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NHL participation

This article states that NHL players were first allowed to participate in the 1998 Nagano Olympics, however I think that's just a commonly held misconception. Pros (meaning NHLers) were first allowed to take part in the 1988 Olympics in Calgary, but back then they had to be graciously released by their club teams as the NHL did not pause during the Olympics. 1998 was the first year the NHL suspended its regular season schedule in order to allow all of its players the chance to be selected. However, since the topic of NHLers in the Olympics is mentioned in the context of the pro/amateur debate, I think 1988 should be the date featured in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2E96:BA90:618D:4334:EE5:3EF (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

More than 200 countries compete?

How is this possible? Every source I looked at says there are between 193 and 197 countries in the world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.102.103.84 (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

There are various overseas territories, e.g. Hong Kong, Puerto Rico, Bermuda, which aren't technically countries but send athletes to the Olympics. --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 22:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, but doesn't that by definition make this statement untrue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.102.103.84 (talk) 22:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Possibly, but country doesn't necessarily mean "sovereign state". The Kingdom of the Netherlands and the United Kingdom both call their principal divisions countries, for example. Perhaps it's more accurate to say something like "there are 204 regional entities with National Olympic Committees" but I'm not sure it would be very clear, and the text of the article does explain the difference. --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 22:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Again, fair enough. And may I say it's nice to have finally had a conversation in a Wikipeida talk page that was concise, well ordered and reasonable! :) 96.43.237.241 (talk) 13:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

A totally ridiculous statement

The article says: "Following its completion, he ([Hercules]) walked in a straight line for 200 steps and called this distance a "stadion" (Greek: στάδιον, Latin: stadium, "stage"), which later became a unit of distance". What does the purported Latin meaning of a Greek word, latinized many centuries ex post facto, have to do with anything?? The statement as written implies that a mythical hero somehow had foreknowledge of what a word of his native language would come to mean in another language before that language actually existed! This is totally ridiculous. The word stádion is a derivative of the verb hístamai, "I stand". Thus it probably referred either to the length of the spectator "stands", or to the fact that runners took a standing start, as opposed to a flying start. Liddell-Scott-Jones only acknowledges its standard, "post-Olympic" meaning as a measure of the length of the footrace. The meaning of a derivative in Classical Latin, Medieval English or modern French is immaterial!
Interestingly enough, a stádion-length race run barefoot on dirt probably took about 25 seconds of all-out sprinting. This coincides with the anaerobic fatigue threshold. The ancient Greeks must have observed that this was about the maximum distance over which a human would sustain running at full speed. Modern-day world-class sprinters manage 200 meters at around 20 seconds, albeit wearing shoes with spikes, running on special polymer surfaces, standing about 15 cm taller than the ancients on average, and enjoying all the advantages of nutrition and modern science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.59.197.210 (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Have another look at the sentence and compare it with your quotation. There's a fairly crucial difference, isn't there? --Lo2u ^{(T • C)} 06:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Flag icons

What is going on with the flag icons? Is an editor trying to get rid of them? For example, the South Korean one has been blanked out for some time now. Others, in other such subjects, are going through the same thing. Rockies77 (talk) 03:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out that the "Symbols" section has a minor error

It says "oceana" not "oceania". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoshanish (talk • contribs) 05:03, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks! Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 05:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 April 2013

Please add the following additional sources for the inception date for the Ancient Olympics (footnote 10, in the current version).

Christesen, P. (2009). Whence 776? The origin of the date for the first Olympiad. International Journal of the History of Sport, 26(2), 161-182. (DOI:10.1080/09523360802511029).

Christesen, P. (2012). When were the first Olympics? Significance, 9(2), 37-39. (DOI: 10.1111/j.1740-9713.2012.00560.x) 46.208.113.12 (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Why? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:41, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible "boycotts" error

The section begins with "Australia, France, Great Britain and Switzerland are the only countries to be represented at every Olympic Games since their inception in 1896" and 3 sentence in it states that "There were three boycotts of the 1956 Melbourne Olympics: Netherlands, Spain, and Switzerland refused to attend because of the repression of the Hungarian uprising by the Soviet Union."

If Switzerland refused to attend, how were they represented at every event since 1896? DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 02:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Also there another error: "Australia, France, Great Britain and Switzerland are the only countries to be represented at every Olympic Games since their inception in 1896. While countries sometimes miss an Olympics due to a lack of qualified athletes, some choose to boycott a celebration of the Games for various reasons."

Greece first competed at the Olympic Games in 1896, and have competed in all Games since then. They are one of five countries to have been represented at all Summer Olympic Games (the others are Great Britain, France, Switzerland and Australia). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.222.209 (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

• Not really an error because the text lists those four contries as the only countries to be represented at every Olympic Games, which would include both Summer and Winter. Greece has not been at every Winter Olympics. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 20:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Update?

