Talk:Sanhaja de Srair language
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Classification as a Zenati dialect
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The current version of this article claims that the Senhaja language is a Zenati dialect, according to Blench [1]. Blech, however, says that this paper is "a preliminary list" and that "there are still many problems", making it clear that his "list" can't be considered as a WP:RS.
Note that, on the other hand, Bernard & Moussard (1924), p.278, says that (FR) "Le parler des Ketama et des Sanhadja de Srair se rattache a la tamazirt du Moyen Atlas" (translation: The language of the Ketama and the Sanhadja of Srair (i.e., the tribes) is related to the Middle Atlas Tamazirt). Also note that BRILL's First Encyclopaedia of Islam: 1913-1936 (1993), Morocco - VII. Linguistic survey, p.598 links the "Sandadja-d-es-Srair" language to the Central Atlas Tamazight.
Thus, classifying the Senhaja language as a Zenati dialect basing on a non-RS source (as claims Blench himself) while two RS gives the opposite statement makes it WP:OR.
Regards,
--Omar-toons (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- If the only things you have are from a century ago, and you don't understand that much of science is preliminary, then there's no reason to take you seriously. — kwami (talk) 05:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- Mena Lafkioui, in: Atlas linguistique des variétés berbères du Rif, Berber Studies vol.15, 2007: "In the mountainous landscape of northeastern Morocco, a fairly large geographically contiguous Berber-speaking area with a few million inhabitants is to be found, called the Rif. Its people are generally described as speaking a single Zenati Northern Berber language, Tarifit, apart from in its southwestern corner, where another non-Zenati Northern Berber language, Senhaji, may be distinguished" [2]
--Omar-toons (talk) 14:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC) - Lameen Souag in a communication to Ethnologue: "Senhaja de Srair is not Zenati, but rather Atlas, belonging (despite location) with Middle Atlas Tamazight." [3]
--Omar-toons (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Mena Lafkioui, in: Atlas linguistique des variétés berbères du Rif, Berber Studies vol.15, 2007: "In the mountainous landscape of northeastern Morocco, a fairly large geographically contiguous Berber-speaking area with a few million inhabitants is to be found, called the Rif. Its people are generally described as speaking a single Zenati Northern Berber language, Tarifit, apart from in its southwestern corner, where another non-Zenati Northern Berber language, Senhaji, may be distinguished" [2]
- Now that, IMO, is an acceptable source, even if informal. — kwami (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)