Talk:Dulles International Airport

Miscellaneous comments

Note: Larry, The John F. Kennedy airport is in New York. -- mike dill

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Please to do not delete San Antonio from United's mainline service section. United mainline still has non-stop service to San Antonio. Flight 953 departs 0819 utilizing an A319. Shakbok (talk) 15:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)shakbok

I have discovered that all AeroSur flights to and from Bolivia make a scheduled stop at Tocumen International Airport; Panama City, Panama. Thus I have updated AeroSur's destination section to include Panama City. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakbok (talk • contribs) 17:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

We should update the map which shows the destinations from Dulles to include new routes. NOTE: It looks like it's calling IAD->Beijing a "Direct" route, when isn't it a non-stop route? Pretty sure the new United flight is non-stop to Beijing.

Hey -- The location mentioned in the article is 'Dulles' -- This is not a name of an area -- Businesses in Sterling use 'Dulles' as a city address instead of 'Sterling' as it is better known -- The United States Postal Service has agreed to deliver mail addressed as 'Dulles' to the 20166 zip code area of Sterling.

Hey guys, I merged the one I made and this one into this thread.

If I am wrong about which terminal each airline occupies, feel free to slap my hand :(

The layout description was confusing on the map.

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Needs ground trans info like Washington Flyer and Metrobus 5--Jason McHuff 07:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC) -- This has been added on June 6, 2006, in both the body of the text and in the external links area.

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needs to update the introduction since Independence Air went out of business (dec?).

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There are a lot of flights that need to be added to this list, delta, northwest, united, continental, and American all have flights and purposed flights missing on this list

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The current Concourse G according to the MWAA Dulles website is a temporary structure that will be torn down once United Express completes its transition back to Concourse A.

I've gone ahead and added a note about this -- MutantMonkey 21:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it... UAX moved from A to G but then moved back to A once Independence went bankrupt? What had they originally planned to do if Indy had stayed and G was temporary? -newkai t-c 22:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Curved design

I think there should be more information and pictures of the curved architecture of IAD. 'FLaRN' (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

D2

I am going to write an article on the Dulles Development Program (D2) Please let me know of any changes you think i should make (or spelling errors...) Nweinthal 05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)NW

From both me and Nweinthal, thanks for the picture on the D2 sectionPlanes&Mustangs510

On that map it says that there is service to panama city but I cant find which airline it is.

It's Lloyd Aereo Boliviano, I'll add it in the text as well. Kmusser 13:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

IAD-HKG on UA

Please stop adding Hong Kong as a destination for United Airlines. UA does NOT fly IAD-HKG so it is not worth mentioning. Bucs2004 05:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

strangely-worded sentence

Check out this sentence:

In 1958, the former unincorporated community of Willard was torn down to make room for Dulles, and countless roads, homes, stores, and schools were demolished to make room for runways, concourses and other features.

This seems very derogatory and confrontational, seeming to insinuate that lives were shattered by the construction of the airport- indeed, "countless" lives. I would propose either revising, moving and revising, or striking altogether this sentence, as its position near the top of the page gives it more justification and significance than I believe is due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uvulabob27 (talk • contribs)

Concur. It reminds me of the debate at Logan Airport regarding East Boston residents being displaced to construct the airport, where residents say they were living there before the airport was built (in 1920?). I agree to the options of either revision or total removal. Neo16287 17:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur as well and have removed the sentence. There is no reason for it to be in a paragraph about the current location of the airport--it's simply not relevant there. It is relevant in the history section, where there was already a mention. I've condensed the two sentences about Willard into one sentence in the history section. SaveThePoint (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Independence

Three years after its demise, perhaps we should take the information about Independence Air out of the overview section, maybe to a new heading... P&M510 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.69.180 (talk) 01:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation?

How is Dulles pronounced? Shouldn't someone who knows for certain add that to the article?

I'm just a casual user, and I came to this article specifically to find how the name is pronounced; unlike many, many other articles, that information is not found here.

Just a suggestion and a request... thanks.

12.202.102.35 (talk) 22:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't think of it as being particularly difficult to pronounce. Isn't it just "Dull - ess"? NcSchu_(Talk) 22:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. That's why I asked and felt it important enough to ask. It could be "Dull-ess", or it could be pronounced "Dool-ess", or "Doo-lay", or who knows how many other ways. For what it's worth, I agree with you and "think" it is "Dull-ess"... but shouldn't we all know for certain? 12.202.102.35 (talk) 14:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been to Dulles many times, and it is pronounced like NcSchu said: Dull-ess. --Sha721

—Preceding comment was added at 02:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC) 