Some sections have to be updated with data from the last games (ie. dopping section). I did so with the Sex discrimination section, but there is more work to do.--Arnaugir (talk) 11:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

You make a good point. I've started working on some updates. It'll take a while but I'll get through it. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 20:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok I've made several updates, perhaps a few more to go, I'll have to read through the article. But at least we're on our way. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 17:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it's pretty well updated. It could stand a thorough copy edit, which I'll have to undertake at a later date, but thank you for pointing out that it needed a "freshening up". H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 00:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, H1nkles, good work! I will adapt your tweaks to the Catalan version which will hopefully become FA :)--Arnaugir (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Great that's exciting! Good luck. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 13:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Switch names!!

It is THIS article that should be named "Modern Olympic Games", and the one currently called Ancient that should simply be named "Olympic Games"! Since the former is a REVIVAL, or rather an imitation, of the latter, which was the ORIGINAL EVENT, and therefore should carry the actual name. Everything else would be contrary to encyclopedic practise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.156.126.230 (talk) 00:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 September 2013

Simply a grammatical fix. Under section 8.3 "Controversies: Use of performance enhancing drugs" The second sentence should read "In 1904, Thomas Hicks, a gold medalist for the marathon..."

Currently, a hyphen is used instead of a comma after Hicks' name. 50.168.49.129 (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Done with thanks, NiciVampireHeart 10:25, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA IS IN DANGER

Spain is banned in International Olimpic Comitee flag listing in ca.wikipedia.org WHY?

Please HELP. Minority secessionism in north of Catalonia is subsidizing indoctrinating edits in ca.wikipedia.org

Barcelona'92 was hosted in Spain, of course and Olympic Comitee says it too, but Spanish flag in international listings is forbidden in "ultranationalist Wikipedia" (ca.wikipedia.org). This awful method of indoctrination is the beggining of a war in Catalonia because crazy local governor wants a "Catalan Army" in wikipedia to fight against non-violent catalan, peaceful people. The rest of catalan speaking territories citizens are unable to edit cawiki due to violent ultranationalism.

Secessionist minority cabal of admins created a bot to avoid people to put the official name of Valencian Community (Comunitat Valenciana in Catalan language) now, you can read the fantasy name "valencian country" or "valencian state".

In football, basquet, sports, the spanish players in international games cannot be spanish. It's prohibited in ca.wikipedia.org

Castilla Kingdom and Aragon Kingdom joined into one country called SPAIN. But nazionalism in wikipedia is changing history. Now, they invent nonsenses (ugly spaniards are bad and oppressors, Catalonia are fair and beautiful) and continue calling Castilla and Catalonia two separate states after Kingdom of Spain. And ¡they invented "Catalan states" of "Catalan Countries" and made official! (it's like if I say "Marlboro State" is a new State of USA) they make sections in official international listings with regional things. Please there is a massive bias in that wikipedia in catalan language (Not "wikipedia of little region of secessionist region of North Catalonia: Valencian, Balearic, and anybody who speaks catalan too are banned"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.158.205.136 (talk) 06:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

If you have comments to make about the Catalan Wikipedia, you need to address the comments there. We here, at the English Wikipedia, do not control what is done on another language's Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 12:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Since this isn't about improving this article, we should delete it. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Judging in the Olympic Games

I was watching the Winter Olympic games on TV tonight (I'm in Australia) and I started to wonder about the judges in the Olympics. I tried to find information on Wikipedia, and then the internet at large, but can't seem to find much information at all.. at least localised information. I was intrigued about which events had judges, and the different types of judging there is (point givers like in gymnastics and skating; overlookers and minimal participants like in running races; referees etc.). I also wanted to know how the judges were picked - what sorts of people do they get to judge these events? And do they have to take a test or something? How tdo they ensure they are not biased toward their country? I managed to find numerous controversies surrounding the judging of certain events. Here's a bunch of links that may be useful. May I suggest an article or seciton be created on this topic? [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6].

P.S. I am well aware of WP:BOLD but I really don't think I'm the best person for the job.--Coin945 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Torch relay promotes Nazism?

