Talk:Jan Wong

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This entry lacks balance. It appears to be an ad hominin attack on Wong. Whatever the merits of her analysis of the shooting at Montreal's Dawson College, her comments in respect of the race based nature of Quebec society is very real. It is a topic, similar to Muslim extremism, that people are afraid to comment upon because of a hostile, and perhaps violent, reaction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.228.248.186 (talk • contribs)

what do you mean by race based nature? Quebec (and especially Montreal where the three shootings happened) is a very diverse and inclusive society... There has not been any violent reactions to Jan Wong's comments (or those of Diane Francis or Laferty, or Barbara Kay). Even Prime Minister Harper condemned her comments. Jack Jedwab, a respected Anglophone Montreal Jew was on the radio with her, arguing against her (in my opinion not racist, but just plain ignorant) views, just this Monday. As federalist editorialist André Pratte put it in his response letter to the Globe and Mail (Sept 20, 2006): "separatists in Quebec already have started to use the article to bolster their case, deploring the insulting perception of Quebec society held by English Canadians. When such a suggestion as Jan Wong’s appears in print, federalists like myself are hard put to contradict them."

The material you complain of is unsourced and can be removed if no reliable source is provided. Fred Bauder 21:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Story "Get Under the Desk"
• Comment by Richard Guay
• Comment by Lucie Lévesque
• Comment by Daniel M. Weinstock and Elizabeth Elbourne
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On Wikipedia we would call comments such as Jan Wong made "original research" and delete them, see Wikipedia:No original research. Fred Bauder 21:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Beyond your biased judgement on the situation, how the bloody hell can you compare the fear of islamist murderous terrorism in a post 9/11 world with any reaction whatsoever expected of contemporary Quebec? The modern Quebec where protest is peaceful and democratic. This is the New Racism in some parts of English Canada: the racist attacks that use the deceitful tactic of accusing the other of racism themselves, therefor rendering their own denunciation of racism as repetitive and non-potent. The article does not lack balance or consist of an ad hominem attack in the case of the passage on the Controversy. It states that: Jan Wong wrote an article. She drew a link. It was denounced. Those are all facts. If you don't like how it looks like, maybe you're starting to understand it.

Stating that people are afraid to comment is ludicrous: horrors of Quebec defamation showing no restraint have been written in newspapers of Toronto, New York, Germany, etc., tarnishing its reputation in a fashion that is called: Oppression. The thing is that the only distinct status these people give to Quebec is a distinct status about a right to drag it into the mud and kick it in the teeth as most other ethnic groups would never be allowed to be, to see it as endemically incapable of most civilized things except having nice-looking European cities and to consider it as the only people on the face of this earth for which seeking or maintaining simple sovereignty/autonomy or actually not wanting their culture to be wiped out is illegitimate. --Liberlogos 03:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sources

It is more convenient for most of our readers if you link to references in English. Fred Bauder 12:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is this addressed to, Fred? I have added one in English and Montrealais one in French. --Liberlogos 12:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Obviously to whoever used the source in French. Still a good source, though. Fred Bauder 12:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was useful as a primary source (i.e. an article directed at Wong). - Montréalais 06:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

The user who added the NPOV template did not explain the reasons here and the arguments of User:64.228.248.186 have here been refuted. Do we remove the NPOV template? What is NPOV in the article? --Liberlogos 06:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the unsourced material on Tibet and the POV template. Fred Bauder 10:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Good. About Tibet, the material can be left with a 'sources required' banner-template, so we give it a chance to be proven or disproven. --Liberlogos 19:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

No, unsourced negative material must be removed from biographies of living persons; removal is exempt from 3RR. Fred Bauder 21:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Banned in China

I keep hearing from my chinese professor that because of her critical writing on China, she is now banned from entry there. Is this a fact? I find it interesting, and useful in the whole issue of China's censorship and lack of freedom of the press. 74.99.17.52 13:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hard to say. She has been back but I think she may have not disclosed the whole story when she was admitted. (Probably just used her married name). You certainly won't find Red China Blues in most libraries there. I think her husband has looked at the articles. He might respond to you if he sees this. Fred Bauder 13:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

POV (and possibly libelous) material removed. Spoonkymonkey (talk) 23:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Change Ideals?

"Not being one to stick to her ideals" strikes me as POV. Instead of "Wong became tired of Party ideology and returned to Canada from Beijing," how about: "After living a few more years in China, Wong left earlier ideals behind and returned to Canada."? ch (talk) 19:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Published Works

There was no mention of Wong's book A Comrade Lost and Found: A Beijing Memoir listed with her published works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.16.121 (talk) 15:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody who knows Jan Wong write a proper article?

I came to this article having read Wong’s three books on China. Beyond the stitching together of a few biographical facts, this entry is pretty much the worst entry I have ever read on Wikipedia for somebody with real accomplishments. I don’t question the inclusion of her infamous article on the Dawson murders or any other controversial material, but why not mention the hundreds of articles she has written on China? How about her accomplishments?

There is absolutely no respect or even acknowledgement that much (if not most) of her writing career has been focused on China. Wong also is known as an author with extensive personal and professional expertise and understanding of China from the Cultural Revolution to the present day. She is an expert on the Tiananmen Square massacre having personally witnessed the whole bloodbath and writing about it for many years after. No mention is made that her books are widely read, and that her expertise and opinions on China are much sought after. She is cited several times on Wikipedia's excellent article on the the Tiananmen massacre.

Here are a few examples found with a simple Google search:

http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/oldcontent/s2464921.htm?site=widebay http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/interviews/wong.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_mallick/20071112.html

From her publisher: http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780385663595

She is the recipient of a (US) George Polk Award, the New England Women’s Press Association Newswoman of the Year Award, the (Canadian) National Newspaper Award and a Lowell Thomas Travel Journalism Silver Medal, among other honours for her reporting. Wong has also written for The New York Times, The Gazette in Montreal, The Boston Globe and The Wall Street Journal.

Jan Wong is not some gossip column bimbo and at least deserves a balanced entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.69.212 (talk) 03:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

This article is embarrassingly bad. Why is she referred to as "The Maoist" in the first section? The article is hard to understand and really does not provide a good balanced source of information.

I would rewrite but I don't have the writing skills or knowledge to do so. Ergosteur (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Reputation

"However, in pushing the envelope on denunciation, Wong had earned a reputation for gratuitous and opportunistic nastiness in pursuit of copy.[7]" How does a single opinion piece constitute a reputation? Kinsella never says she has a reputation, he tries to give her one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.16.187 (talk) 18:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

"She is the daughter of Montreal businessman Bill Wong...."

If it is appropriate to mention this, why not her husband and sons, if not necessarily by name and present circumstances? She does mention them in past columns, and collection of them, after all, so it hardly seems an intrusion. Masalai (talk) 06:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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