Talk:Land speed racing

Meet me in the middle?

I'm proposing a merge of the moto record & this page because, at bottom, the moto record is a subset of this page: it's another class record. I'd also bring the absolute record under the umbrella of this page. If it turned out the moto absolute record needed to be spun off, so be it; I'd be left wondering what happens to all the "less than top rank" records in that case. Given this page, at least a merge would provide someplace to put those. (Land speed racing is such a broad subject, what do you do with pages already in place except propose a merge?) TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 15:26, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose Motorcycle land-speed record currently has more than enough content to justify a stand-alone article. It stands to grow quite a bit when we include subclasses of motorcycle speed records, such as IM 1000 P-P aka Production 1000cc class. Burt Munro's records don't appear here because we only list the highest class, not the subclass he ran in. As far as adding motorcycles to other land speed record pages, by all means, add them. But we should continue to maintain and expand Motorcycle land-speed record. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

If the top-level record(s) remained there, I wouldn't complain, as with the absolute LSR; the other class records, IMO, do belong here, as the "parent" page. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 19:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

• • Oppose Of course its a class record, just like F1 is a class of motorsports, should we combine those? I'm rather more concerned about the way categories are being transformed than whatever is currently a subset of whatever on wikipedia at the moment. I'm also amazed that this page "Land speed racing" whatever on-earth that is supposed to mean has managed to remain unchallenged with such a narrow focus so far! Mighty Antar (talk) 18:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

♠"with such a narrow focus"? Do you really not get it? This is (or should be) the umbrella page for every other land speed record page, including the moto LSR & absolute LSR pages. Land speed racing is not limited to the much-publicised absolute record attempts...

♠And F1 is not a "class" of NASCAR or Group C, so that proposition is nonsensical; the moto LSR, OTOH, is run under the same rules as the cars, & by the same organization. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 21:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

♠ F1, NASCAR & Group C are all forms of motorsport. Regulations for international speed records for wheeled vehicles have been established and developed over many years by many independent authorities (principally the FIA and the FIM with regard to automotive or motorcycle world records) but many others for the almost infinite number of variations of wheeled vehicles and methods of propulsion. Land Speed racing is a massive topic, this article is not and simply merging it with the Motorcycle Land Speed Record page may make this article bigger, but otherwise makes no sense whatsoever and will significantly diminishes the potential value of both. Please continue to expand this article, but don't make the mistake of not recognising the massive significance of the difference between vehicle categories and regulation classes. List of vehicle speed records may help. Mighty Antar (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Nonsense. If you believe F1 & NASCAR are simply "variants", I invite you to propose merging them. I'm suggesting this page, as I've said, as an umbrella for discussing everything to do with setting any land speed record, of any kind, which is the working definition of what land speed racing is. If that means a subsection on the motorcycle records & a link out to an existing page, so be it. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 08:00, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not clear about the point of this page.

There's a land speed record article elsewhere on Wikipedia that actually acknowledges that a world exists outside the United States. This page misleads by omission. Land speed attempts began before 1930 and other countries than the USA and France have been involved. Perhaps rename this to US land speed racing? 31.53.97.166 (talk) 10:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)