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editThe section "Syrian occupation" (and much of the rest of the article) is one sided WP:POV based in partisan and WP:fringe sources. Either it needs to be removed or made less biased (some of it is even about events that happened long after Syria left Lebanon in 2005). Believe it or not, other factions than Syria also mass murdered and assassinated people. On top of that, it is dubious whether this should even be a standalone article to begin with. FunkMonk (talk) 20:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- Who are the other fractions that committed massacres in North Lebanon other than France and Syria? there is no one sided bias, it's Syria's history in North Lebanon, feel free to tell me what events didn't happen? VipModz (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- To take one notable example, the Ehden massacre perpetrated by Christians against other Christians (which you seem to be adding unsourced POV material to:[1]). Considering you've used the website of the Lebanese Forces as source, one of the most notorious militias of the Lebanese civil war, I can't see how this entire section isn't just a WP:POV fork for material that should really be dumped at the Syrian occupation of Lebanon article with better sources. It certainly doesn't belong in an otherwise very short article about a general region. Pinging other subject area editors for comment, Jopsach, Charles Essie, Savipolo, Al Ameer son. FunkMonk (talk) 21:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- To add to the above, 'French occupation' is not much better. French occupation info should be rewritten ideally with English-language sources, trimmed of the list of "martyrs" (not neutral language) and relocated to the article on Tripoli. The Syrian occupation is a short list of incidents and attacks by, or supported by, the Syrian authorities in a couple different places in 'North Lebanon'. The Education section lists a couple of universities in this region that are among the "best" in the country. More importantly, while there is good reason, in my view, to have articles about the historic/geographic/cultural regions of Akkar or Jabal Akkar, Koura (Kura), Dinniyeh, and Bsharri (Jubbat Bsharri), this article looks like borderline original research, in addition to being written in a biased manner. For the administrative or electoral information, the appropriate article is North Governorate. Al Ameer (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Southern Lebanon is written in the same way and none of you seemed to complain. VipModz (talk) 14:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- unsourced pov in Ehden Massacre? if you're not knowledgeable about the Qaa Massacre the resourced events I added do your own research instead of lying and claiming it's unsourced pov VipModz (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ehden massacre* Qaa massacre* VipModz (talk) 14:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- I did add the source but I guess your blind hatred for me didn't allow you to see correctly, @FunkMonk VipModz (talk) 14:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- You added claims to the Ehden article without source initially, and was already reverted by Egeymi over it there. As for the Southern Lebanon article, I don't see a long list of Israel's many atrocities there during their occupation citing biased sources, so I'm not sure what your point is of bringing it up. FunkMonk (talk) 14:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- after it was reverted the source was added, so your initial claim is nonsense. I meant Southern Lebanon talks about geographical region which @Al Ameer son criticized North Lebanon for. also Southern Lebanon has an entire section "Ahmadinejad's state visit" that's not even sourced yet you're not complaining there but you're constantly complaining here. VipModz (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that visit is hardly relevant in an article that short, but this here article is in much worse shape. FunkMonk (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Highlighting foreign entities occupation and massacres in a specific Geographical location makes the article in a "worse shape"? VipModz (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've already explained the problems with how it is done in this article, see above. This is not the place for such minute details, especially when one sided and badly sourced. FunkMonk (talk) 15:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Highlighting foreign entities occupation and massacres in a specific Geographical location makes the article in a "worse shape"? VipModz (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that visit is hardly relevant in an article that short, but this here article is in much worse shape. FunkMonk (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- after it was reverted the source was added, so your initial claim is nonsense. I meant Southern Lebanon talks about geographical region which @Al Ameer son criticized North Lebanon for. also Southern Lebanon has an entire section "Ahmadinejad's state visit" that's not even sourced yet you're not complaining there but you're constantly complaining here. VipModz (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- You added claims to the Ehden article without source initially, and was already reverted by Egeymi over it there. As for the Southern Lebanon article, I don't see a long list of Israel's many atrocities there during their occupation citing biased sources, so I'm not sure what your point is of bringing it up. FunkMonk (talk) 14:02, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- I did add the source but I guess your blind hatred for me didn't allow you to see correctly, @FunkMonk VipModz (talk) 14:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ehden massacre* Qaa massacre* VipModz (talk) 14:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- To add to the above, 'French occupation' is not much better. French occupation info should be rewritten ideally with English-language sources, trimmed of the list of "martyrs" (not neutral language) and relocated to the article on Tripoli. The Syrian occupation is a short list of incidents and attacks by, or supported by, the Syrian authorities in a couple different places in 'North Lebanon'. The Education section lists a couple of universities in this region that are among the "best" in the country. More importantly, while there is good reason, in my view, to have articles about the historic/geographic/cultural regions of Akkar or Jabal Akkar, Koura (Kura), Dinniyeh, and Bsharri (Jubbat Bsharri), this article looks like borderline original research, in addition to being written in a biased manner. For the administrative or electoral information, the appropriate article is North Governorate. Al Ameer (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- To take one notable example, the Ehden massacre perpetrated by Christians against other Christians (which you seem to be adding unsourced POV material to:[1]). Considering you've used the website of the Lebanese Forces as source, one of the most notorious militias of the Lebanese civil war, I can't see how this entire section isn't just a WP:POV fork for material that should really be dumped at the Syrian occupation of Lebanon article with better sources. It certainly doesn't belong in an otherwise very short article about a general region. Pinging other subject area editors for comment, Jopsach, Charles Essie, Savipolo, Al Ameer son. FunkMonk (talk) 21:54, 1 April 2023 (UTC)