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Rollback

I have granted the "rollbacker" permission to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Gilliam (talk) 15:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. It could be useful on occasions, but I shall use it very sparingly, and only for obvious vandalism. Dbfirs 16:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hawes

Regarding the second editor who tinkered with the population, do you believe it might be worth looking into to see if they're a sock of the first editor, who also played with the population? GAB^Hello! 22:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I wondered that, though the timing would be well past the first editor's bedtime. We'll keep a watch on future edits. Dbfirs 22:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Editor 1 is indeffed, editor 2 has made no other edits. I'm curious, and not sure if it's worth it... but I have opened it anyhow. GAB^Hello! 22:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it looks as though I was mistaken in trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Dbfirs 23:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

ani

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Word Error Rate

Thank you for your notice on reverting my edit on Word error rate. It was not a test! I think it is important to know the difference between insertion and deletion. They are easily mixed up, because it doesn't make a difference if you're merely interested in the value of WER. But what if you want to discuss the Formula? What if the penalties are modified and insertion to have a cost of 2? I wanted to look up which is which and didn't find it, so I researched it and put it in. I am an infrequent user, and I do not insist that my edit is kept as it was, but please make sure that future readers of that article know which one is the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeerVal (talk • contribs) 22:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out that it was not a test. I was using software that flags up possible vandalism, and your edit was obviously not that, so I chose an alternative category because I thought your explanation was too basic to fit the article. If you think there is a possibility of confusion, then I'm happy to restore your edit (and have done so). Happy editing. Dbfirs 23:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations from STiki!

	The Anti-Vandalism + STiki Barnstar
	Congratulations, Dbfirs! You're receiving this barnstar because you recently crossed the 1,000 classification threshold using STiki. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and ƬheStrikeΣagle 06:41, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Removing banned users' edits

Please be more careful, it was the removal of a long-term abuser edits. --Vituzzu (talk) 22:57, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

It was difficult to know who was the pot and who was the kettle, because you almost blanked the page and removed many references. What was I to think? Who was the banned user? Anon IP 64.134.184.28 seems to still be editing and has a blank talk page. I'll leave you to argue it out because I've no interest in the topic. Dbfirs 23:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Unintentional Edit

Hi Dbfirs I am new to Wikipedia and unintentionally deleted some text. Sorry about that. I am very unsure about making addition and changes to articles and would feel better if there was some one or way that I could have my changes reviewed before I do a commit? Is there a way I can e-mail you? Thanks Phil Bender AKA pbender3469

Don't worry about that. Lots of people delete text accidentally, and it gets put back. You can preview your changes before you save them, and I find this quite useful to check that I haven't made a silly mistake. Keep on editing. Dbfirs 10:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Haggard

Hi Dbfirs

I am Robert von Greding the former clarinet player and ex-composer of the classical pieces of Haggard. That's my name.The name of the flute-player is von Zastrow! Cheers from Munich, Robert VGreding (talk) 09:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about the names. The software that I was using flagged up your edit a possible vandalism, and I made an incorrect judgement. I've now found the names elsewhere, so I've restored your edit. Dbfirs 10:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

kidz bop 28

Hi there,

I see you reverted vandalism on the page for Kidz Bop 28. Want to leave a record of what you deleted on your page: you chose to revert an edit that claimed that there were "explicit bonus tracks" (although this was misspelled as "exclipt") on the album. This is a clear act of vandalism, and completely fabricated. Not sure why you would attempt to revert this after the issue was resolved, but it's vital that pages for children's entertainment are as factual and safe as possible. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commons22 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for flagging up the error. The software I was using brought up your edit as possible vandalism (as removal of content often is), but I must have been distracted because I somehow missed seeing your edit summary which explained your edit. I've removed my erroneous message on your talk page and replaced it with an apology. Dbfirs 22:00, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

All good, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commons22 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Telluria mixta

You are mistaken in reverting my edits. I made the article match the title and corrected the grammar. Perhaps you should READ the edit first.

