Talk:Punk zine

Sourcing "punkzine"

Please provide concrete sources which use the term as you have written it as "punkzine" (no space). This may have been used at one point, although personally I dont think i've come across it. It could be specific to a region or time period which would be useful in citing it properly. Thanks! Xsxex 17:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Previous discussion

Creating a term in a different article, then linking it, then creating article about it once it's been removed is REALLY going too far. Punkzine has not, is not, probably never will be a widely used to term to describe punk rock fanzines. Punk zine, as two words, is a different matter altogether and perfectly acceptable. Punkzine as a neologism is not.

Compare:

• punkzine - 2030 hits on google
• "punk zine" (two words, not one, quoted search) - 3,990 hits on google
• punk zine (two words, unquoted) - 180,000 hits on google

And I do know what I'm talking about, maintaining one of the largest punk zine libraries on the east coast (dating from 1976 to the present).

Must be a UK thing then. it was a movement I was very much part of and will expand the article when I've got time. I used to have a huge archive of UK 'zines from the early 80s, most of these have now been passed on to Dial House who are working on a book documenting this era. Mags like Toxic Grafity (sic), Cobalt Hate, Fack, Enigma (fanzine) very much described themselves as punkzines as they didn't like the connotations of the 'fan' part of the word fanzine, taking it to mean mindless worship, etc. Not too sure I'd put alot of store by the google searches as there is a hell of alot of minutiae from that era in the UK that hasn't been documented on the internet. i like the idea of wikipedia actaully docum,enting this sort of 'people's history' that WON'T perhaps be found elsewhere.quercus robur 20:04, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Is it possible it was an Anarcho/Crust term, and that zines from outside that community wouldn't use it? If it is, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to refer to Sniffin' Glue (which never referred to itself as a punkzine--though I'd have to check to be sure) as the first punkzine.

It's also possible that it was an early 80's UK thing, since I've run into the term before, but am really struggling to think where. My zine collection is mostly American, with some UK stuff from the 70's and late 80's/early 90's (almost nothing from the early 80's).

I'm all for having an article (probably several, based on geography, genre, and even format) about punk zines, since it's something I'm very much into and something that's been widely ignored, but I don't think it's a good idea to have such a rarely used (well, in my experience) term as the article title.

About UK punk stuff not being on the net, have you considered starting a project to OCR some of the more interersting articles and possibly setting up a website (not part of the wikipedia) in the vein of Kill From the Heart or the Dementlieu Punk Archive?

Possibly was an anarcho-punk thing, as this was my main area of interest/activity. I used to have boxes and boxes of anarcho-punk zines, however most of them are currently with Crass, who are doing an archiving project, and will be (hopefully!) bringing out a book compiling the 'best of' (subjective I know...) the material, as well as a seperate one collecting up the best fanzine interviews with crass. I'm not sure if the guy doing the archiving (not actually one of Crass) will be OCRing the stuff, but from what i'm told he has the necessary obsessive gene that I unfortunately(?) lack ;-) Cheers quercus robur 14:30, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

--

Little notes, things to cover (I'll work on the article some, at least the areas I'm most comfortable with.). Feel free to add more

• evolution from 60's rock zines and underground pubs (Crawdaddy, Fifth Estate, pick some more)
• evolution from early sci fi culture (Who Put the Bomp!/Bomp! best exemplifies, Forced Exposure's skiffy tendencies also)
• early early-mid 70's zines (Back Door Man, Bomp!)
• 76-79 England (Sniffing Glue, Ripped and Torn, the like)
• 76-79 America (the newsprint tabloids: Punk, Slash, Search and Destroy, NY Rocker, New Wave. the genuine zines: Gabba Gabba Gazette, Flipside, pick some others)
• 80-82 America - rise of hardcore zines (Touch and Go, MRR, Forced Exposure, Noise, Ripper)
• 82 fanzine explosion in America

• 79-85 America and England - rise of the glossy "prozines" and faux-zines (Punk Lives, Matter, and some others...)

• mention notable zine writers (Albini, Tesco, Byron Coley, Jimmy Johnson)

• list of notable zines (w/ link to COMPLETE list of all zines as well)

• other formats
  • Cassette fanzines (Fast Forward (oz), Sub Pop (us), Bang Zoom (us))
  • Video
  • CDRom (that zine done by the Punk Uprisings girl)

Definitive

This "The definitive punk zine was the New York magazine Punk" is POV at best, and possibly the usual Wikipedia US biase

Something of a request.

Hi,

I'm asking for some help if I may. My better half is doing her dissertation on wikipedia and punk zines and the similarities and differences (a very rough overview by me that). For it, she'd like to interview a couple of regular Wiki contributors to the punk project side of things, as well as a couple of people who have created/edited past/current fanzines. If anyone would like to help, or can point me in the direction of anyone that can/would, I and her good self would appreciate it hugely. If you need to contact me, just whack a comment on my talk page or reply to this.

Apologies for posting this here if this isn't suitable

Cheers

Drivenapart (talk) 11:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

vegan straightedge

zines were a huge part of the 90s era of vegan straightedge and hardline. this should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.28.147.120 (talk) 06:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)