Talk:Gauloises

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Article contributed April 25th 2005 by Edward G. Nilges who smoked Gauloises when he was a philosophy major: uid spinoza1111, email spinoza1111yahoo.com. Cough sputum mort de ma vie sacre bleu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinoza1111 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 April 2005 (UTC)

Editorial changes

I have sought to make the entry more neutral in that, no matter how ingrained the brand may be in the world's psyche, it is still a death stick. I used to smoke the brand fifty years ago and, whenever I visited France, I would bring back as many as the customs authorities permitted. I think I will always remember the taste with affection.

David91 — Preceding unsigned comment added by David91 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The irony!

Mentioning "NPOV" and "death stick" in the same paragraph ...

Bellthorpe (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion

I agree. The content overlaps and should be merged. Gauloises is the less comprehensive page as they stand. David91 09:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this article be moved to Gauloises? This is the first time that I have seen the name Gauloise. J-C V 18:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably not; WP prefers singulars. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

But the brand name is Gauloises; so why not use that as the article's name? It has been moved now anyway. J-C V 17:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with wanting to move it, the brand is spelled GAULOISES only. --Mrtobacco 18:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there are other plural article names where that's the common form. Bendž|Ť 23:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be re-titled Gauloises? It's erroneous to have it titled Gauloise as the brand is Gauloises. The singular does not exist. That would be like trying to write a page about The Beatles and having to call it The Beatle. There is an erroneous link through from the Altadis page where all their brands are listed and the brand is also spelled wrongly as Gauloise there. I don't know how to edit that heading.CliftonDown 14:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Availability

In mid 2003 the Gauloises brand was discontinued entirely in the USA. Remaining inventory carried through into early 2004.

Is there a citation for this, or any indeed cite at all for the discontinuation of the brand from the U.S. market? I can personally attest to finding Gauloises readily available at Austin, Texas stores until March 2006. Since then I've been unable to find any primary sources with details on the exit from the U.S. market. - cobra libre 20:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

French Smoking Ban

  A similar smoking ban in France, however, failed in parliament in November 2005.

I think I saw in the news recently that a smoking ban has since passed 71.41.125.210 21:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Race Car?

I am going to remove the image of the race car sponsored by this company. I feel it is misleading and inappropriate. If anything, it can be put towards the bottom of the page. For now, it is removed. --24.15.165.14 00:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• I don't know what is misleading or inappropriate about noting racing sponsorship. I plan to add this back into this article. Those against, please state your reasons. Thank you. (David Rogers (talk) 03:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC))

Pronunciation

How do you say the name? Goo-loo-a? I don't speak french, so i'm a bit lost here...

Goh-lwaz Bendž|Ť 23:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Legal environment

"...a French health insurance fund filed a 51.33 million franc lawsuit...to cover the estimated and continuing costs of treating the illnesses linked to cigarette smoking." Surely there's a mistake here; 50 million francs is only about US$10 million. Should it be 'billion'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelcrime (talk • contribs) 19:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Marketing

I am not sure why the section on "Brand history" contains mostly examples of paid corporate product placement of this product. The list of film and print appearances of the brand are nothing more than advertising. Companies pay authors and producers for such embedded product endorsement. In this case, the manufacturer attempts to promote the so-called "the romantic associations of France" with the use of this product. Examples of marketing then also continue in this article in the "trivia" section. Did the brand's sponsorship of the Prost Formula One team help improve their romantic life, or in the number of race wins? Whether the brand name appears on the side of a race car or is mentioned in a book — it is all advertising. In summary, all of these product placement examples should not be part of "brand history". At most they belong in a section called "marketing" — similar to the Camel article. — CZmarlin (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Varieties

