater. I'm not sure we need to state "Loyalty" in unclear cases, but I don't particularly object to listing it, either. Friday 13:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps change the loyalty to Presumed Death Eater? Best of both worlds, imho. --Sanguinus 15:24, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's not bad, I think, though I'd reverse it and say "Death Eater (presumed)". Ah, but that's just me. ;-) --Deathphoenix 15:33, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :) --Sanguinus 17:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I second that.Syazana 03:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Syazana

Overextensive Cleanup

Exploding Boy cleaned up WAY too much in this edit of his, and the sections are now too short, too broken up -- even chronologically disjointed. Placing the Black Family Tree near the top is a bad idea also -- it's too big and cumbersome. I'm not reverting right now because the previous version had its problems too, but I'm just giving warning that there may be some significant expansions and reorderings tomorrow here. Aris Katsaris 03:49, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Someone should make the article more extensive and orderly since Draco is not unimportant. Syazana 03:06, 1 October 2005 (UTC)Syazana

He'a a Death Eater, no doubt about that,but who knows whether hewants to be one or not.

It is I...

Mwahahaha... Draco Malfoy 18:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Fandom Removal

I asked about removing the fandom section on this talk page a few days ago and haven't gotten any replies yet. I don't see that fan fiction is particularly relevant to an encylopedia entry, so I'm removing that section as unencylcopedic and unverifiable. Friday (talk) 20:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Here's the removed bit, in case anyone cares to see it. I made the header not-a-header to prevent confusing formatting.

Draco Malfoy in the Harry Potter fandom

Draco Malfoy has developed a cult following amongst some Harry Potter fans for his cunning, ambition, arrogant streak, and the "Malfoy smirk." He is a popular figure in fan fiction, where he is often portrayed as a kind of tragic hero. He is often written into slash fiction opposite Harry, yet a sizeable number of his followers enjoy placing him with Hermione or Ginny. Unredeemed.net is one of the most prominent sites dedicated to him.

J. K. Rowling has attributed Draco's popularity to Tom Felton and the "bad boy" persona he has on celluloid. Rowling has expressed many times that she thinks fans like the character too much.

I disagree. The Harry Potter fanfiction is an almost unprecedented internet phenomenon, far exceeding any similar fanfiction communities that preceded it, in terms of scale. Draco is a highly popular character in fanfiction, and I therefore feel that this deserves mention. The section on 'Draco in fandom' seems to me to be perfectly encylopaedic - acknowledging that he is a popular figure and giving a number of reasons as to why that might be; that there is a quote from the author on this topic confirms for me that it is notable enough to merit inclusion, especially in the form that it was in - concise and to the point. --Sanguinus 23:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree with Sanguinus here. It would be one thing if it rambled on for pages, but it doesn't. Hermione1980 23:37, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I was a bit too bold. I considered all of this section unsourced, which made me lean more toward removal. I still don't see that talking about how fan fiction "often" portrays him is verifiable or neccessary. However, if anyone wants to put it back, I'm not going to revert war over it or anything. What about the mention of the website (unredeemed)? Is there any verifiable reason it stands out among fan fict sites, or was it just somebody's personal opinion that it's "one of the most prominent"? I'll admit I do have a bit of a personal bias that fan fiction is about as non-notable as your average garage band, and thus I generally don't want to see it included unless there's a very good reason for it. Friday (talk) 15:59, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll re-add it and try and improve the section in light of your concerns. Having looked at the unredeemed.net website, I don't think it's especially notable. Sites like malfoymanor seem to be more prominent, but I'm not sure there needs to be any in-line links in the section. --Sanguinus 16:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Unless someone can raise any reasonable objections I will reremove this follow section..

In slash fanfiction he is often partnered romantically with Harry Potter. Other popular romantic partners for Draco include Hermione and Ginny.

Not only is this not canon, it is almost certainly explicitly against canon since Draco and Harry are all but stated to be not gay. Furthermore there are fan fiction stories of practically every imaginable fetish for countless different books out there. Do we have to mention each one specifically? Furthermore, Harry Potter slashfiction in general, and Draco slash specifically isn't really notable at all. I've been researching the series heavily and I didn't know about this until I came across it here. Oh yeah and the Hermione and Ginny pairings also shouldn't be up here either..