I did read your edit, and I'm still of the opinion that the stub was better before your edit because you left an initial definite article, but it needs expanding, not arguing over. I've made a start on expanding it, so please improve it further so that we can work together to make a better encyclopaedia. Dbfirs 19:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your further improvements. Keep up the good work of improving Wikipedia. Best wishes. Dbfirs 10:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi, I rolled back on this article one step further back than you did, there was some mischief included by th eother IP as well [1]. This tehcnically means I rolled you back, but that is not the purpose of course, but the consequence of rolling back further. Cheers, Horseless Headman (talk) 17:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC).

Thanks for that. I hadn't looked at the prior history. Dbfirs 17:21, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Online estate agents

trying to contact you about deletion and notability online real estate agents , I cant find you email link can you please tell me what what notability was used criteria as i would like to re edit to prevent delete proposal, kind regards  ?

Please see WP:Notability. Also, other editors have expressed the opinion that your article would more appropriately appear as a section of the Estate agent article. Dbfirs 16:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism misidentified as good faith

I wanted to let you know that you blatantly misidentified obvious vandalism (this edit) as a good faith edit. ElectricBurst^{(Electron firings)}_(Zaps) 04:11, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, if I'd looked at the full edit I'd have labelled it vandalism. I had only a small window in StiKi but I should have scrolled down. Thank you for pointing that out, and for commenting on the offending editor's talk page. Where the edit could possibly have been accidental, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt, but in this case the history shows a repeated pattern by an IP-hopping vandal. Dbfirs 07:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for your message. I appreciate your response to correct me and looking for your guidance in the future. Take care. Wbuddy (talk) 08:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Merger of High school into Secondary school

Sorry, but the merger of High school into Secondary school, which you supported (actually without giving an argument), seems to be particularly ill-judged. Note that I have just proposed undoing that merger, with a quite comprehensive rationale on Talk:Secondary school#Revert merger of Secondary school and High school. Feel free to join into the discussion. Regards, PanchoS (talk) 11:26, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me. I supported the merger because I was not aware of usage of the term outside the UK. Perhaps we need to describe usage of the term "High School" separately for each country where it is used. Here in the UK it is just a secondary school that has chosen to include the word "High" in its name. Dbfirs 19:44, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

A kitten for you for your great answer at the Teahouse!

Elsa Enchanted (talk) 13:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Summer

I think you've made a mistake: June may be summer although days until 21 are in Gemini, the sign of the end of spring. 26 January is obviously winter, not summer. --Sean Ago (talk) 22:10, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I restored this edit. Clearly January is summer in the southern hemisphere. 22:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC) Meters (talk) 22:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Meters.

Sean Ago, the article explains the meteorological seasons where June is summer in the north, and the months of December, January and February are summer in the southern temperate zone. You are thinking of astrological seasons which are never observed in the southern hemisphere. Dbfirs 22:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Does Website crawling violates U.S copyright Laws?

Since you're an copyright defender I would like to know whether crawling Math is Fun website violates the U.S copyright Laws?Could you help me.JUSTIN JOHNS (talk) 07:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I can't help you because I've never used a Web crawler, and I live thousands of miles from the United States, so I know little about their copyright laws. Websites can request no crawling. The storage of copyright material for any commercial purposes would be illegal here in the UK, but some leeway might be allowed in the case of private storage for educational purposes. You would need to consult a lawyer conversant with US laws, but each page of the "Maths is Fun" website contains the text "Copyright © 2013 MathsIsFun.com", and many puzzles are marked with individual UK copyright, so are covered by UK copyright law. Dbfirs 07:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.That's no problem.I've send an e-mail to the website owner regarding the copyright issue.JUSTIN JOHNS (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Season

The existing explanation of seasonal temperature variation—the obliqueness of the suns rays—is the correct one. Passing through more of the atmosphere would, if anything, increase the absorption and re-emission of light as heat, but I have never seen such a phenomenon associated with seasonal temperature variation before, and I would need to see a mighty unimpeachable source to add such a claim. But I think what bothers me more is that you reverted a revert. Following one revert, WP:BRD (and, I think, common sense) suggests that if you don't agree, you move to discussion before re-reverting. If you'd done that, you'd have understood why my revert was correct. —swpb^T 18:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the main reason for the seasons is the greater area and shorter days, but our article Effect of Sun angle on climate makes the claim "The Sunbeam entering at the shallower angle must also travel twice as far through the Earth's atmosphere, which reflects some of the energy back into space." The diagram in that article also makes the same claim, as do many other websites. Do you have any figures on the extent to which this effect is significant? There certainly is an effect, but it may well be negligible as you claim. Dbfirs 18:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

