Talk:VSE (operating system)

Opening heading

Where's the VTAM? Where's the POWER? VSE is nothing without VTAM & POWER. VTAM without POWER is a joke. CICS without VTAM is a doom.

Fair points. To handle them properly we need to work out an overall structure for articles about IBM's operating systems (see my recent post on Talk:MVS) and, as the last user pointed out, data communications (VTAM was the mainframe software component of SNA). Philcha 13:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• I would check the figures on the number of licenses for OS and VSE. You may find that it contradicts the statement that OS is more prominent...

Restructure of articles about IBM mainframe operating systems

After a big edit of MVS I concluded that the whole set of articles about IBM mainframe operating systems from System/360 onwards needed to be re-structured to minimise overlap and to make clearer the evolutionary relationships between these operating systems (notably in memory management, which is historically a major distinguishing feature). There is already some support for this proposal. Please add comments at Talk: MVS. Philcha 23:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite of Job Control Language in progress

As part of the proposed restructure of articles on IBM mainframe operating systems (above), I've rewritten Job Control Language to: cover IBM's DOS/360 and its descendants as well as OS/360 and its descendants; focus more on the facilities and flavour of the 2 JCLs rather than on details of some statement types and some of their options. Please comment in Talk: Job Control Language. I'd be particulary grateful for more info on DOS/360 and its descendants, especially after 1980 - I only used DOS JCL a handful of times, and only in the late 1970s. Anything about the pre-DOS System/360 operating systems would also be appreciated.

The rewrite does not currently take account of Truthanado's point in Talk: Job Control Language about use of "JCL" by computer suppliers other than IBM, which may entail further restructuring of articles about JCLs. Philcha 00:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite of Job Control Language in progress

As part of the proposed restructure of articles on IBM mainframe operating systems (above), I've rewritten Job Control Language to: cover IBM's DOS/360 and its descendants as well as OS/360 and its descendants; focus more on the facilities and flavour of the 2 JCLs rather than on details of some statement types and some of their options. Please comment in Talk: Job Control Language. I'd be particulary grateful for more info on DOS/360 and its descendants, especially after 1980 - I only used DOS JCL a handful of times, and only in the late 1970s. Anything about the pre-DOS System/360 operating systems would also be appreciated.

The rewrite does not currently take account of Truthanado's point in Talk: Job Control Language about use of "JCL" by computer suppliers other than IBM, which may entail further restructuring of articles about JCLs. Philcha 00:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus in support of move. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 23:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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VSE (operating system) → z/VSE — Article does not cover, e.g., DOS/VSE. This move request is based on the assumption that nobody is planning to add material on DOS/VSE, VSE/AF, VSE/SP and VSE/ESA. Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC) Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 17:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose until what to do about DOS/VSE, VSE/ESA etc. is decided. These fall between the two stools of DOS/360 and DOS/VS and z/VSE. The simplest option is to just add details on DOS/VSE and VSE/ESA to this current article instead of renaming. IBM has a good history of the development of VSE that could be useful:[1]. Fences&Windows 18:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• Comment due to technical reasons it would not start with a lower case z, it would have to be Z/DSE. Would that affect the proposal? billinghurst sDrewth 17:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Back in the 1980s, someone at IBM stated that there were over 25,000 VSE installations while there were only about 6000 MVS. How is VSE less prevalent? That may be the case now but it was and still is the cheaper alternative without going windows or Unix. 50.254.31.234 (talk) 20:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)