Jarwulf 18:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I have no objections. Sounds like a non-notable area of the Harry Potter world. --Deathphoenix 18:23, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not you like slash, or whether or not it's canon (which most people who write it agree that it's not), I'd argue that it is a notable area of the Harry Potter fandom. Slashers make up a very vocal part of the fandom, and Harry/Draco is probably the largest slash pairing. Fanfiction in general has contributed to popularity of the Draco as a character; it's worth noting that the Draco fangirls and fanboys were active well before the movies came out.nmw 23:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still of the opinion that the entire section should go away. The main purpose of it seems to be to assert that Malfoy has a "cult following" and to talk about fan fiction. Fan fiction is rarely worth mentioning, in my opinion, and it looks like at least some other editors agree. Also, HP is way too popular in the mainstream for there to be a "cult following". Yes, Draco is popular among fans. You could say the same for nearly any character. There's nothing that verifiably suggests this situation is unique to Malfoy. Since I already removed it once and it was reverted, I'm not going to rush and remove it again, but IMO it adds nothing to the article. Friday (talk) 18:34, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

removed stated section, I left up the rest, I don't mind a brief general mention of fanfic as long as it doesn't go against canon. Hopefully everyone's happy.. Jarwulf 05:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

"Obtuse" Slytherins

Draco is a bully who is constantly accompanied by two obtuse Slytherins who follow his every order, Vincent Crabbe and Gregory Goyle.

"Obtuse" is a type of angle isn't it? I think obese is the correct word? I just need absolute certainty, I don't wanna be too stupid. APclark 18:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Obtuse means "blunt" in the figurative sense also. In other words, they're none too sharp in the intellect department. Friday 18:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Abraxas Malfoy

In Chapter Nine of the sixth Potter book, in a brief conversation between Draco and Professor Slughorn, it is mentioned that Draco's grandfather, presumably the father of Lucius, was Abraxas Malfoy, who died of dragon pox at (apparently) some fairly advanced age.

Shouldn't he be included in Draco's family tree? Kestenbaum 04:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he's Lucius's father. - Bouncing Rat.

You know, for Abraxas to have died at an advanced age (for a wizard), he would have to have fathered Lucius (who is, after all, only in his mid-40s) when he was over 100 years old.

Cleanup of Speculation needed

This section is newly created - intended to be canon-based, derived from the books/movies. Consider: our version of the editorials you'd find on Mugglenet or the HP Lexicon. Y'know, something that Rowling herself would be proud of/amused by. This is the section to introduce/rebuke theories. -Dragix

I've added a cleanup tag to the Speculation section. There are phrases like "girly girl", missing punctuation, missing formatting (make each sub-section a real sub-section), etc. JohnRDaily 11:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

How about deleting the section altogether? WP:NOT a crystal ball, after all. Hermione1980 14:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I considered that, and I certainly wouldn't object, but I think literary analysis in the guise of character analysis does have a place. It should be presented professionally, though, or not be presented at all. -JohnRDaily 15:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. The section's 1st title was Analysis until I realized it was mostly speculation of present/past events. I was gonna remove Speculation myself but I decided to leave it up for someone to edit because some of the info there was not mentioned in the Books section. --Dragix

Which reminds me, Hermione1980 who did the major rewrite, I love the edits in the HBP section; sounds cleaner and more accurate now. The Books section needs more info. The other characters have a section for each book; Malfoy has 2 sections for all 6 books. Later, I'm going to write the sections for the rest of the books and have someone edit it. Cut me some slack. I dunno about you, but IMHO it's harder to write than to edit.--Dragix

BTW, d'you how they have sub-sections like 2.1, 2.2, 2.3? I'm going to try that. --Dragix

Overall Cleanup

Where did some of this stuff come from? I watch this article, and I don't remember seeing the diffs for this stuff. Oh, yeah, I was on wikibreak for a day and a half. Things move quickly on the wiki. Not to insult the people who have contributed to this article, but ... well ... it needs work. I'm not entirely sure what the point of some of the stuff is. Here's what I see, just off the top of my head:

1. Leading section. This is an article on Draco Malfoy. The stuff about Tom Felton can go either in the article on Tom Felton or in the "Harry Potter fandom" section, not in the leading section. The leading section is supposed to be a short introduction to the article, not a lot of information in and of itself. It's six paragraphs long, for crying out loud! (Hey man, don't hate, it's intended to explain the character's uncalled-for popularity --Dragix)
2. Speculation. Lord. I didn't even look at this section whenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Draco_Malfoy&action=edit&section=12 I was copyediting a moment ago. It's awful. I don't know if any of it is salvageable; it looks like unnecessary fansite material/crystal ballery right now.

Those are the two worst things I see. The whole article generally needs to undergo a pretty serious rewrite, though. I'd do it myself, but what I think is worthy of inclusion may differ from what other people think. Thoughts? Hermione1980 23:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Be bold. I just chopped Tom. -JohnRDaily 00:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Nice job guys. Both parts mentioned above (written by me) were the 1st sections I would've chopped too because they're controversial. Speculation's always up for debate and the Felton tidbit may be considered needless slander (It isn't, I've nothing against him). The Felton paragraph explained why the character was so popular. I left it cuz Rowing mentions it, and if it caught the eyes of the author, then it could be noteworthy. --Dragix

I think it's the location that hurt it; under fandom, where Tom is discussed a bit, is the right place.