The claim is not supported with sourcing on that article either, and so I will remove it there as well. Wikipedia is not beholden to what "many websites" (of which I can find none) claim; we are beholden to reality. If there are academic sources showing otherwise, we can re-examine, but do not expect there to be any. The effect of the atmosphere is not merely negligible, it likely contributes in the opposite direction to what was claimed in these articles. —swpb^T 19:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

It would be really helpful if you could find an academic source to support your viewpoint. The reflection of sunlight by particles in the atmosphere has been taught as an additional reason for the seasons for many years. If science has changed it's mind, then we need to know. If the reverse is true as you claim, then that article needs to explain why. Dbfirs 19:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I must be adamant: the burden of proof is not on me in this situation; it is on the party or parties that want to include the dubious claim in the articles (and policy is very much with me on that point). "Science" has not changed its mind; science, to my knowledge, never forwarded the explanation we are discussing. If such an explanation has ever been taught (and I do not see evidence that it has), it was taught wrongly. —swpb^T 19:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

If you can find one website that supports your view, then I will not bother to re-add the claim with citations from the websites that you consider erroneous. Remember "verifiability, not truth", and WIKI does not mean "what I know is". Dbfirs 19:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

With all due respect (and I do sincerely respect you), you are wrong. The absence of a claim does not require sourcing; the presence of a claim does. I don't know that there is a source to support the statement "this explanation is wrong", because I don't know that this wrong explanation is widespread enough to have produced such a debunking; but you need to understand that no such source is required here. However, if you were to re-add the claim, you would be obligated to produce sourcing—and rock-solid sourcing at that. You might find anonymous or non-academic websites putting forward this explanation (and Wikipedia might have been their source!), but you will not find authoritative scientific sources that do. I encourage you to search to your satisfaction. We can certainly continue to discuss if you like, but I am quite certain that policy is firmly on my side, and broader community input would be as well. —swpb^T 19:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

The point is that the theory you removed is so widespread that we will find other editors adding it back again, with references, if we can't find a proper scientific analysis. I agree that your removal of unreferenced content is in line with policy, but adding it back with references is also perfectly acceptable, which is why I hoped you were more knowledgeable about atmospheric science than I am, so that we can agree on text that will pre-empt a repetition of what you believe to be a misconception. Dbfirs 19:41, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

If others add it in again, we'll deal with that if and when it arises. It certainly doesn't look widespread to me: I still have yet to find any sources advancing this explanation, let alone a reliable one, so I am not highly concerned that the misconception will be re-added. I am fairly knowledgeable on the topic, as I work with operational spacecraft for a living, but I am not a reliable source. If I come across anything suggesting that this explanation is as widespread as you say and talking about why it is wrong, I'll be sure to add it, but right now there's no justification for the articles to mention the explanation at all. —swpb^T 19:50, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Having looked at a selection of educational websites, I've found a small number that do include the atmosphere effect, but the best ones don't mention it, so this supports your viewpoint. The atmospheric reflection and absorption effect is clearly demonstrable on a small scale, but probably has negligible effect on a global scale. I haven't found any site that includes the thickness of atmosphere claim in its list of misconceptions about seasons, which is what I was looking for. In the absence of a good source, I'll leave both articles as you left them, not mentioning the atmosphere. Apologies for the revert on the season article. I looked at the more detailed claim that was linked, but failed to notice that that article, in turn, was unsupported by references. Dbfirs 20:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thanks for doing the digging necessary to put together this response on atmospheric absorption and scattering, and for your constructive attitude in response to criticism! I wish all Wikipedians would rise to a challenge the way you've done here: you didn't just take my word for it, you did your own searching and found some new relevant information, in the form of hard numbers. You might consider it to be all in a days work, but I wanted to express my appreciation. —swpbT 15:58, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I must admit that at first I thought you were just stating your opinion because I'd seen the atmosphere effect reported so many times that it seemed "common knowledge", but when I came to look closely at the evidence it became apparent that the undisputed attenuation of low-angle sunlight at earth's surface did not necessarily imply a reduction in the total energy absorbed, and that the most reputable sites did not claim that this effect contributed to seasonal temperature. I wonder where the idea originally came from. Anyway, thank you for your patience (and for the barnstar). Wikipedia is no longer reporting a flawed theory, and that's what's most important. Dbfirs 16:42, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Marrows galore