Right now the section on Olympic symbols reads: "Though the flame has been an Olympic symbol since 1928, the torch relay was introduced at the 1936 Summer Games, as part of the German government's attempt to promote its National Socialist ideology.[104]" The source provided supports the year but not the assertion that the torch relay was intended to promete Nazism. Therefore, I am removing the statement. Feel free to replace it if anyone can source it. Stevecudmore (talk) 19:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Language of the Olympics

In the article is mentions that English and French are the official languages of the olympics. I was hoping this could be extended to explain why this is the case. Also (at least in the Sochi 2014 opening ceremony) French is used first followed by English followed by Russian, is there a reason for this or is the ordering arbitrary? Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Because English is the most spoken language internationally, and French the language of Baron Coubertin. Also in Athens 2004, the French language was used first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.251.23.122 (talk) 14:10, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Nazi Germany flag points to the Germany page?

Im wondering why the Nazi Germany Flag points to the "Germany" site but the word "Germany" after the flag points to the Nazi Germany page. Is there any reason why? Tock46 (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree the links should be switched, the destinations are not what the user expects when they click on them. I tried to change this but I don't know enough about {{flag icon}}... Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 19:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Done 97rob (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Language in "Reasons for changing citizenship"

The language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games#Reasons_for_changing_citizenship is not very readable. Someone who knows what's actually meant should clean it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.195.127.165 (talk) 12:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Done 97rob (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Fix wording in third paragraph of main page

This sentence does not make sense; "the each" is improper.

"As the decision-making body, the IOC chooses the each celebration of the Games' host city, which organizes and funds the Games according to the Olympic Charter." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stealthmidget (talk • contribs) 03:17, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Done Already completed 97rob (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hatnote

Please add the following hatnote, already used on Winter Olympic Games:

For the Winter Games currently being played in Sochi, Russia, see 2014 Winter Olympics.

Thanks 67.100.127.181 (talk) 22:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. I integrated it into the existing hatnote. Rivertorch (talk) 07:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it just me or does "being played" seem like awkward english? Trackinfo (talk) 08:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Not as awkward as writing the name of a language in lowercase. Seriously, though, it's grammatical and it's accurate; the games are being played. We could say "underway" instead, I suppose. Do you have other ideas? Rivertorch (talk) 16:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I would prefer "underway", as although they are both correct, it sounds more natural. 97rob (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Additional links

The History of Olympic logos https://readymag.com/shuffle/olympic-logos/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuliaGrehonina (talk • contribs) 11:12, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Olympic Games infobox for the general topic...

What happened to the infobox, about the Olympic Games in general, that was usually at the top right-hand side of the topic? Rockies77 (talk) 07:04, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2014

80.184.12.64 (talk) 11:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 13:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014

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Boycotts

The boycotts subsection of the Controversies section mentions Switzerland as one of four countries that have attended every Olympic Game event since their inception. Later in the section, Switzerland is mentioned as having boycotted the 1956 Melbourne Olympics. Could someone please correct the section to reflect accuracy? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.109.193.130 (talk) 18:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Switzerland participated in Equestrian at the 1956 Summer Olympics but boycotted the rest of the games five months later. That first sentence is a bit misleading.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Sources

Christine O'Bonsawin (2008) is cited several times in this article, particularly in the Controversies subsection "The Olympic Games as a colonial force and recommendations". However, no O'Bonsawin (2008) appears in the Sources at the bottom of the page, only O'Bonsawin (2012) and O'Bonsawin (2010). Of course this is problematic. Can whoever cited O'Bansawin (2008) add this to the list of sources please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.136.164 (talk) 17:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll guess it is from the same 1904 Anthropology Days anthology that appears several times in the Sources section. Slutswool (talk · contribs · email) added this material and could confirm.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Colonialism Part from the Controversies section...

I am concerned that this section of the Olympic Games subject will turn into an "edit war." Why is Canada mostly implicated here? What about Australia? What about China? The former USSR? Russia today? Brazil? Mexico? Japan? The UK? USA? France? Germany? Italy? Norway? Sweden? Spain? Even Greece was a colonial power way back then, during their Ancient Olympic Games run. Rockies77 (talk) 05:55, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

This is a reasonable section to have but (a) it needs to be more than Canada-focused, and (b) it should probably be summarized on the main page and have a fuller treatment at Olympic Games scandals and controversies. A worthy topic, but one not meriting this depth on the top level article. SFB 14:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely. I had toyed with the idea of simply reverting, but I didn't want to discourage coverage of an interesting topic. Rivertorch (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughtful feedback. I absolutely agree that there are colonial connections for many, if not all, of the other Games and their host countries. My goal was to give thorough and detailed information on the connections between colonialism and the Olympics. In order to do that, I needed to focus the scope of my research (I spent 2.5 months and read dozens of sources just for these four host cities!). I do think that four examples is enough (and maybe just the right amount) to justify the inclusion on the main page, and have attempted to only include information that speaks to how coloniality is structurally (not accidentally) connected to the Olympics. I also wanted to start the section, so that others can add information about other host cities and connections to colonialism. Thanks again for the discussion. Please excuse any "talk" missteps as this is my first talk post.--Slutswool (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Another thought in response to the suggestion to move it to "scandals and controversies" – I did consider this but though some of the individual events that I have described could be considered "scandals or controversies" together they illustrate a structural connection between the Olympics and colonialism. According to my research, they weren't isolated coincidental controversies, and in fact many of these events were not considered scandals but just business as usual. So, arguably, this article could be in its own section on the Olympic Games page, not filed under controversies—but I felt that might be a bit bold and presumptuous for a new editor!--Slutswool (talk) 20:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Would "2.5 months" of research and a detailed focus on one country make this WP:OR? 90.246.95.136 (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