Oh, and is it just me, or is the picture in the infobox displaying for anyone else? If no one else can see it, we need a new picture (something from the Leaky Cauldron's image gallery would probably work, it's fair use). Hermione1980 00:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I can see all pictures. But IMHO we need a new picture anyway. There're better-colored pictures of the Slytherins out there Click Here For Example. --Dragix

Ok, that was bold. Why did you drop the spoiler? -JohnRDaily 01:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, you made the entire article a spoiler. I'm not sure that's the best approach. -JohnRDaily 01:05, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't know either, but I prefer one spoiler warning at the beginning, rather than multiple. If you prefer the other, I don't care. And like I said in my edit summary, if somebody wants to rewrite the speculation section and put it back in, I won't object. I don't feel equal to it. Hermione1980 01:27, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with making the entire article a spoiler? It's true; every single detail from this page came from Rowling's books. If some poor soul who never read ANY book came to this page, they're totally in for it! --Dragix

I tackled tense and overly long and frequently awkward text in the HBP section. This article could be cleaned up forever, seemingly. -JohnRDaily 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

That's the beauty of Wikipedia, isn't it? That it can be edited over and over again by pretty much anybody who has something to contribute. I confess, the major changes were mostly done by just 1 person (me). But believe you me, my intentions were good. --Dragix

Like all the HP-related articles, this one seems to grow out of control and needs severe pruning every couple of months or so. Let's all remember that we're creating an encyclopaedia article here, not a fan site. Exploding Boy 03:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Black Family Tree

This suject has been mentioned on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Harry_Potter#Black_Family_Tree. However the issue is still unresolved. This is one of the articles suffering from the size of the family tree, I think it has become damn near unreadable with all the horizontal scrolling you have to do to read every single line of text. Has anyone got any other suggestions, also unless someone posts an objection on here I think the tree should be removed until a better alternative can be found. Death Eater Dan 10:45, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

It's now replaced with a Note linking to the HPLexicon's Black Family tree. Theirs displays exactly the same info as Wiki's so IMHO it should stay that way until Wiki has something different to offer (i.e. the addition of Abraxas Malfoy, Barty Crouch SR/JR, the Potters, etc) We're citing sources; there shouldn't be a Copyright issue. --Dragix

The Black family tree does not belong in each Black family member's article. It has been removed from this article. Also, please avoid placing external links inline; far better to use them as references instead. Exploding Boy 03:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Literary Analysis

Dragix, I like the analysis you added to the first paragraph (about pointed features, for example), but I don't like the location. I think it's too much detail for an introduction. Can you create a new section for analysis of how Ms. Rowling describes and uses Draco? I'm going to pull the text for now. -JohnRDaily 13:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

He is described as a pale-faced boy with white-blond hair, pointed features, and cold grey eyes. Harry describes him as a spoiled, arrogant, and selfish person.

Thanks, I'm beginning to see your style: concise, to the point, right? "Pointed Features" was added when I overchopped the above section; then intro lacked info. Harry's opinion of Malfoy is stated and re-stated in the rest of the Intro, Books and Background section so I thought it was alright to eliminate. Physical appearances aren't mentioned in Hermione or Ron's intro so I figured why's it there? It's already in the side panel. Then I realized that nothing in the article mentioned his "pointed features", which has a tiny bit of villainous significance (Actually, the importance of the white-blond's opposition to Harry's jet black isn't mentioned either) I realize I'm overthinking things.

I read Wiki's article about introductions. What's the "fundamental information" in context of Draco Malfoy? --Dragix

BTW, I'm surprised the title Think my name's funny, do you? still lives. When twas 1st written, I thought, "That title is never going to live to see tomorrow," It's a direct quote from the character, but wouldn't you say it's unprofessional? --Dragix

Also wanted to remove Leather-Pants Draco. It's outdated, no longer one of the most popular fanfictions. By the time, 4 years ago, when I started reading fanfiction I'd never even heard of Cassandra Claire, instead it was all about The Paradigm of Uncertainty by Lori. Neither fanfictions were based on canon. I decided to leave "Leather-Pants Draco" alone because (1) Claire was 1 of the most popular among the 1st wave of Draco fanfiction and (2) a reference to Claire is on the front page of Google w/ keyword "Draco Malfoy". Someone. Anyone. Please remove "Leather-Pants Draco" because I find I'm incapable of doing so. --Dragix

This section has been removed as original research. Wikipedia articles are not the place for literary analysis. Only facts gathered from reputable sources are acceptable. Exploding Boy 03:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

PLAGIARISM

After the major 'clean-up' made by Dragix, I have to confess, the section became much more organized than ever before. However, it's _pure plagiarism_ (see the rules for wikipedia if you do not know the rules) Entire sections and stubs were stolen from www.hp-lexicon.org It's COPYRIGHTED CONTENT, and should there fore be removed. -->KlutzyFreak

I just compared this with our article. Where's the plagiarism? I see paraphrasing, yes, but we link to the Lexicon at the bottom and paraphrasing isn't plagiarism. There are no "entire sections and stubs...stolen" from the Lexicon.