As an employee of the airport, it is pronounced: DUHL-ESS Rootbear75 (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Rootbear75, and I am a resident of Northern Virginia, and I have always heard DUHL-ESS as the method of pronunciation. Mathpianist93 (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Kind of weird --- PLEASE READ

Hi. If you look at Air Peru, it says that they fly operated by Primaris Airlines between Miami, Washington Dulles, and Lima. Someone deleted it off all three pages:

• Washington Dulles International Airport [supposed to be in Concourse H]
• Miami International Airport
• Jorge Chavez International Airport

Anybody know why??? Sha721 (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Having searched for Air Peru, the first result coming up is the WP page. The URL provided only shows a "page under construction", and there are no records of such an airline existing. The airline appears to be a hoax. It would not be the first time, and it definitely will not be the last. Neo16287 (talk) 19:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Dublin route

For the moment, Aer Lingus are only cutting the Winter schedule. Although it was said that there was "no absolute guarantee" that they will operate the summer schedule next year, for the moment it is operational as it hasn't been cut. Therefore a "seasonal" tag is the best indication. FF3000 (talk) 21:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears that IAD-DUB will not be returning for Summer 2010. Therefore the last flight is on October 12, 2009. It will fly to MAD on March 28, 2010 instead. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 02:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Beijing route

Whoever changed the Beijing route designation to seasonal, how do you know so? In March, my father flew IAD-PEK non-stop both ways, so how can the route now be only seasonal? I am not sure whether March is part of the peak tourist season in Beijing... Mathpianist93 (talk) 22:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

According to UA timetables, The route is suspended for the winter season. It ends October 25, 2009 and then resumes in March 2010. Until that time, IAD-PEK will operate via NRT instead. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 02:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

::Even though I checked the timetables myself, thanks very much! Too bad this route is not doing as well as expected. We have a large Chinese population, as well as gov't traffic, here. Mathpianist93 (talk) 01:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

The is mainly due to the US economic recession and UA's cut of international capacity. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

IAD-RSW on UA

Please stop adding Fort Myers as a destination for United. Check scheds and there are no nonstop IAD-RSW on UA mainline nor Express at all. Only nonstop flight to RSW is from ORD and that is on UA Express. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 02:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Listing of destinations

I am going to consolidate the airlines/destinations into ONE table, as has been done for JFK and EWR. Mathpianist93 (talk) 23:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussed at WP:AIRPORTS. Snoozlepet (talk) 00:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Irish Airline Aer Lingus

The unsourced comment about Irish Airline Aer Lingus doesn't appear to be notable enough to appear in the lede. There's no appropriate section to move that into, at present. Tedickey (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, users continue to put Dublin as a Aer Lingus destination from IAD. Aer Lingus only flies nonstop from IAD to MAD. Dublin is served via codeshare partner JetBlue Airways and it stops in New York-JFK. Nonstop flights from IAD to DUB ceased in October 2009. Snoozlepet (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

PEK seasonality

This time, I am going to have to think you are incorrect question you, Snoozlepet. Checked the schedules right after your edit, and there is no mention of a NRT route under the PEK section of the official UA timetable. The only change to the route so far this year seems to be a slight re-timing. Furthermore, under the "plane type", there is only 777. Of course, this could all change by then. And Snoozlepet, winter doesn't really begin in Beijing until late November (and snow is like gold there); and here, in Washington, I will have to say mid-December at the earliest. --HXL 何献龙 01:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

INCORRECT! I am gonna have to disagree with you. Per UA schedules....the flight is seasonal!! There is NO IAD-PEK nonstop flights during the winter...so it is seasonal. and PEK-IAD makes a stop in NRT. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

can you not yell? it's not proportional to a light "I am going to have think you are incorrect". --HXL 何献龙 20:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I ask that you remove a similar section from July/August 2009. then I did not know of the word "timetable" so it was more in my error to ask the question. Bear in mind that this username is the successor of that original poster's SN, ok? --HXL 何献龙 22:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

and sorry for my original error. I tend to rely on timetables a little too heavily, and did not bother go booking. I suggest this, if UA is going to make IAD-PEK go seasonal non-stop every year (I agree that an intermediate at a hub/focus shouldn't be listed), WP just ought to leave that route marked as seasonal and not simply change it come every April, ok? not only is this less work for you and other editors but it also does not leave the false impression of year-round profitability on this flight. --HXL 何献龙 22:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

A380 not coming to IAD, or is it?

I've been searching left and right for information confirming this and can't find any:

"In the summer of 2011 Air France will start using the Airbus A380 on their Paris Charles de Gaulle airport to Washington Dulles International Airport service.[14]"

So from what I gather it is little more than conjecture. While my French skills are very limited, the source for this statement does not mention anywhere service to Washington, it only seems to mention Montreal.