Hi Dbfirs. You rashly promised pictures showing your marrows and courgettes. Here in S England we have been harvesting for the past 3 weeks, so I imagine in your neck of the woods the marrow season must also have started. 86.154.102.53 (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me. I should have taken a photo when I saw them on display next to each other in the supermarket but I didn't have my camera with me on that occasion. I haven't seen any marrows recently, but I'll post a photo as soon as I can. I'd need a greenhouse to grow them where I live because we have too much rain and not enough sun. Dbfirs 20:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Photos now added. Dbfirs 14:39, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Dbfirs. Thank you for your comment on the edits on the Cool Hand Luke page. Unfortunately, this is an ip address on a public network, so I am not the person who made those edits. I ask you please not to sanction this ip address if the edits were offensive or pernicious. Thanks! 162.218.144.66 (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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English-language vowel changes before historic /r/

I beg your pardon, sir. You made an edit on the listed above with a question in the comment. I only wish to answer your question. The comment is below:

Re-phrased. Is this what was intended?

To answer your question, the content of your edit probably was what was intended. I didn't fully understand the original wording myself. That's all.LakeKayak (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. If anyone else thinks it means something different, then they can explain. I'm still not quite clear what some of the other bits mean, so I'll leave them for someone who has read Wells extensively. Dbfirs 18:44, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

"iodine" in British English

An anonymous user reinstated "iodine" on the page American and British English pronunciation differences. Is his claim accurate?LakeKayak (talk) 03:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

It's another example where both pronunciations are used in both countries, but there is probably a statistical difference as there is with "either" ( where I use both pronunciations). Perhaps we should have a section for statistical differences? I say /ˈaɪədiːn/ but the OED says /ˈʌɪədiːn/ first, and both /ˈʌɪədʌɪn/ and /ˈʌɪədᵻn/ as alternatives for British English, and /ˈaɪəˌdaɪn/ for American. Is there a big variation in the States? Dbfirs 09:03, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. Webster lists both pronunciations. However, I myself have only heard [aɪədaɪn]. LakeKayak (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, probably just a statistical difference. If we could obtain some reliable sources, we could have a separate section to list the percentages for these AB2s. (I think the /ʌ/ in the OED is just outdated 1950s RP.) Dbfirs 20:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

?? Thread/Yarn/String/Cord/Cordage ??

I left some more questions for you at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#What_is_string?. The Transhumanist 07:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Tigers and Bites

Hey, I just wanted to apologize for what was probably a bit of a WP:BITEY tone in my defensive reply to your comment on false accuracy in the paper about tiger bites. You seem to have taken in good stride, thanks! SemanticMantis (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

That's OK, I wasn't offended, and hoped that you hadn't been either. My criticism wasn't particularly directed at you. As you said, the paper was perfectly respectable, I was just concerned about the way we were using it. Your reply made me read it properly! Dbfirs 20:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

IP

Hi, Inregards to this - Incase you wasn't aware an IP had actually changed the content[2] not me or the script, Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 22:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I should have looked properly at the history. Apologies for accusing your useful and blameless script. Dbfirs 22:50, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

"Copyright free" images

Hey Dbfirs. At the Teahouse you told a user that we only allow images that are "free of any copyright". I really hate to contradict people there so I thought I'd drop by here and ask you to correct that. Even if you don't want to get into fair use with a user, this is not correct as to a huge amount of our images, which are copyrighted but bear a free copyright license (just like our text content). You might say something instead like barring fair use (use of fully copyrighted images which we allow only where the ten non-free content criteria are met), images must either be in the public domain or copyrighted, but bear a free copyright freely licensed that is compatible with the free licenses borne by the majority of Wikipedia content.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I did wonder about mentioning fair use, but thought that was possibly a bit complicated for a beginner. My intention was to warn against the common practice of uploading an image from the internet on the assumption that it is public domain. I'll re-phrase my reply. Dbfirs 13:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

DRN case

Hi, User:Dbfirs.