No, that is a misinterpretation of the guideline. Original research is either facts given with no reliable references (not the case here), or a synthesis of material advancing a view point not supported by citations (also not the case here). This kind of research is actually one of the things that makes Wikipedia great – we can bring together sources to explore topics in a depth not reached elsewhere. That's what Slutswool has done here, which is to be applauded. The issue here is better described at Wikipedia:Summary style, rather than OR. SFB 09:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

It was the focus on a single country (Canada) which most concerned me- this, however inadvertently, gives the impression that Canada is particularly guilty. 92.41.103.185 (talk) 16:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

This subsection should be summarized to a length that is more in proportion with the other subsections in the Controversies section and split into a new article. See Wikipedia:Splitting. As for neutrality, there is an issue with over-reliance on a single source (and point of view) for most of the post-1904 material.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I would support this idea. The controversies section should get its own distinct article. Besides, the overall subject of the Olympic Games looks like it needs some paring down, even though this Wikipedia entry is shown as a featured article. Rockies77 (talk) 07:05, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment

There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Olympic Games

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Olympic Games's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "OR1956":

• From List of participating nations at the Winter Olympic Games: VII Olympic Winter Games Cortina d'Ampezzo 1956 Official Report (PDF). Rome: Società Grafica Romana. p. 70. Retrieved 2008-01-31.
• From List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games: The Official Report of the Organizing Committee for the Games of the XVI Olympiad Melbourne 1956 (PDF). Melbourne: The Organizing Committee of the XVI Olympiad, Melbourne, 1956. 1958. pp. 260–261. Retrieved 2008-02-04.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

The text mistakenly mentions the 1988 Winter Olympics location [Canada] instead of the Summer Olympics location [Seoul, South Korea]

Section: "Use of performance enhancing drugs"; 2nd paragraph; 2nd sentence:

CURRENT TEXT:

"The most publicized doping-related disqualification was in 1988 the Canadian Olympics where the Canadian sprinter, Ben Johnson (who won the 100-metre dash) was positive for stanozolol."

ERROR:

Ben Johnson was disqualified in the 100-metre dash at the 1988 SUMMER Olympics in Seoul, South Korea (and NOT at the 1988 Winter Olympics held earlier that same year in Calgary, Alberta, Canada).

TEXT SHOULD BE CHANGED AS FOLLOWS:

The most publicized doping-related disqualification was AT THE 1988 SEOUL Olympics where the Canadian sprinter, Ben Johnson (who won the 100-metre dash) TESTED positive for stanozolol.

Vizine (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed - Thank you for taking the time to mention the mistake. -- Moxy (talk) 16:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Full Protection edit request on 23 June 2015

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Visualization of Summer and Winter Olympic Games

Hi all, I'd like to add this visualization in the page; it's an overview of the Summer and Winter Olympic Games.

This is the first time I add something on Wikipedia, it would be helpful if you give me any advice. This is a .PDF of the visualization because I had some problems uploading the .svg file.

Thank you. --Chiara.riente (talk) 21:28, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Request of Editing

Hi, I'd like to add a visualization in the first section of this page, under the vertical navbox; it's an overview of the Summer and Winter Olympic Games.

This is the .svg file I would like to add:

Summer and Winter Olympic Games

Thank you for your attention. --Chiara.riente (talk) 13:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Done Since other editors have not objected to this request, I have added the infographic per WP:BOLD. The visual looks aesthetically great and is fairly informative. Mz7 (talk) 04:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

French translation

What is the reason for having a French translation in the first sentence of the article? Seems like an odd use of very high value article real estate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.199.254.9 (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

I think this translation is relevant because "French and English are the official languages of the Olympic Movement" according to the article itself. Caylane (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit/source Request

In the article under "Ancient Olympics" after the source for there being an Olympic Peace or Truce, there's a seemingly unsourced and random comment about the city states never stopping their wars. I request either a source to this, or for it to be removed, as it seems contradictory to the rest of the article without any proof! Eyehateq (talk) 19:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Draft outline

There's a draft for an outline of the Olympic Games at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Olympic Games if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:24, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2016

106.216.145.185 (talk) 12:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Maps

I think the maps in the sub-section "Host nations and cities" should show only the places where has hosted or are hosting a Olympic Game, but not the future ones. Or, al least, indicate that this cities will host a Olympic Game, for example, putting the year in italics.--181.27.161.19 (talk) 02:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2016

System.out.println("Arathi S");

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2016

Hannah1606 (talk) 14:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC) I would like to edit this because it is incorrect.