Also, you can sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~ This transforms automagically into your username and a timestamp, which makes following conversations a lot easier. Thanks! Hermione1980 23:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hermione1980 was correct; there's no plagarism and no paraphrasing... Don't know where that came from. I couldn't find plagarism in the earlier edits either. I added a few parts and sections, moved them around, and categorized them. But I didn't clean or subtract much; my intent was solely to add to the article. I wrote my edits at 3AM, mostly by memory. Trust me, it can be done. I've been re-reading the books over and over since 2001, reading DM quotes, reading DM editorials, searching for canon fanfiction, and viewing every interview with Malfoy even slightly mentioned... Accusing me of plagiarism sounds malicious. Dragix 18:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Dragix

Draco as "archenemy?"

Really? "Rival" perhaps, but "archenemy" implies that Draco is the principle source of conflict for the protagonist... that's simply not the case, even in Book 6. Voldemort is Harry's archenemy, Draco is a minor character until HBP.

Is there any reason to let "archenemy" stand? --Nukular winter 18:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes. "Archenemy" is a quote from the beginning of the 2nd book (Ch1 maybe?). I can practically recite it from memory: He had never felt so lonely. What wouldn't Harry give now for a message from Hogwarts? He'd almost be glad of a sight of his archenemy Draco Malfoy, just to be sure it hadn't all been a dream... Dragix 19:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)Dragix

It's there, but this is a case where Harry's perception does not mesh with reality (Harry has often been an unreliable narrator; frankly the argument that Draco, and not Voldemort, is Harry's archnemesis is untenable). The article refers to Draco as "the" antagonist and as Harry's archnemesis; Draco's role in the stories is neither. --Nukular winter 20:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

True. It is 3rd-person limited POV afterall. Dragix 06:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)Dragix

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Draco Malfoy/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Good editing here - but like with many Novel based articles there should be more citations (even to the books themselves). An increase in verifiable 3rd party content would be very welcome. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Last edited at 10:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 14:42, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Pansy Parkinson

As it says in the article: "Although we do not know who he married, we can only guess it was Pansy Parkinson." This is pure speculation, and I think this sentence should be removed. MoChan 02:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was, Jo's stated that he's married to her. I realize this IS old, but... BlackPearl14^{Hermione Granger's Muggle Alias} 02:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

Do we really need the trivia section? It doesn't really seem to shed very much light on Draco as a character, or the series as a whole, and it's not even very interesting. Hermione1980 17:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes please. Just nuke the whole section entirely. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Kaboooom, nuke away. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 17:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Poof. (Finally.) Hermione1980 00:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

as Tangina Barrons (Zelda Rubinstein) said, while "addressing the living" in Poltergeist ... "This House is Cleansed" --T-dot 01:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Draco Malfoy can(not) see Thestrals

A completely new theory I read completely took me by surprise. I'm having trouble absorbing it. [User:65.191.82.234] added this comment in to the end of the literary analysis:

By the time he's 17, Draco Malfoy can see Thestrals (actually, this isn't certain. It's certain that he's seen someone die, but he has not necessarily realized that they are dead, never coming back, etc).

JKR during an interview with Stephen Fry...

Email: “Harry saw his parents die so why hasn’t he been able to see the Thestrals before?”

JK Rowling: I knew I was going to get that one…that is an excellent question. And here is the truth. At the end of Goblet of Fire we sent Harry home more depressed than he had ever been leaving Howarts. I knew that Thestrals were coming, and I can prove that because they’re in the book I’d produced for Comic Relief (UK) “Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them”. These are lucky Black Winged Horses. However, if Harry had seen them and it had not been explained then it would cheat the reader. So, to explain that to myself, I decided you had to have seen the death and allowed it to sink in a bit… slowly…these creatures became solid in front of you. So that’s how I’m going to sneak past that one.

Is that right? Is it truly not certain that Malfoy can see thestrals? Your 2 cents please. Dragix 01:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

add archive I think that it would be safe to say that he can. He would realize that Dumbledore is dead and not coming back, and that given his "part" in it i think it would sink in pretty fast. It will be interesting to see if JK will have Draco realize he can see them or anything like that.Wilson84 03:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC

I'd just like to remind everyone that article talk pages are not the place to discuss these matters. Article talk pages should only be used to discuss the content of articles, and since speculations have no place in articles, this discussion needs to be taken elsewhere, like one of the many fan forums. Thanks Exploding Boy 03:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

And I'd like to remind you that at the time it was there to discuss the content of the article. Dragix 23:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me, I think he'll see them, of course, but I don't know if it'll be this soon. Malfoy's capable of kind of keeping things from himself, trying not to deal with it, I think.

