Talk:Siobhan Fahey

Why past tense?

Why is this page written in the past tense? It made me think, for a minute, that poor Siobhan Fahey had died - no, she has not! Shouldn't this page be in the present tense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.87.19 (talk) 06:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news feed or blog. Our policies and guidelines and manual of style dictate that we do not postulate on future events or outcomes and that we write about current events as if from an historical perspective. All observation is of past events; we only ever know that a thing happened, after it did, and as such, must write about the verifiable facts in the past tense. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 22:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Birth date

My research tends to support her date of birth as being 10 September, 1957; not 1958. Does anyone have hard, tangible evidence, either way ? Derek R Bullamore 23:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed as 1958 by Siobhan herself on her site's message board: http://www.yourehistory.co.uk/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004333 Nqr9 00:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Siobhan's site

Siobhan's site should be added here. But has been blacklisted!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.214.51 (talk)

Dublin born

When I came across this article it stated Siobhan was Dunshaughlin born , I have added two references showing Dublin born . The article originally stated Dublin born but some one added Dunshaughlin .Murry1975 (talk) 14:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

15:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)188.65.190.66 (talk)

Nationality

Nationality is not just determined by where someone was born, it is the legal relationship between a person and a state. Siobhan Fahey was born in Ireland, but has lived in Britain since she was a child. Her father was Irish-born but would legally have been considered a British subject as he was born before 1949. He moved the family to Britain when he served in the British Army and, after a brief spell in Germany, the family remained in Britain since then (sources on the page and her bio on her official site show this). This classifies as "settled". Siobhan Fahey is therefore the minor child of a legal British citizen and would, by law, become legally British herself both through descent and naturalisation. While is it possible for a person to have more than one nationality, there is no evidence that Siobhan Fahey ever lived in Ireland again since she left there when she was 2 years old. She has lived in Great Britain for the vast majority of her life, and still resides in London now. The best way to describe her nationality in the intro of the article is to say she is an "Irish-born British musician" which pays due notice to her dual heritage. 88.104.30.10 (talk) 00:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts-ents/music-features/integrity-the-no-1-priority-1.1020972 ,"I’ve got an Irish passport but an English accent", no mention of British passport, shows she still uses her Irish citizenship, which far outweighs the WP:OR typed above. Murry1975 (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually no it doesn't. This article describes her as British, and although Fahey may or may not hold an Irish passport (The Scottish Herald is a notoriously anti-UK publication and not known for their quality journalism) it does not mean she is not British, or even of dual nationality. I've changed the article intro to reflect that and added the source. MassassiUK (talk) 21:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to spoil your party: If she is born in the Republic of Ireland before 1999 (which is clearly the case) then she is automtically an Irish citizen since birth. She continues to be an Irish citizen to this day unless you can show she has renounced her Irish citizenship. I myself have lived outside of Ireland since I was four years old, I fail to see how that would diminish my Irish citizenship (as you suggest above) See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationality_law — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.253.241 (talk) 23:46, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It has already been pointed out that she could be of dual citizenship (which indeed she seems to be, as the article reflects). So she is of British nationality every bit as much as Irish nationality. 88.104.9.134 (talk) 22:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

• The only reference for "British" is a single mention in a 15-year-old article from an online music magazine, which gives no context for the assertion. That does not meet WP's sourcing requirements. It's like using a political interview as a source for a cookery article. We do know Fahey was born in Ireland, therefore Irish, unless there's something reliable to show she has dual nationality. Especially as the current wording actually implies she renounced her Irish citizenship at some point. Extraordinary claims require excellent sourcing. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• Contactmusic.com is a recognised online magazine. It doesn't matter if the article is 15 years old, because Fahey has been a British national for far longer. The article says Irish-born British because she hasn't lived in Ireland since the age of 2. I would have no objection to it saying she is Irish-British, but there is not sufficient reason to delete the word British altogether just because you're on some kind of patriotic campaign for Ireland. As it stands, it is adequately sourced so stop removing it. 81.178.152.244 (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