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2016

50.65.38.90 (talk) 04:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

During each proclamation, announcers speak in different language (French always speaks first followed by an English translation and domiant language of the host nation)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2016

50.65.38.90 (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2016

50.65.38.90 (talk) 22:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)  

Not done: it's not clear what changes you The Olympic Charter provides[14] that the person designated to open the Games should do so by reciting whichever of the following lines is appropriate:

If at the Games of the Olympiad (Summer Olympics): I declare open the Games of [name of the host city] celebrating the [ordinal number of the Olympiad] Olympiad of the modern era. If at the Winter Games: I declare open the [ordinal number] Olympic Winter Games of [name of the host city].want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:12, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2016

50.65.38.90 (talk) 22:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)  After all nations have entered, the President of the Organizing Committee makes a speech, followed by the IOC president.

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50.65.38.90 (talk) 18:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC) All other participating countries enter after Greece and before the host nation.

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Mlpearc (open channel) 18:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2017

50.65.38.90 (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

French and English are the official languages of the Olympic Movement. The other language used at each Olympic Games is the language of the host country (or languages, if a country has more than one official language apart from French or English). Every proclamation (such as the announcement of each country during the parade of nations in the opening ceremony) is spoken in these three (or more) languages, or the main two depending on whether the host country is an English or French speaking country with French always speaking first then English and the language of the host country.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:48, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Baron Pierre de Coubertin vs Evangelos Zappas (history of modern Olympic Games)

I have just found in several sources that Baron Pierre de Coubertin or IOC was not a founder of modern Olympic Games. It was actually Evangelos Zappas in 1859 (almost 40 years earlier). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelos_Zappas 1896 Games in Greece were actually not organized by Coubertin. They were organized by King of Greece (King of the Hellenes). During 1896 Games Coubertin was sort of "persona non grata". He was only present as an ordinary spectator, but not as an official or an organiser. Reason for this was that Greece was afraid that IOC will steal their national heritage by organising Olympic Games away from Greece. And this is exactly what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.194.130.57 (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2018

2.4.2 It should be "rehabilitation" instead of "rehabitation". Juju553 (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done — IVORK _Discuss 22:45, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Wrong link to the Swedish language article about Olympic games

The link from this article to the Swedish language article is directed to "Olympiska_spelen_i_Raml%C3%B6sa", but it should be directed to "Olympiska_spelen". I don't know how to change links to articles in other languages so I am hoping someone can help. Zegol (talk) 14:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

The link in Wikidata was correct, but it was being over-ridden by a malformatted link in the article text. I've corrected it in this edit. Thanks for pointing out the problem. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Cost of olympic games section has incorrect percentage explanation

Under the "Cost of Olympic Games" section, a sentence in the third paragraph reads:

"Average overrun for Games since 1960 is 156% in real terms,[72] which means that actual costs turned out to be on average 2.56 times higher than the budget that was estimated"

It's a small thing but a 156% increase means that the actual cost turned out to be on average 2.56 times the total budget, not 2.56 times HIGHER. 2.56 times higher means that $100 goes to $356, not $256. So, I think that section should read:

"Average overrun for Games since 1960 is 156% in real terms,[72] which means that actual costs turned out to be on average 1.56 times higher than the budget that was estimated" or "Average overrun for Games since 1960 is 156% in real terms,[72] which means that actual costs turned out to be on average 2.56 times the budget that was estimated" (I prefer the latter).

I would change this directly, but this article seems to be locked down.

Sorry if this is not the correct way to request a change, but I've only ever directly modified pages before and haven't encountered this semi-locked protocol.