I have added a notice to the dispute resolution noticeboard at WP:DRN#Talk:Sierra_Leone, about the ongoing edit war by Fuadorko2. It would be helpful if you added a statement. Thanks. Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 01:19, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed this notification. Dbfirs 13:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

DRN case closed

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I stopped participating because the discussion was turning into an edit war. I'm happy with article as it now stands in respect of this dispute. Dbfirs 13:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:English English

Hello. I made a request on the aforementioned talk page, and I haven't heard a response yet. Would you be willing to put your two cents in? Thank you.LakeKayak (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help_desk#Verifiable source

Thanks for your suggestions. Although I have decades of experience in subjects such as aviation and internet, I'm new to Wikipedia and still getting to grips with how it works. Gunner1989 (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for being you! Rose387 (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Paul Osborn American Playwright

Thank you so much for your notes on my entries for Paul Osborn. I especially want to thank you for fixing the all caps mistake that I made. I will be working on citations for Paul Osborn and his plays. I feel strongly that he was a major American playwright and should therefore there should be more information about him on Wikipedia. Selig1553 (talk) 19:54, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Smith's suggestion sounds etymologically unlikely

Actually I agree; but our opinions are WP:OR. No source was there attributing the line about anything to do with Deva and goddesses. There are plenty of sources that list the River Dee in Cheshire and in Aberdeenshire as having that etymology, but none that I have found stating that for the Dee in Cumbria. Smith published his series of books in the 1960s and I have yet to see a firm rebuttal.

Ekwall states that the Rivers Dee elsewhere do derive from holy war goddess and other such stuff, but her listing for Dent states "Dent may be derived from Brit word corresponding to dinn, dind - a hill. Dent river name is a back formation.." So she concurs with Smith. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 18:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Watts states; Obscure. Perhaps a lost river name of unknown origins and meaning. Alternatively, perhaps a British place-name 'hill' from a hypothesised *Dindeto- or *Dindetio-.Elements and their meanings obscure (Unknown) Obscure. river-name (Unknown) River-name. The joy of all things (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Thank you for your reply to my (perhaps unwise) edit summary. I was expecting to be able to find an alternative source for the Brythonic origin, but, like you, could find only those for the other rivers with the same name. I wonder why authors think that Dee is a back-formation from Dent. Rivers tend to be named before towns, at least in this area. If I find any referenced alternatives, I'll add them, meanwhile, I agree that my opinion was not supported by any references I've found yet. Dbfirs 08:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Teahouse edit problem

Hi there. I can't work out what happened in this edit of yours, but it seems to have broken some comments. Could you take a look? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:22, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

That's really odd because I didn't edit the Pinchbeck thread at all, so I don't know what happened. I think I've restored the original text, but I'm just checking. I had to edit the whole page to remove a confusing heading. Dbfirs 08:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Seems to be fine now, thanks. Somehow the text "As for creating a username link, the easiest way is to type" crept into that section, it seems. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. That text came from another section altogether, and I don't know how it got copied, but it does look as if I was to blame and it must somehow have happened as I scrolled down the page. I seldom edit a whole page, but I'll be extra careful if I ever have to do so in the future. Dbfirs 10:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Ref Desk

I removed your post within a thread I closed. Do not add comments within closed threads. As for the substance of the comment, you should find the question runs afoul of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Guidelines Legacypac (talk) 10:41, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd actually typed my comment before you closed the thread. Which guideline does the question contravene? Your closure has been reverted as being against guidelines. Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of a reference desk. I thought it was to provide information requested by editors, regardless of whether the answer improves Wikipedia. Sometimes questions do lead to an improvement in an article, though I agree that often they don't. Were you thinking of the help desk which is specifically for questions about editing? Dbfirs 11:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Book

The publisher is not a reliable one for the book you added to ASA. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:54, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree. I didn't realise its status until after I'd put it in. I'll try to find a better source for the well-known fact. Incidentally, your reversion reintroduced a false statement. Aspirin is ASA not SA. Dbfirs 10:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Your signature

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Thank you for the advice about font tags now being deprecated. I've been intending to change the signature. I'll do so now. Dbfirs 19:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Now changed. Dbfirs 19:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Someone edited my user page...