• She was borin in Ireland before 1999. Therefore - unless you can provide proof to the contrary - she is an Irish citizen. "Irish-born British" means she renounced Irish citizenship at some point. Where is your source for that? There is no source to say she took up British citizenship to become a dual-citizen. Contactmusic.com is not an adequate source for replacing "Irish" with "Irish-born British." She says herself "I've got an Irish passport and an English accent" - which is a bit better than a music magazine using the word "British" as an adjective with no context. Come back when you've a source saying she renounced her Irish citizenship since 2010, and took up British citizenship. And you're barking up the wrong tree with your attribution of motive - please read WP:NPA. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• Thats your opinion and clearly not one that various editors in this thread share. You are removing sourced details purely because you dont like it. If you want to try to gain a consensus about the wording of the article, then do so (the previous poster seemed to offer a good solution whereby Fahey was referred to as Irish-British). But simply reverting sourced details without consensus will just get you blocked for edit warring. 94.6.78.201 (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• Unfortunately it is also my opinion as well; and more importantly, in line with WP:PAG. Contactmusic.com is not an RS for such details. If she had renounced her Irish citizenship, it would have appeared somewhere (it is not an insignificant fact). There is no RS that I can find which says that she is a British citizen (there are many stating she is Ireland/ Dublin born; including her own statement that she has an Irish passport). We need to stick with what reliable RS say or we end up in WP:OR (which another editor highlighted above many years ago). I therefore could not support an assertion that she is British based on the current RS (maybe Brexit will force her to change!?). Britishfinance (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• Given the literal thousands of British people finding newfound Irishness with the prospect of Brexit looming, I'd say the chances of her taking out British citizenship are receding rapidly. :-) Certainly, no RS points to her having done so in the past, in any case. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:43, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

• What was I thinking; of course she'll be carrying her Irish (ahem EU) passport even more prominently as she flies around the world now. Britishfinance (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to believe she's Irish, but clearly she's not in any logical meaning of the term. She's British of Irish extraction.

Pronunciation?

Irish names are very weird to pronounce for non-Irish people (like me). Please tell how her name is spoken! Thanks! 93.219.174.76 (talk) 09:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Siobhán - eo (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

It's pronounced "Sha-vawn" (rhymes with "lawn") or "Sha-von" (rhymes with "gone"). I've heard it pronounced as both. 88.104.9.134 (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

She pronounced it "Sha-vawn" (rhyming with lawn) when introducing herself on radio back in the day.Nqr9 (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Sister Maire editor of Prima

Should it not at least be mentioned that Siobhan's younger sister Maire was (is?) editor of Prima magazine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.1.32 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article rated for class B

This article has too many citation needed tags in the Early life and Music career section and also needs a photograph to be considered for B-class. Rated up to C-class. Markvs88 (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Early life

I read a copy of the 1996 article from The Observer and the only information that it supports is the now revised sentence in front of that citation reference. The Observer citation was previously incorrectly placed after sentence about when she was 14 and 16, but nothing in the article is about that.

These sentences still need a citation:

• She has two younger sisters, Maire (who played Eileen in the video of the 1982 song "Come On Eileen", a hit for Dexys Midnight Runners) and Niamh, a producer and editor.
• Her parents, Helen and Joseph Fahey, both came from County Tipperary, Ireland.
• When she was 14, she and her family moved to Harpenden, Hertfordshire, and, two years later, she left home for London and became involved in the punk scene of the late 1970s.

Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Siobhan's new husband

• What I think should be changed: Please add "On 11 November 2021, Fahey married Mark Sayfritz (English composer and artist). They both share their time between London & LA." to Personal life
• Why it should be changed:
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

References

FascinationManagement (talk) 16:19, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Sorry, instagram is a WP:SELFPUB source, and IMDB is user-generated. Neither can therefore be used as sources for Wikipedia biographies. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:11, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Be aware that Wikipedia has special policies regarding conflicts of interest which may be applicable here. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 17:26, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey there, I understand, but please consider that it's Siobhan's official Instagram account and she is sharing an image of her and her new husband Mark Sayfritz.... 2A00:23C8:5985:A301:2985:A101:43A:FF66 (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

The Instagram post is not an explicit statement of marriage (the anniversary could be of anything and the photo is open to interpretation) linking to an unverified account that may or may not belong to Mark Sayfritz. Biographies of living persons must not contain information that cannot be verified using reliable sources – ideally secondary sources. While self published sources are sometimes acceptable when they are about the publisher, they are not when they're about exceptional claims or third parties – in this case claims of marriage to Mark Sayfritz – for whom we have no source stating their side of this claim. Understand simply from the perspective of the Wikimedia Foundation and the subjects of this article (explicit and by extension) that accuracy and strict adherence to policies and guidelines is not optional. The WMF doesn't want to be sued and I'm sure both Siobhan Fahey and Mark Sayfritz would not wish to be irresponsibly represented. Please feel free to request the edit again when you have good quality, secondary sources for the claims. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 17:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)