Half-Blood Prince

This section is pretty rough, and could use some clean-up. I haven't read this book myself, and am confused by some of the pronouns, otherwise, I would do it myself. Cgirten 05:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

"Unusual names"

Someone keeps putting up a mini-essay on whether Draco's name is "unusual" or "exotic" by Muggle standards. Apart from the fact that this is completely subjective (how does one determine how "unusual" or "exotic" a name is?) the article claims that some names, such as Luna and Hermione, are unusual, when they aren't even uncommon. Serendipodous 18:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the fact that Snape made the Unforgivable Vow to protect Draco is important, and I don't know why someone keeps removing the edits I made stating that Snape felt the effects of the Unforgivable Vow when Harry used the "Sectumsempra" spell on Draco. I mean, how else would Snape find Harry and Draco so quickly, if the Vow hadn't somehow alerted him that Draco was in danger? Amalik914 (talk) 01:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

What does that have to do with unusual names?65.223.58.226 (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Reformation?

Little has been said about the ultimate fate of the Malfoys. It seems Narcissa had the living daylights scared out of her by the start of "The Half-Blood Prince" and Lucius and Draco finally had them scared out of them in "The Deathly Hallows". All three of them ultimately picked love over power (witness Narcissa and Lucius caring about Draco over Voldemort triumphant in Deathly Hallows) and Draco lost a friend (Crabbe) and had to be saved from a death eater (and probably learned he was an acceptable sacrifice to Voldemort) during the Second Battle of Hogwarts. He'll probably always be a pure-blood snob, but he probably knows better than to mess with the dark arts now - that stuff really is dangerous.

I agree, but that's an opinion at the end and has no buissiness being on a talk page. Besides, we don't know much about "the ultimate fate of the Malfoys."Gazimon X (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

86.9.128.199 (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC) I think actually given the subsequent release of the play focussing on the plot-line 19 years later (The Cursed Child) a section on Draco's character development and his Reformation is probably merited. It is clear in the play that Draco has great love and compassion for his son - sometimes even more than Harry can express for his. 86.9.128.199 (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the Image

Why not use Tom Felton's character image of Draco instead of a sketch? Afterall, it is the most likely image that people associate him with, whats with the popularity of the films and all. 74.96.186.207 00:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed it had been changed. I like it, to be honest - as Rowling says, Draco is not Tom Felton. Vashti 02:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

But, guys, why do we have REAL pictures on Harry Potter? I think it's quite unfair. NazaliaSan 16:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I notice new pics on all the other harry potter charectors, why cant we do the Same for draco?Nimrauko 04:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude, check your spelling and capitalization there. It gives me a headache. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazimon X (talk • contribs) 21:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

"taken many a flower"

The last sentence referring to his relationship status (under Background) seems to be more an opinion and also refers more to fandom than canon. I suggest this is changed or cited. 24.47.148.252 03:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Tom Felton

I think Tom Felton is confirmed now as havingbeen contracted for films six and seven. 80.193.39.197 22:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Harry Potter fandom

This article, needs more sources, especially the Harry Potter fandom section which is unsourced NPOV (Draco Malfoy has developed a large following among many Harry Potter fans. Actor Tom Felton escalated the character's claim to fame among fans by giving them a visual portrayal of Harry's nemesis. and Most people familiar with the fandom dismiss this notion, however, because he was already a very popular character before Tom Felton was even cast.). Mrmoocow 20:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"New" Name Pattern

I'm deleting it, since it makes absolutely no sense. It's a Black Family Pattern name children after stars, there's nothing new about it. Diana Prallon 20:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Inaccuracy in the Chamber of Secrets sections

Malfoy then retorts with a snide jibe which reduces Hermione to tears.

Not true. It was portrayed that way in the film, but in the book Hermione simply shrugs the insult off:

“He did,” she said. “But I don’t know what it means. I could tell it was really rude, of course”

Is he a Death Eater or isn't he?

I see he's in Category:Death Eaters, but is it ever decisively shown (either in the books or by JKR) that he officially joined? Harry believed Draco had the brand on his left arm in book 6, but as far as I can remember it's never proved either in book 6 or in book 7. —Angr 20:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

yes he is a death im not even finished and i can already tell he is a death eater and he is on the death eater list —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greeknoitall234 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

yes, he has the dark mark. Jess4less (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Draco Malfoy was very much a Death Eater. he took the mark in the summer before the 6th year. Though it's unclear whether he took it intentionally or he was forced to take it. Tan1606 (talk) 05:59, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Name Etymology

Surely this entire section counts as OR? Not a single source is cited for any of it. I think we should remove it. asyndeton 09:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually these name etymology sections are the cruftiest things you'll ever come across. This one, however, actually is rooted in fact. Unfortunately, the only links I've managed to find are the HP Lexicon, which most do not consider usable (with good reason, mind you). Does anyone know where we might find something a little more acceptable? It would be a shame to delete this stuff when we know it came from JKR just because the source isn't good enough. PS I don't know anything about where 'Draco' comes from, this could be cruft. faithless (^speak) 21:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Draco is a constellation. Draco is also Latin for "dragon," and is a popular creature in greek and roman legend, though often under many names, such as "Ladon." Gazimon X (talk) 21:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Lead

Lead does not follow WP guideline: see Lead.

