Talk:Pyatigorsk

Population figures

The figures quoted for 1989 and 2002 point to an enormous population increase, quite untypical for Russia nowadays.

The Russian version gives a clue: it states 191,500 in 2005 but says this also takes into account 5 rural settlements which are outside of the built-up centre. Now without these 5 "hamlets" the population of the centre is 139,729. This is also the figure in the German version. 140,6 thousand is what the Esperanto version gives for the centre in 2002, but this is in fact the 2003 figure according to Stavropol Kray (what a mix-up!): http://www.mojgorod.ru/stavrop_kraj/pjatigorsk/index.html

So, the population of the centre stopped growing after the fall of communism, and remained stable until 2002-3, when there was a sudden rise of 9,000 which does not seem to continue now. Part of the problem may be the 5 rural settlements ruled by Pyatigorsk town council which seem to be losing population constantly - this indicates that they are not, or no longer, what would be called "suburbs" in the West. I think it may be better to change the figure quoted for 2002 into the known figures for 2005: 139,729 (191,500 with incorporated settlements). Unfortunately the term "agglomeration" cannot be used here, because Pyatigorsk has an official agglomeration, it is much larger, and has more than 600,000 inhabitants. Pan Gerwazy --pgp 13:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do not remove 2002 Census information; it is a very important piece, and, along with the 1989 figure, a verifiable number (unlike the estimates for other years). The five rural settlements you are referring to were annexed by Pyatigorsk, which means that they ceased to exist as separate administrative entities and became parts of the city. True, it's not the most natural of causes for population increase, but it's a cause nevertheless, not a problem. That's a perfectly legitimate way for a city to grow, even if it's only a one-time occurrence. I will be reworking the population table later today to clarify what happened. Thanks for your interest in this matter.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 13:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Privet, Ezhiki. So the annexation happened beetween these two dates. I guessed as much, but I could not find a date anywhere. The "problem" is only there, because without any mention of this in the History part of the article, readers mayget the impression that there must have been a lot of new immigrants into the place . By the way, seen from a place like Belgium (where I live) Pyatigorsk is close to Chechnya. But I trust you will find a date for that annexation. Pan Gerwazy (who still thinks it may be a nice place for a holiday) --pgp 23:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll look up the date, certainly. It was my intention to add a footnote to the population table mentioning the annexation.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 01:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

pyatigorsk suburbs

Question : is one of these suburbs mentioned as anexed to the city a place called Constantinogorskaya ?? How far from the center of town is it ?? How many people live there ?? There was a fortress built there long ago, a military base from the Zars age. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.42.35.101 (talk) 15:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

From what I know, "Konstantinogorskaya" was the name of the fortress built in 1780 on Mount Mashuk. The fortress was demolished some time in the 19th century. Modern Pyatigorsk stands on the slopes of Mashuk, so the fortress must not have been located too far from it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is a stanitsa called "Konstantinovskaya" in Pyatigorsk's vicinity, with population of ~7,000, but that's not where the fortress stood. The place where the fortress used to be is now part of Novopyatigorsk microdistrict of Pyatigorsk. Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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