Talk:Lady Gregory

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• This article is part of WikiProject Irish literature. See that page for further information—Preceding unsigned comment added by Filiocht (talk • contribs) 13:01, 15 September 2004 (UTC)

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Isabella Augusta Gregory (March 5, 1852 - May 22, 1932), better known simply as Lady Gregory, was an Irish dramatist.

She was born Isabella Augusta Persse in Roxborough, County Galway. She married Sir William Henry Gregory in 1880 and was widowed in 1892. With W B Yeats, she co-founded the Abbey Theatre, Dublin, and wrote numerous short works for its players, including:

Works

The works of Lady Gregory marked with (e-book) are freely availables in electronic form from Project Gutenberg. Follow the link, if you wish to retrieve them:

• Spreading the News (1904)
• The Rising of the Moon (1907)
• The Kiltartan Poetry Book (e-book)
• The Kiltartan History Book (e-book)
• New Irish Comedies (e-book)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Filiocht (talk • contribs) 16:16, 4 November 2004 (UTC)

Date of birth

A worrying number of sources says she was born 5 March 1852. How can we be sure she was born 15 March? -- JackofOz (talk) 11:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Forbidding mother

This early introduction may have had a greater impact on her than it otherwise would because the house had no library and her mother ... forbade her to read novels until she was 18.

Can we have a cite for this? It's slightly contrary to what is written in a Master's thesis online: "Although Augusta never received any formal education, she learned to read by sitting in on her brothers' lessons, and she read voraciously. In her early teens she particularly enjoyed "Fenian books," which were collections of ballads written for the Young Irelanders ...[and]... epics like Sir Thomas Mallory's Morte D'Arthur."[1] DrKiernan (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted, I removed the claim. Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.101.134.34 (talk) 02:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Friendship with W.B. Yeats

I see almost no mention of her friendship with Yeats -- wasn't she his patron (or would it be matron)? I took several Irish Literature classes with Maureen Waters at CUNY Queens College, and she often spoke of the closeness between them. --Magmagirl (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand. Yeats is mentioned throughout the article. DrKiernan (talk) 13:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but not in the context of a close personal friendship. --Magmagirl (talk) 14:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

She did have a close relationship with yeats. He frequently visites her at coole and mentions him extensively in her diaries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.155.160 (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

So, do you have any reliable sources for this? If so we could add some details. Without it we can't verify it. ww2censor (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Missing ref and other stuff

I fixed a broken link to the Coole Park website. Unfortunately, I noticed that it does not—and according to wayback machine never did—say anything about her possessions having been auctioned off. Anyone with another source for that?

Also, since this is a FA, my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it with unwanted clutter without a discussion. :-) I came on an excerpt of a text by Yeats called "Dramatis Personae" in which he describes Lady Gregory, her family and Coole House in some detail. For example, we could add that among her nephews were Hugh Lane and John Shawe-Taylor [[2]], that she had two sisters and seven brothers. Yeats also notes that Persse is a form of Percy and that the family is descended from a Duke of Northumbria (along with a quaint legend how they came to dwell at Roxborough). Any thoughts on this?

Finally, there is this review in a journal [[3]] which contains some additional info on the Persse family, e.g. the name of her father and that it was a very protestant household. Drow69 (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

The title of this article should be "Lady Gregory"

Lady Gregory’s how she's widely known, and it’s how she had her name published as book author on the title page. The name Augusta is a middle name that she liked to use. She copyrighted her works as Lady Augusta Gregory, and sometimes as Lady Gregory. A search of Wikipedia for Lady Gregory leads directly to this article. See Wikipedia:Article titles - GümsGrammatiçus (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Not so sure. The Britannica article is titled "Augusta, Lady Gregory" and leads with the name "Isabella Augusta, Lady Gregory". Don't hold a lot of faith on internal Wiki searches; the engine is famously poor and misleading. Ceoil (talk) 03:20, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

She is widely known as "Lady Gregory" on the covers and title-pages of the many books she's written, including her autobiography, in published letters written to her, in articles, reviews, and in biographies and books about her. (William Butler Yeats in his book Essays and Introductions: "… when I went from cottage to cottage with Lady Gregory and watched her hand recording that great collection she has called Visions and Beliefs…" James Joyce in a book review: “… Lady Gregory has truly set forth the old age of her country…"

"Wikipedia:Article titles" says: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. … the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable; and resembles titles for similar articles".

The Britannica example appears to be an outlier, but of course, they have their own manual-of-style for titling articles, which is different from Wikipedia’s. Yet even in the text of that article she's referred to as "Lady Gregory". In the print edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica the article is titled "Gregory, Lady", and in that article she's referred to as "Lady Gregory".GümsGrammatiçus (talk) 13:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 11 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet 18:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Augusta, Lady Gregory → Lady Gregory – The subject of this article is known far-and-wide as "Lady Gregory". It is by far most common. That’s how her name appears on the title pages and the covers of the books she has authored, which can be seen if you click on the blue links in this article's Published Works section — in all of them she is referred to as Lady Gregory. In her autobiography, Our Irish Theatre: A Chapter of Autobiography she is referred to as "Lady Gregory" by herself and others including George Bernard Shaw, William Butler Yeats and Theodore Roosevelt. Recent books and articles refer to her as "Lady Gregory", including (to name only one) Lady Gregory: an Irish Life, by Judith Hill, (2011). "Wikipedia:Article titles" says: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. … the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable". I agree and think this article should follow that guidance. GümsGrammatiçus (talk) 17:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, per WP:COMMONNAME and per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom, and almost all major sources, then or now, and absolutely in line with WP:COMMONNAME and titling policies. The current article title is a tortured formality, and serves only to confuse readers; any unclarity of naming can be discussed in the text. SeoR (talk) 21:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support for all the reasons above. Güms' arguments are convincing. Agree with SeoR re "tortured ", and would add "pretentious". Ceoil (talk) 02:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.