Talk:Gothenburg Book Fair

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. There seemed to be two issues here. First changing 'ö' to 'o' which appeared to be unopposed. The second being 'Gothenburg' vs. 'Goteburg'. Consensus was clearly for the former with backing by reliable sources. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Göteborg Book Fair → Gothenburg Book Fair – As far as I can tell, "Gothenburg Book Fair" appears to be the slightly more common name, even if it's not the official name. I get 32 gnews results for "Gothenburg Book Fair", compared to 23 for "Göteborg Book Fair" (and a few of those aren't English). Another reason to favour moving the article is that it would make it more consistent with Gothenburg, which is the accepted English common name of the city. Jenks24 (talk) 19:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support, sheepishly, since I kinda provoked the discussion with this fanfare. Meanwhile, back at the cyber ranch, I have redone the Google Book searches getting 196 for "Göteborg" vs. 339 for "Gothenburg". Now it seems the only counter-argument is that the fair's own English-language website uses "Göteborg", but we don't usually give much weight to the subject's own opinion. Favonian (talk) 20:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support. The city is at Gothenburg, and the city is far more notable than the fair. Britannica gives "Gothenburg", as does Frommer's Scandinavia. Kauffner (talk) 23:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
  • IMHO the appeal to the common name of the city does not hold, as this fair is its own event, and has clearly chosen the name 'Goteburg' perhaps in honor of their Swedish hosts... We don't title the article about Peking Union Medical College as Beijing Union Medical College just because Beijing is the accepted common name of the city. this discussion is about the name of the fair, not the name of the city. --Karl.brown (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
• Don't support. 'Goteburg Book Fair' is the official title of the fair. A difference of 23 vs 32 doesn't seem like it should be a deciding factor - I think the organizer's own choice of calling the fair 'Goteburg' should be given more weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl.brown (talk • contribs) 14:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I agree that 23 v 32 is not a large majority, but take a look at Favonian's comment which shows 339 to 196 in favour of Gothenburg. Jenks24 (talk) 20:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. I get 257 (197 deghosted) post-1990 English-language Google Book hits for "Gothenburg Book Fair", 101 (67 deghosted) for "Goteborg Book Fair". Kauffner (talk) 01:04, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I think there are issues with these numbers. If you dig into the search results, for both "Gothenburg" and "Goteburg" you only get about 2 or 3 pages of real 'hits' - the other hits I can't see how it matches the search string - searching the books themselves after page 3 directly gives no hits. So I'm not sure why google even shows them as hits. Nonetheless, perhaps it is fair to say that a small majority still seems to use Gothenburg, but those numbers are rather close (in the case I looked at, i found about 20 books matching "goteborg", and 29 books truly matching "gothenburg"). I'd say, why not stick with the name that is printed on all of the signs, the official website, etc. I don't think pure numbers is sufficient, there is also judgment at play here. Wait, can someone remind me why I'm even worrying about this? --Karl.brown (talk) 02:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
    • A lot of children's books like Pippi Longstocking pop up, although I am pretty sure there was no "Pippi Goes to the Gothenburg Book Fair" episode. I wonder if these books contain some notation about being sold or displayed at the fair. Kauffner (talk) 05:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
      • That's what I thought too - just i couldn't find it. Does google search text that it doesn't subsequently display? even for books which you can search, the book fair doesn't show up after page 3. --Karl.brown (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
        • Google doesn't display everything for copyright reasons. So, yes, they search a lot more than they display. The first page has the results they expect you to find most useful. Kauffner (talk) 16:24, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.