Surely a list a varieties (which is even itself surprising in its length), is a perfectly valid addition? While I fully agree that a commercial source should not be used, I'd suggest at least looking for a better source, and re-instating the list, without the existing ref, and adding a tag while this is done? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOT a directory. A list of product names doesn't add much of anything to the article. That list didn't illuminate the differences between any of those varieties, for example. I also don't find the length of the list isn't particularly surprising - many cigarette brands produce a large number of varieties. If Gauloises did have a particularly large number of varieties, it would be better to source that and include a line of prose about the number in the article, rather than a listing. - MrOllie (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

It adds information. There are plenty of articles on breweries, chocolate, household cleaners, etc., etc., which do just this. I wasn't suggesting we offer readers some kind of bulk mail-order discount promotion. I find your reasoning quite baffling. By all means, adding descriptions of differences between products is useful, but at least showing the range of products would be a start. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Lots of things add information, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I'm sure lots of other articles have long product lists, but that may mean that those articles, rather than this one, should change. I find your reasoning quite baffling as well. I'm sure some third party will be along sooner or later to break the logjam, there is no hurry. - MrOllie (talk) 14:09, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Quite agree, there is no deadline. I did not add the information to begin with. But I still don't see how lists of product varietes, be they of beers, chocolate bars, cleaning products, motor cars, or whatever, could be seen as "indiscriminate". And if one or more other editors agree with your conclusion, I'd suggest there will be quite a large resultant impact on the work necessary to "clean up" all those other articles. You haven't really addressed the question of whether or not the source(s) of this information has any bearing on its suitability for inclusion. And a rhetorical question, which one might offer as an example here, could be this - "Were Gauloises ever produced in an unfiltered Virginia tobacco variety, and if so what were they called?" - where might one expect to find a reliable answer to such a question, if not in this article? Maybe you think the names don't count, as they are French? In fact any such list might also useful contain tar values for each different variety. I imagine that such information is required by law to be in the public domain, even in France. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Mentions

The brand (and specifically "gauloises bleues") is mentioned in France Gall's 1976 Serge Gainsbourg penned song "Les Petits Ballons" - if anyone thinks this has a place in the article. 31.168.200.116 (talk) 09:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Possibly. I guess many songs mention cigarette brand names. Do you have a source? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 8 May 2016 (UTC) "Ah, Gitanes"?

Since the article mentions a poem which includes the brand name, I thought this might be of interest too... but leaving it for more experienced Wikipedia editors to decide. :) The actual song can be found on youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upY9fIO63yE. The lyrics can be found here - http://www.paroles-musique.com/paroles-France_Gall-Les_Petits_Ballons-lyrics,p12954. And I guess that it was actually released in 1972, according to this - https://www.discogs.com/France-Gall-Frankenstein-Les-Petits-Ballons/release/1074134. 31.168.200.116 (talk) 11:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for those links. Maybe I'm more experienced, but am also a well-known trivia fan. So even if I add it, it may not survive for long. The singer appears to be having some issues with her small balloons? Google translate gives us this: " There is not nothing scares me, More than the fire kisses, More than cartridges, Blue Gauloises, But what touches me the most, Leaves me like an icicle." So it looks like the cigarettes have quite an effect on her? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Yep, that's what I got, too. Ain't a native French speaker either... ;) 31.168.200.116 (talk) 14:33, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Disque Bleu

Should Disque Bleu have a separate article? Some vintage poster images here:

• Gauloises, Disque bleu avec filtre = Pureté
• AFFICHE PUB ANCIENNE CIGARETTES GITANES GAULOISES DISQUE BLEU SEITA FIX MASSEAU
• Gauloises Disque Bleu 1957 d'après Bernard Villemot
• Vintage Posters

Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Marcel Jacno

hello! I am not a skilled enough wikipedian to link the cigarette photo to the French Wikipedia page for Marcel Jacno, but the page exists and it seems appropriate given his connection to the brand. 2603:800C:3D00:1ED2:85FB:E77B:3F8:EBBA (talk) 05:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I believe there's already a picture there – fr:Marcel Jacno. Nythar (💬-🍀) 05:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)