I also checked the timetables for AF in the next coming months and see no service with anything other than a 772.

I think it should be removed until confirmed with no doubt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.44.155 (talk) 16:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Does this article suffice as confirmation? Its the washington business jounral; gives date as June 6. http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2010/12/03/dulles-gets-first-a380-service.html Scjiwillbe (talk) 21:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Then that article would be a much better source than the french one, assuming it is accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.44.155 (talk) 03:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Move This page from the Fairfax County portal to the Loudoun County Portal

Just an observation, the entirety of the airport's land lies within Loudoun County, VA not within Fairfax County, VA. Shouldn't it therefore be within the Loudoun County portal rather than the Fairfax County portal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.207.183 (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Dulles straddles the county line of Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. While most of the airport is located in Loudoun County, Runway 1R/19L is mostly in Fairfax County. In addition, most of the southern areas of the airport's land (which is where the new ATCT is located) is in Fairfax County. There is actually a sign on one of the service roads (Willard Road) that says "Entering Fairfax County." In addition, Rt 267, the Access Highway are all within Fairfax County. I'm OK with putting the airport in both portals. You can clearly see this by looking at an official map of Fairfax County, located http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/maps/images/maps/handouts/pdf07/SchoolAdministrationAreas.pdf. --Scjiwillbe (talk) 16:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Citation Needed Headline

Do we still need the "citation/verification" headline that has been at the top of this article since 2009? The article as over 60 references and I feel is pretty well cited. Is it time to remove that tag? Thoughts?--Scjiwillbe (talk) 03:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Looks like someone already removed it. Sam.gov (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

January, 2012, fatality

Worth mentioning? - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/post/southwest-employees-dies-after-accident-at-dulles/2012/01/27/gIQAweOYVQ_blog.html?hpid=z3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.62.137.154 (talk) 17:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Saudi Arabian's Seasonal Flight to Medina

I have been doing some research and cannot find any indication that Saudi Arabian has scheduled seasonal flights to Medina. I as well cannot find any proof that this flight is a seasonal charter service. Can someone verfiy otherwise? ~~shakbok

Sources

• Halsey, Ashley III. "Dulles expansion prepares airport for new wide-body jets." The Washington Post. March 28, 2012.

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Avianca Service to La Paz via Bogota

Please be advised Avianca's 5 of 7 weekly flights to Bogota have continuing service to La Paz, Bolivia. Shakbok (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

United: IAD - BKK service.

For the last few months I have observed on MWAA's fight schedule relative to direct one-stop service from IAD to BKK. Today I went to the United's home page and was able to find flights with one-stop service through NRT without an aircraft change. Therefore I am going to add BKK to United's list of destinations. http://www.united.com/ (Type in the destinations on the left. The first flight indicates direct one-stop service.)

http://www.mwaa.com/file/MWAA_August_2012.pdf (page 72 and 75)

Shakbok (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)shakbok

Narita is a United hub and there is a 100% that it is not the same plane and we have already had this discussion in the past with this and DL NRT flights. If you also look at the flight status of Flight 803's (the NRT-BKK segment) "Where is this aircraft coming from?", you will see that that the aircraft number is not the same as IAD-NRT. Snoozlepet (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I let Shakbok's edit stand earlier because it was indeed the same flight number and aircraft type, and I checked one day and the plane did indeed go direct--it doesn't have to be every day, just once a week would be enough to be a regular service in some much smaller markets. HOWEVER, now I see that this same flight number deal does not last beyond August 27/28. Therefore it suffers from the same problem as DL's NRT operation--TIMETABLE DIRECT--which changes every few months. I recall that I did not get a consensus to treat foreign hubs treated as the same as domestic hubs (which is an almost automatic exclusion), so NRT being a hub is not enough to warrant exclusion. However, "timetable direct" is a cause for exclusion. Those of us having been around long enough to see the NW/DL merger and the plane painting/upgrading process had concluded that we are not going to chase after flight numbers and aircraft types every few months and add or delete destinations or begin/end tags for these operational changes. If you don't see qualifying directs through the end of the schedule, exclude it. HkCaGu (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

confusion between largest and other superlatives}

readers will be confused by the switch in mid-sentence from largest (a measure of area) and number of passengers (usually not measured in acres) TEDickey (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

According to the first source, Dulles's area is 13,000 acres (though the 3rd gives a lower figure), while BWI is 3,600 TEDickey (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

These numbers do not add up. The source noted says "preliminary". Other sources indicate IAD has more passenger count between 2010 and 2011 than BWI. Besides, airport size is dictated by land mass. Shakbok (talk) 16:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

In 48-hours, if there are no more comments and /or suggestions, I will rewrtie the language or most likely get rid of it all together. We should find the FINAL numbers as opposed to "Preliminary" as stated in the source.. Any thoughts until then? Shakbok (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2012 (UTC)shakbok

?Segregation of United Domestic and United International Flights?