The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources. The lead should not "tease" the reader by hinting at but not explaining important facts that will appear later in the article. It should contain up to four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style so as to invite a reading of the full article.

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 18:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Citations

References/in-line citations need to be worked on. I've change all the ones not useing the reference tags. But they still need to be labelled. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 19:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Draco and the Malfoys

If Harry features a Popular Culture section that includes Harry and the Potters, should we include a similar section into this article talking about the wizarding rock band Draco and the Malfoys? I think this is really important, that is what makes an article Notable. Lord Opeth (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

By all means. Actually, I'm pretty surprised that there isn't at least a link to Draco and the Malfoys. faithless (^speak) 05:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hyperion

The article says that Scorpius's middle name is Hyperion, but in the book the boy is only called "Scorpius". Citation needed (someone added that Hyperion in it.wiki as well... citation needed there too!). --KingFanel (talk) 08:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

In the recent ITV documentary of JKR, Rowling drew a family tree which revealed several heretofore unknown names, spouses, etc. Here is a photo of the tree. Unfortunately the link that I used to watch the documentary appears to have been taken down, but I'm sure you can find it if you look hard enough. :) faithless (^speak) 13:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree we need a source, but it is not easy. I believe it was revealed in or as part of a rather lengthy Rowling Q&A/interview/reveal late last year, so if we are going to document Hyperion then we have to depend on secondary sources to provide the quote or make direct or indirect references to the quote. Some sources might include: HP Lexicon, and Accio-Quote (search for Scorpius on the page); and I am sure the other "usual suspects" (Mugglenet et al) also have the information posted. A Google or Yahoo search for the string should come up with more sources as well. I think in the absence of a statement at Rowling's web site, or at a news or reliable media outlet, the sites that lean to providing quality encyclopedic HP information might do in a pinch, assuming they describe the source of their information (eg: interview host, date, location, etc.). We should not however use any fan forum posts at these sites (eg: "Yeah I heard she said it is Scorpius Hyperion Malfoy"), as these guest-posts are not inherently reliable, even if they happen to be correct. If the "usual suspect" HP sites (which Rowling has acknowledged on her web site) are deemed to be insufficiently reliable or notable (and this has been argued at length for years, with the outcome intractably uncertain), then we probably will have to concede that Hyperion is non-notable and non-essential *cruft*, even knowing it is true, until Rowling or reliable secondary sources make it notable. --T-dot ( ^Talk/contribs ) 14:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I see a source has been found. Thank you very much, I'll transfer it to it.wiki too. About the "notability" matter... I don't know! --KingFanel (talk) 08:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Btw, this article lists Draco's middle name as Abraxas. Harry Potter Wiki lists it as "Lucius". (See http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Draco_Malfoy.)--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:12, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

86.9.128.199 (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC) In the play (Cursed Child) it is made clear that Scorpius's middle name is Hyperion - I'm sorry that I don't have a specific reference in the text to hand but it is definetely mentioned. Perhaphs this should be editted back in? 86.9.128.199 (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Family: Draco's distant relation to he Weasleys

You could add as an interesting detail that though not mentioned in the books, Draco's distantly blood related to the Weasley's through his mother, Narcissa, because her great grandfather, Cygnus Black (after whom her father also Cyngus Black was probably named after), was the brother of Arcturus Black, who was Arthur Weasley's grandfather (Arthur's mother, Cedrella Black, was disowned for marrying a Weasley, Arthur's father). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.228.85 (talk) 00:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The books state that all the families are inter-related. faithless (^speak) 00:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Slaps to punches.

I was reading over Draco Malfoy and I saw on the first part that it said the Hermione slapped Draco. If I remember correctly, She socked him right in that face. So I changed slaps to punches. 70.90.174.173 (talk) 01:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

She slapped him, page 293 of the American edition. faithless (^speak) 02:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Acutually in the movie she slugged right in the face. 70.90.174.173 (talk) 03:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

She did punch him in the movie, but I think the book would override, as the movie is just an adaptation. Useight (talk) 04:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

She punching him was not in the script I think she broke his nose Lonewolf2019 (talk) 15:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Popularity due to Tom Felton

"Malfoy grew into one of the series' most popular characters due to Felton's performances" Is there any proof for that statement? Seems enormously speculative. It can be reported that JKR thinks so, but she has no way of knowing. (And the thought that an amusing, young antagonist like him would not turn into one of the most popular characters, even without an attractive actor, is rather absurd.) It should be something like: Tom Felton's portrayal of Draco is very popular and might have helped the character's general popularity. Rowling is worried that fans do not see the difference between Draco Malfoy and the actor who portrays him:[Quote] FrauBluecher (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

86.9.128.199 (talk) 17:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC) I'm not sure that that is actually the thing that worries JKR. If you read the whole of her response in the interview what really worries her is the belief that many readers (especially young girls) have, which is that they would be able to reform Draco despite the fact he is a bully and "not a nice man". The comparison to Tom Felton I believe is there as, firstly, JKR's way of showing that she likes Tom Felton as a person and secondly, to indicate that the reason readers want to believe they can change him is because the actor is attractive. JKR is not worried that fans cannot see the difference between the actor and the character she is worried that fans cannot see the fact that a pretty face should not compensate for character defects.