Hey so someone edited my user page and removed the userbox giving my age... was I not supposed to put that there? MossBoss254 ^Talk 02:13, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mossboss254. I noticed that another editor had removed your age. I just added the square brackets to link to your guest book in response to your question. We welcome young editors here at Wikipedia, but we discourage them from revealing too much personal information because your userpage is open to be viewed by anyone, and not everyone on the internet is as well-meaning as most of us here at Wikipedia. I suppose age is borderline information. Some countries consider that young people need protection until they reach the age of sixteen or even eighteen, though this age varies a lot by culture and over time, and in some cultures you would be considered a young adult. It's probably best not to include age just yet. You might like to read Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Best wishes from northern England. Dbfirs 07:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Non-rhotic /ɜː/

(re: this edit) Well, that's not really an intrusive R, but, more important, it doesn't result in any difference because of the way {{IPAc-en}} is currently put together. But perhaps you may be interested in taking part in the conversation at Help talk:IPA/English § Non-rhotic /ɜː/. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Nardog (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I realised the problem after I had made the edit. The current {{IPAc-en}} could be misleading because some regions of English are partially or fully rhotic. I'll look at the conversation. Thank you for notifying me. Dbfirs 07:31, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Noodlebomber (talk) has given you a WikiCake! WikiCakes promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cake, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of cakes by adding {{subst:GiveCake}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Help desk comment

I'm concerned about your recent comment at the help desk, where you told a new editor: "Now that you have got your venom out of your system, please leave us in peace." I don't think emotive language like this, bordering on personal attack territory, is ever an appropriate way to respond to a new editor's query. This is especially the case given the delicate content of the post you were replying to, and the likelihood you were responding to a vulnerable person. It would have been much more productive to simply direct the editor to the relevant guideline in a civil and professional manner (as Cullen328 and Gronk Oz subsequently did). I'm also puzzled by your claim to "have no idea ... what [the editor was] writing about", as a cursory check of the user's contributions would have clarified the issue for you. Please be more careful in future. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

The new editor's comment that I replied to was originally in a separate section, but I agree that a study of their previous edits would have revealed the possible vulnerability. The bit about venom was repeating a comment by that editor. Their dispute had nothing to do with Wikipedia, but my request to leave us in peace was perhaps insensitive. I'll remove it. Dbfirs 20:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I removed my comment, and I note that both sections have now been removed from the public record. As I said, Wikipedia should not be used as a weapon in a private dispute. Dbfirs 20:50, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there. I was looking at your page, and noticed you have awards and things. How do I get them? Thanks -Higginsal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Higginsal (talk • contribs) 21:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Higginsal and greetings from across the Atlantic. Awards are given by ordinary editors, just like the cupcakes etc that you have awarded. I've been editing Wikipedia for years, and don't have many awards. I suppose, just occasionally, I make a good edit that someone recognises, but the satisfaction is in improving the encyclopaedia, not in achieving awards. Best wishes. Dbfirs 22:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanking people

Hey, Got a question for you... what happens when you click the "thank" button on an edit? Do the users get a notification or something? I know this is an odd question, but I'm kinda curious =D MossBoss254 ^Talk 00:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the person that you thank gets a notification. See Wikipedia:Notifications/Thanks for details. You might also like to read WP:Expressing thanks. I occasionally thank people who correct an error that I've made or who improve on one of my edits. I also appreciate the simple acknowledgment when I improve on someone else's edit. The main reward is in improving the encyclopaedia, but an occasional note of thanks oils the wheels and makes collaboration easier. Dbfirs 06:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

imdb

Referring to this help desk question, I have reported errors to imdb before. I don't remember what the exact procedure was but I'll try to look into it. imdb is not like Wikipedia, although users can submit information in some cases. I have submitted close to 1000 reviews of movies, but I rarely tried to add other information.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know anything about either of the Sally Wilsons, but there does seem to be confusion at IMDb. Dbfirs 16:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Marrows