Randy Cox--Randycoxclemson (talk) 16:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

NBC agreed to a $4.38 billion contract with the International Olympic Committee to broadcast the Olympics through the 2020 games If it goes through the 2020 games, when does the contract end? 2024 or later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.188.247 (talk) 10:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Changed the cost overrun sentence per the suggestion. Thanks for bringing that up, Randy. As for the TV contract, it's clear enough that it expires after the 2020 Olympics, which is enough detail for this article. The exact expiration date would be excessive detail, in my view. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 21 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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• Olympic Games → Olympics
• Summer Olympic Games → Summer Olympics
• Winter Olympic Games → Winter Olympics

– The proposed article titles are consistent with articles such as 2018 Winter Olympics and 2020 Summer Olympics. Although I do see some usage of the current titles such as on the Olympics website, the proposed titles are much more common in usage. 2601:183:101:58D0:C068:9483:7179:AF39 (talk) 11:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose: Olympic Games is the formal, descriptive, full title and should be left alone. "Olympics" is just an informal abbreviation of "Olympic Games" and should not be used in the title – it is introduced as the alternative term in the first sentence of the lead. The short form "Games" is frequently used throughout olympic articles, e.g. we might casually refer to the "2016 Summer Olympics" as the "2016 Games", which would become unclear if the word "Games" was removed from the title with consequent risk of confusion. Also, many sports clubs have the word "Olympic" in the title (e.g. Adelaide Olympic, Fribourg Olympic, Sydney Olympic FC, etc.) which can cause confusion if we just referred to the Games as "Olympics". Rodney Baggins (talk) 12:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Would moving 2018 Winter Olympics to 2018 Winter Olympic Games and 2020 Summer Olympics to 2020 Summer Olympic Games be appropriate for consistency? --2601:183:101:58D0:C068:9483:7179:AF39 (talk) 12:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

To be fair, I think the naming conventions are fine already. Moving 2018 Winter Olympics to 2018 Winter Olympic Games would be inappropriate because, as stated in the 1st sentence of the lead, the official name is actually "XXIII Olympic Winter Games" (just to add another layer of confusion). Changing article titles would upset an already fragile balance. In any case, there's already a redirect in place for 2018 Winter Olympic Games hence the working wikilink. Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Support per common name, particularly Winter Olympics and Summer Olympics. Google searches aren't the be all and end all, but may be useful here: 'Winter Olympics' returned for me 21.5 million results, v 6 million for 'Winter Olympic Games'. 'Summer Olympics' is 10.7 mill v 2.8 million for 'Summer Olympic Games' (numbers presumably affected by news stories for the 2018 Winters appearing in results). ESPN lists a 'Winter Olympics' medal table; the BBC have a 'Winter Olympics home page; the Guardian has Winter Olympics although 'Olympic Games'. Indeed given Wikipedia's position on Google searches, it's fair to say that we are - alongside the official IOC website - the main user of the '... Games' terms. The case between Olympics and Olympic Games is a bit less clear cut than the other two, but without 'Games' is still the more common use I think. There can be reasons for rejecting the common name but I don't see them here: 'Olympics', 'Summer Olympics' and 'Winter Olympics' are clearly as understandable, more concise and no more ambiguous than the longer name. If we value consistency, then it is also much less work to change these three pages than every single 'YEAR Summer Olympics' and 'YEAR Winter Olympics' article. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 14:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds." We have thousands of subarticles of individual Olympics, and I don't think moving them to a slightly more formal name is worth the pursuit. On the other hand, the three main articles rest at more formal titles and there is no pressing reason to move them. No such user (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose move. I see no benefit in making these moves. It's not like "Summer Olympics" isn't already a redirect. ONR (talk) 15:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Rodney and NSU. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for same reasons as Rodney Baggins. jamacfarlane (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Rodney's argument is persuasive to me. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018

Kim h connors (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

After the artistic portion of the ceremony, the athletes parade into the stadium grouped by nation. Greece is traditionally the first nation to enter and leads the parade in order to honor the origins of the Olympics except 2004 when Saint Lucia entered first. Nations then enter the stadium alphabetically according to the host country's chosen language, with the host country's athletes being the last to enter.

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2018

Kim h connors (talk) 03:31, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

French and English are the official languages of the Olympic Movement. The other language used at each Olympic Games is the language of the host country (or languages, if a country has more than one official language apart from French or English). Every proclamation (such as the announcement of each country during the parade of nations in the opening ceremony) is spoken in these three (or more) languages, or the main two depending on whether the host country is an English or French speaking country. In recent years, French was always spoken first followed by an English translation and the dominant language of the host country.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2018