Therefore, perhaps a change to "Tom Felton's portrayal of Draco is very popular and might have helped the character's general popularity. J.K. Rowling is worried, however, that fans often fawn over the character because of his good looks and despite the fact he bullies Harry and is arrogant and unpleasant."

The ellipses in the quotation could also be changed to better reflect this:

"I'm trying to clearly distinguish between Tom Felton, who is a good looking young boy, and Draco, who, whatever he looks like, is not a nice man. It’s a romantic, but unhealthy, and unfortunately all too common delusion ... of girls that they are going to change someone ... it is uncomfortable and unhealthy and it actually worried me a little bit, to see young girls swearing undying devotion to this really imperfect character ... I mean, I understand the psychology of it, but it is pretty unhealthy." 86.9.128.199 (talk) 17:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Our kind - the other kind

Obviously Draco is talking about genuine wizarding folk vs. Muggleborns, who don't know anything about the rules of the society, or mind you, about it's existence. You can not divide wizards in pure-bloods and Muggleborns. DM should be well aware that half-bloods exist and that they do know about the wizarding world(unless they happen to be Muggle raised orphans). Therefore it can not be stated that "our kind" refers to pure-bloods in this instance. FrauBluecher (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Protect?

Wow, I've just checked page history and it sure is getting vandalised a lot! Should it be protected? --YowuzaZXWolfie (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't get vandalized nearly enough to warrant protection. You might find this essay useful. :-) faithless (^speak) 16:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Family

I have just realised that Sirius Black is Draco's Malfoys 2nd cousin, because Narissa's sisters is Sirus' cousin. Could someone put that in please?

13th of December —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.18.147 (talk) 14:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Lets Marry him to Harry Potter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravenfox1315 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Height

Hey, let's not discuss this through edit summaries. "Tall" was in there originally, someone edited it to say "average height", I thought I remembered him being described as "tall" in one of the books, looked it up and found it, and reverted to the original. I don't particularly care if the height descriptor is there at all; I merely found a source for what was there originally. If I recall correctly, Draco's height was not explicitly mentioned in the first few books. So I guess the real question is, are we describing him over the whole series, or are we describing him as of the end of the series? Hermione1980 14:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Loving the Very Harry Potter Sequel quote.

Just that really!86.163.56.23 (talk) 10:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Harry Potter (character)/Archive 4#Darren Criss

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Harry Potter (character)/Archive 4#Darren Criss. Elizium23 (talk) 20:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC) (Using {{pls}})

In-universe information included in infoboxes?

With reference to this removal by Lord Opeth, and believing that discussion had previously touched this subject, I recently made the same removal, but the editor has asked me why. Now searching the archives, I cannot find a discussion or rationale for excluding this in-universe family information from the infobox, but Harry Potter (character) includes his spouse and children, so why not Draco Malfoy too? WP:INUNIVERSE says that real-world infoboxes should not be used for fictional characters, but this is {{infobox character}} - expressly for fictional characters - and it does have those fields. I say put it in. Elizium23 (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Middle Name

In the article, it says his name is "Draco Lucius Malfoy". Has JK Rowling actually said that? - Silver Diadem 17:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Why did someone change his middle name to "Abraxas"? Harry Potter Wiki, as I said, lists it as "Lucius".--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

It was vandalism from about a week ago. I've changed it back. Elizium23 (talk) 03:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Mal Foi

User Mezigue has reverted my change about "mal foi" in which I called the phrase "Macaronic French" and added that modern French for "bad faith" was "mauvaise foi." Mezigue is bilingual, French-English, so rather than going back to my change, I'd rather talk with him and other contributors before makiing any move.

I'm not bilingual, but I've been speaking and writing French (also professionally, in academic journals) for almost 50 years, and I live in Nice. I'm positive that "mauvaise foi" is today's French for "bad faith;" the expression also describes a philosofical concept introduced by Jean-Paul Sartre. It is not unconceivable that "mal foi" is an archaic, medieval form. However, I searched the Internet for "mal foi:" the only references are to the Malfoy family and to people stating, in English, that "mal foi" means "bad faith" in French--no French-lamguage reference. The phrase "mal foi" is also ungrammatical in that "foi" is a feminine noun and the (uncommon) adjective "mal" is of the masculine.

Could Mezigue or other contributors please cite a source for the restored assertion that the phrase has that meaning in French (possibly medieval French)?