Since ALL mainline United flights depart and arrive at C and D Concourses, is it neccessary to create two tables for international and domestic flights? What if United Express had international service to non-precleared destinations. Creating two tables to stay consistent could become confusing. Shakbok (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

It's been reverted. Longstanding WP:AIRPORT practices are based on terminals/concourses, not the types of destinations. HkCaGu (talk) 02:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

No, since all domestic and int'l UA mainline flights use concourses c and d, it is pointless to seperate them. The only time we seperate domestic and international destinations is when a concourse or terminal is used exclusively for international flights only. Also, please note that some domestic flights will depart from a international concourse/terminal during off-peak taffic hours. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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The main terminal of Washington Dulles International Airport, a public airport in Dulles, Virginia, that serves the Baltimore–Washington metropolitan area. Designed by Eero Saarinen, the building forms the centerpiece of one of the busiest airports in the United States, with over 23 million passengers a year.Photo: Joe Ravi

IAD Size.

Good Morning... I changed the wording for IAD being the "largest" in the Washington DC metro since it is by size and traffic numbers within Washington DC MSA. If one clicks on Washington Metro portal to the right of the disputed terminology, they are forwarded to the Washington DC MSA page; not Washington /Baltimore CSA. If I am incorrect, please explain so I understand.

Shakbok (talk) 13:34, 2 August 2013 (UTC)shakbok

Most people don't make that distinction, when familiar with the area will find the presentation misleading - Google maps says that BWI to Washington is 32 miles, Dulles is 27. That's to city-center. People in Maryland generally use BWI (depending on particular flights of course). TEDickey (talk) 19:38, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussions such as this are inappropriate for user-talkpages, since that does not help to improve the topic TEDickey (talk) 20:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

mislabeled picture

Picture was renamed by an occasional editor who made an unverifiable assertion, ignoring topic's page, the linked topic which provides description - also see http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/acrp/acrp_rpt_055.pdf TEDickey (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

IAD Destination Map

IAD has service to MAD via United. Spain needs to be shaded in. Shakbok (talk) 08:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

IAD Passenger Count Per 2014

Please stop editing IAD's 2014 passenger stat. Per Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA), traffic was down 1.7% from 2013 statistics. Please read for yourself: http://www.mwaa.com/7736.htm Shakbok (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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History incomplete

There are references to "temporary" concourses C and D, but no explanation. Doing some further research it seems concourses C and D were originally intended to be temporary (and the airport still considers them as such) but they are now 25 years old and the replacement isn't even given a date yet. Also, Concourses A and B were built in the 2000's? Were there also 'temporary' A and B concourses? Or was C and D given its designation after A and B were built? Rehcsif (talk) 03:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

There are also no references to the airport's name change. For decades it was the John Foster Dulles International Airport; after the federal government leased it to the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, the signage began referring to the "Washington Dulles International Airport." I can, however, find no reference to Congress's authorization of a name change; apparently the airport is the John Foster Dulles International Airport d/b/a Washington Dulles International Airport. In any case the history section should describe the name change. (Some wag asked: Who was Washington Dulles? Was he the last, and least, of the Dulles Brothers?)C. Cerf (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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United Mainline Service to SAT

I see UA's mainline service to SAT is listed under "Seasonal". What part of the year is there mainline service?

Shakbok (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)shakbok

Requested move 14 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 11:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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Washington Dulles International Airport → Dulles International Airport – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the airport is generally referred to as simply "Dulles International Airport", omitting the Washington in front. This is evident as it is used as the airport's official branding as well as references to the facility on its own webpage are shown as just "Dulles International Airport". ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 05:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

• Tentative support: Google search for "Dulles International Airport" excluding any within-article references to "Washington Dulles International Airport" returns 1,420 results vs 95 results for "Washington Dulles International Airport" on WTOP online; my first result for the latter is even an artifact of the tagline being "Washington" and the first word in the body proper being "Dulles". WaPo similarly turns up 7,820 results vs 913 results, and their Meteorology / Climatology blog Capital Weather Gang also seems to favor omitting the preceding "Washington". CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 07:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Clear common name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:41, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

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@SS49: Without looking into the pros and cons of this move - I seriously do wonder if there was enough (opportunity for) discussion above to gauge that there was any consensus here. To my view in general people land there is much real and potential confusion between Dallas and Dulles and the new title does not really help this confusion.

"Airport Dulles" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Airport Dulles. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 18#Airport Dulles until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 18:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Parking

Add new section for IAD parking options … Dulles short term, Dulles long term, third parties… 108.51.133.235 (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)