Please change the following words spelt in American Language to British English: organise or organised to organize or organized in 7 places: 1.At the end of the 2nd line of the 4th paragraph from the very top of the page. 2.The 3rd line of paragraph 1. 3.At the very end of the forerunners sub section. 4.The end of the 1st line of the paralympics. 5.The cost of games section in the 2nd paragraph) and 2 other places: 6.In the 1st paragraph in the closing ceremony subsection in the middle of the 3rd last line. 7.In the middle of line 7 of the politics subection Thank you.211.27.126.189 (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC) 211.27.126.189 (talk) 23:08, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Huh? Organise is the British spelling, while organize is the American spelling. Since this article is written in British English, I've made what changes I could see within the article to change "ize" to "ise", not the other way around. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 00:47, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh OK.211.27.126.189 (talk) 00:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

regarding the Colonialism section

the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing, China is listed as a time such practices have been observed at. how is this possible if 2022 hasn't happened yet? it was added to the page on December 22, 2018. 2601:408:8001:25BF:E9A4:EDBC:ECE1:FD07 (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2019

I suggest they change the text and use a new logo. 173.180.40.13 (talk) 19:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 21:10, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Olympic Games for deletion

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2019

Please add a new section:

Olympics in popular culture 1924 Paris Olympics featured in the 1981 film Chariots of Fire 1984 Los Angeles Olympics featured in Jilly Cooper's Riders (novel) from 1985 2000 Sydney Olympics featured in Christos Tsiolkas' novel from 2013, Barracuda 2000 Sydney Olympics featured in F.J. Campbell's 2018 novel, No Number Nine 2004 Athens Olympics, 2008 Beijing Olympics and 2012 London Olympics featured in Chris Cleave's novel from 2012, Gold (Cleave novel) 2012 London Olympics featured in J.K. Rowling's novel Lethal White, published in 2018 and part of the Cormoran Strike series. Thebigbookhead (talk) 13:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 17:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Should we add an "In popular culture" section?

Wondering people's thoughts on adding a section on the topic of the Olympics in popular culture. They're a popular international cultural event, and its impacts on media and cultural influence should probably be covered. @Thebigbookhead: mentioned it above; it raised a good point that maybe this topic should be covered here. Something like:

• The 1924 Summer Olympics (in Paris) were featured in the 1981 film Chariots of Fire.
• The 1984 Summer Olympics (in Los Angeles) were featured in Jilly Cooper's 1985 novel Riders.
• The 2000 Summer Olympics (in Sydney) were featured in Christos Tsiolkas' 2013 novel Barracuda. They were also featured in F.J. Campbell's 2018 novel, No Number Nine.
• The 2004 (Athens), 2008 (Beijing), and 2012 Summer Olympics (London) were featured in Chris Cleave's novel from 2012, Gold.
• The 2012 Summer Olympics (in London) were featured in J.K. Rowling's 2018 novel Lethal White, part of the Cormoran Strike series.

What are your thoughts? Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Amounts of athletes

"Over 13,000 athletes compete at the Summer and Winter Olympic Games in 33 different sports and nearly 400 events." This sentence is a bit vague. First of all there is no source, and for what year are we talking about? And somewhere I read there are about 3,000 athletes for the Winter Olympics, so there are 13,000 for the Summer Olympics? If someone could clarify this or add a source that would be nice. Kind regards, Coldbolt (talk) 14:29, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I've updated the numbers and clarified that it is combined for the two most recent editions (2016 and 2018). I took the numbers from the infoboxes on the 2016 and 2018 pages, if someone wants to get sources from there. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Thankyou! That's a lot better. I added the respective sources. Coldbolt (talk) 21:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2020

49.145.105.55 (talk) 05:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Oxford spelling edit notice

This article has the {{Use British English}} template up top, and its Talk page has the {{British English}} template up top. So why are we using this editnotice which displays a banner saying "This article is written in British English with Oxford spelling" when I open the edit window? Looking through the article, I can see that it certainly does NOT use Oxford spelling (which mostly changes 's' to 'z' in words like "organization" but abandons all other Americanisations), so either we need to ditch the Oxford notice or incorporate it properly with appropriate templates and spellings throughout. I personally don't see why we would need to use Oxford spelling, as the other Olympics articles are either written entirely in British English or American English. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I've found that the {{British English}} template was added to the Talk page by an unregistered IP on 31 July 2016, then this diff added the {{Use British English}} template to the article page on 26 August 2016. It would seem that User:Acopyeditor saw the template on the Talk page and accordingly introduced the spelling format to the main article. Then on 26 August 2017 (one year later) User:Koavf created the British English Oxford Spelling edit notice for some unknown reason. I'll leave this alone for a few days, but I suggest the edit notice needs to be speedily deleted as there was never any consensus reached on any spelling format, let alone the Oxford one. If there are no objections here, I would personally prefer British English, per existing templates. I've pinged the users concerned in case you have any preferences or suggestions? Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:30, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

What is the 'Olympic Movement'?