All of this is not to say that the association of the Malfoys with duplicity or bad faith is incorrect; it is not; and any French speaker would immediately identify the Malfoys' family name as meaning just that. But I find it misleading to assert something probably incorrect about the French language as though it was some dead tongue. "Cela ne va pas de soi"--a source is called for. Pan Brerus (talk) 10:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

The problem here is that you were tweaking a quote and adding your own interpretation to it. Mezigue (talk) 10:22, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018

66.189.134.38 (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2018 (UTC)Draco Malfoy is awesome

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‘Hurts’ people to get what he wants?

It says on the wiki that as well as manipulating, Draco hurts people to get what he wants. I can’t recall a time he ever did so. Could somebody remind me of proof, or a possible edit may be needed on that, perhaps. Darkartsdraco (talk) 03:21, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect replication of a source (20)

IGN actually lists Draco as its 8th top Harry Potter character whereas this article says IGN listed him as their eighth. Could this please be rectified? 86.9.128.199 (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Undid revision 938489027

> goes against every other HP character article

WP:OTHERSTUFF

> and not the common representation of Draco

Why? Which one common? @Chaheel Riens: — Ирука¹³ 15:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Otherstuff doesn't apply when there has been a conscious effort to keep a family of articles as consistent as possible. All the major characters are shown as their film counterparts. As per WP:LEDE - "Images. As with all images, but particularly the lead, the image used should be relevant and technically well-produced. It is also common for the lead image to be representative because it provides a visual association for the topic, and allow readers to quickly assess if they have arrived at the right page". The proposed image is - with no offence intended - nothing more than a student doodle of a blonde boy with a stripy scarf, and far inferior to the existing image. Also note that the image used is part of a publicity pack, its use is not expressly forbidden.

Tom Felton is undeniably the recognised face of Draco Malfoy, I'm genuinely surprised you feel it necessary to ask such a strange question. However, thanks for discussing - rather than simply reverting again. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

> Otherstuff doesn't apply when there has been a conscious effort to keep a family of articles as consistent as possible.

Is beauty more important than law? What about the article about Rubeus Hagrid? There are enough free images on Wikimedia Commons to illustrate most HP-articles, if you stand for consistency.

In your own words, the image that is now is just Tom Felton in the mantle. The maximum that this image can show is "Draco Malfoy in the film." While the drawing is really the blond in the mantle, who, in fact, is Draco Malfoy in the book and movies.

The fact that the article contains a drawing and a photo of Tom Felton completely covers the need for an illustration, which, according to the first paragraph of WP: NFCCP, is the reason for the removal of the existing non-free image. — Ирука¹³ 09:22, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the Hagrid article - that's hideous. I've reverted that change as well. Jesus wept, my eyes hurt now. Incidentally, you can't claim justification that an article has a different image so refutes all others when it was you who added the different image after the discussion had been started here. In fact to consciously make the change when you know that an equivalent change on a very closely related page has been reverted and is being discussed is almost disruptive, and certainly pointy.

It's not "beauty" - it's what is the most recognisable and best representation of the article topic. In the realm of HP, and certainly the core characters - it's the actors who played them in the films. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I've stricken the above comment, as I see they were done at pretty much the same time - however the argument still stands. Hagrid's article cannot be used as a foil for others when the change to it was made at the same time as the Draco article. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

What can you say about such replacement: File:Draco Mal.JPG --> File:Harry Potter studio tour- Life size Draco Malfoy dummy.jpg? — Ирука¹³ 08:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Not the best example of article representation. Poor facial expression, reflections on glass, low image quality. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

bad faith

I'm not able to edit this article, but the translation of Malfoy as "bad faith" is very obvious to anyone who knows any French, and also it is confirmed by J. K. Rowling herself on Wizarding World.[1] Also, Draco means dragon in Latin, and Rowling says Draco Malfoy is named after the constellation Draco ([2] scroll down). 2602:24A:DE47:B270:DDD2:63E0:FE3B:596C (talk) 09:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2021

Allieduke (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Draco is characterized as a cowardly bully who tricks and hurts people to get what he wants; nevertheless, he is a cunning user of magic and he was a very misunderstood character.

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

Sabinegreeeen (talk) 15:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

draco’s malfoy girlfriend: sabine green

yes Sabinegreeeen (talk) 15:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2021 (2)

2001:B07:ADD:4FBB:C835:C619:8ACF:343 (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

spouse: sabine green

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021

2001:56A:FA41:6500:E0D7:BF90:7486:1DA6 (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I just want to say ashley jade malfoy is the wife of draco malfoy.

 Not done, Draco Malfoy's wife is Astoria Greengrass. —El Millo (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

His name

Draconis is his name but is known by Draco 2A02:C7F:521B:9900:8CE4:DBF9:43BD:2C31 (talk) 14:11, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Source? —El Millo (talk) 22:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)