The term "Olympic Movement" is used throughout this article without being explicitly defined. Olympic Movement redirects to IOC. The collection of entities that "Olympic Movement" refers to does not fit the definition of a social or political movement (as I discuss below). Furthermore, unless I've been missing it, the term is not in common use by those not directly affiliated with the Olympics. Therefore, given the positive connotations of "movement," this is a case of loaded language (see MOS:PUFFERY).

To be fair, it is a useful term, in that it is essentially a more elegant way of saying "everyone involved with the Olympics." It's operationally defined on this page's International Olympic Committee section: "The Olympic Movement encompasses a large number of national and international sporting organisations and federations, recognised media partners, as well as athletes, officials, judges, and every other person and institution that agrees to abide by the rules of the Olympic Charter."

Ideally, we would have an NPOV term to substitute for Olympic Movement. Alternately, we could replace each usage with more specific words (e.g. "the Olympics", "the IOC and national committees"). Or, if we are to stick with Olympic Movement, then it should be defined on first usage -- making clear that it is the IOC's designation. Over on the IOC article, I defined it as "the IOC's term for all entities and individuals involved in the Olympic Games" –- which I find too clunky to add to such a prominent article as this one.

Having run out of ideas myself, I present to you the question: how should we NPOV-ify "Olympic Movement"? SSSheridan (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I think it should be fairly uncontroversial that the "Olympic Movement" is not a social and/or political movement in the common, NPOV sense, so I've relegated my support for that claim out of the above post. But, in case I am mistaken about it being uncontroversial, I will support that argument below:

Merriam-Webster includes the following definition of "movement": "a series of organized activities working toward an objective; also: an organized effort to promote or attain an end."[7] One could claim that the objective is the Olympic Games themselves, but that doesn't pass the smell test: by that definition, FIFA is the governing body of the Association Football Movement, a term that no one has ever used. (Okay, I checked: it's been sporadically used to describe the spread of football in the 19th century.)

Clearly (I hope), the objectives that define a movement are always involve some change to the existing social or political structure. In the 19th to early 20th century, one could make a case for the Olympic Movement. But here, in the 21st century, the objective of the "Olympic Movement" -- the IOC, the national committees, etc. -- is to continue the running of the highly successful quadrennial Olympic games. It's a perfectly good objective, but it's not one that defines a movement. Viva la status quo!

The IOC's own definition of the Olympic Movement understands this, because they state loftier ambitions in their own definition:

The Olympic Movement is the concerted, organised, universal and permanent action, carried out under the supreme authority of the IOC, of all individuals and entities who are inspired by the values of Olympism. The goal of the Olympic Movement is to contribute to building a peaceful and better world by educating youth through sport practised in accordance with Olympism and its values.

Those aforementioned values are "excellence, friendship and respect."

I'm all in favor of a peaceful and better world, I'm all in favor of those values, but there's nothing concrete there. As a single point of contrast, blacklivesmatter.com currently has "End 1033" on the banner of their homepage: a concrete goal. "April 30th marks President Biden’s 100th day as president — and we’ve got a major demand for him before that deadline: Demilitarize our neighborhoods and end 1033."

In conclusion: the "Olympic Movement" is the IOC's term for the collection of all the entities and individuals who participate in the Olympic Games and related activities. How should Wikipedia refer to that collection? SSSheridan (talk) 12:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I would suggest that a simple footnote to that effect in the Notes section with source would suffice. I don't think we have to over-engineer this. Rodney Baggins (talk) 15:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

But -- and this is the tl;dr of all the above -- it's not a movement. If the English Premier League were to refer to all its clubs, media partners, players, and referees as "the Premier League Movement", it would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to adopt that lingo. "The Olympic Movement" strikes me as not-very-different. Am I the only one? SSSheridan (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't see the problem with referring to it as a "movement" when the IOC itself has described it as such. There are plenty of examples in the Society and culture section of the Movement dab page. I just don't see this as an NPOV issue! Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

The Olympic Movement connotes Pierre de Coubertin's original vision of the modern Olympic Games. It is that by periodically bringing the youth of the world together in joyful sporting competition, their collective experience of peace and brotherhood achieved through sport can be spread throughout the world for the benefit of everyone living together on this planet. Jeff in CA (talk) 06:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Surfing in the Olympics

The one mention of surfing on this page may need to be updated.

"There are recognised sports that have never been on an Olympic programme in any capacity, including chess and surfing"

Surfing is an Olympic sport in the current Summer Olympics (2020/2021) which makes this statement inaccurate. There's a citation for that entry and I'm not of sure the proper way to update the innacuracy. Mikeprado (talk) 01:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mikeprado:  Done. Seems a fairly uncontroversial change to me. I have changed 'including' to 'for example' as it seems to read better with one example. Local Variable (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)