In my experience, even yellow courgettes/zucchinis have some stripes, so I don't think this distinguishes them from marrows. See [3] for commercially available seed of a plant described as a "yellow marrow". The plain and simple truth is that there's no consistent difference between cultivars used as courgettes/zucchinis and cultivars used as marrows, except that large marrows can't be supported by a bush plant, so only trailing cultivars can have their fruit left to enlarge to marrow size.

One of the references in the article, Hedrick, U.P.; Hall, F.H.; Hawthorn, L.R. & Berger, Alwin (1928), "Part 4: The cucurbits", The Vegetables of New York, Vol. 1, is an interesting read re the history of these plants. Note that what is referred to as "English Vegetable Marrow" on p. 37 has fruit described as "greenish white" to "apricot yellow" when mature. The "Italian Vegetable Marrow" is green with stripes (illustration on the page after p. 42).

"Zucchini" in New York in 1928 is just another variety of summer squash – see p. 50 – whereas there are multiple cultivars referred to as "marrows". Peter coxhead (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

My comments here crossed with your reversion. My point is that historically, it seems that "marrows", cultivars of summer squashes, came first; zucchinis/courgettes were developed afterwards, starting out, in the US at least, as one particular cultivar of summer squash. Courgettes are thin-skinned marrows that can be grown on bush plants because they are harvested young. Now there are more cultivars known as zucchinis/courgettes; historically this was not so. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with most of that, except that there is a big difference between the cultivars sold as marrows in the UK and those sold as courgettes. They are all marrow family, of course, but they are sold for different purposes, and the cultivars are developed for the purpose. I'm not sure that 1928 usage is still current. Usage changes over 90 years. Please discuss on the article talk page and stop edit-warring. Dbfirs 20:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, 1928 usage is clearly very different; that's precisely my point. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I've replied re the article at the talk page. there is a big difference between the cultivars sold as marrows in the UK and those sold as courgettes – not so. There is a difference between some cultivars sold as marrows and some sold as courgettes, but not all. Look at the Marshalls webpage: "the fruit size is convenient at three quarters the size of standard marrows and can also be picked as brightly coloured courgettes." Peter coxhead (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

No more from me here, I promise! Peter coxhead (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Marrow is the botanical term, or course. I've never seen the yellow ones on sale, but they are not vegetable marrows. Dbfirs 20:50, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Dry shampoo- 'Undid revision 850879540 by H.A.W.C 101 (talk) Wikipedia is not a "how to use" guide.'

Hi, Following up on your comment stating 'Wikipedia is not a "how to use" guide' on Dry shampoo, I have added the information back which you removed, but believe I have made it more suitable for Wikipedia. I hope you agree with the edits. Thanks. H.A.W.C 101 (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not give instructions on what "you" should do. Please try to phrase your addition in more general terms. Dbfirs 21:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

global warming

Thanks for your interest, however I reverted. See edit summary. If you'd like background, the talk pages for Global warming and Climate change have abundant discussions about the scope/title of the two articles, and the first sentence or first paragraph of Global warming. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware that the terminology in these articles is controversial, but my addition was not intended to imply that only the media was confused. I was responding to a request on the Help Desk, but I'm not sure that my edit would have satisfied that request anyway. The previous discussion was inconclusive. Dbfirs 16:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I see that the exact definitions are still being argued over. Will consensus ever be reached? Dbfirs 15:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

As the talk archives will tell you its a perennial debate and projections are that this will not change until sometime after East Antarctica's ice has all melted. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For your diligence and helping out at the refdesk.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 07:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Epistemology - filium unigenitum?

A few months ago you were kind enough to interact with me regarding the Wikipedia article "Epistemology" concerning its origin and etymology. Of late I have organized my thoughts more concisely, but I am very much a Wikipedia novice and that article has complexities far beyond my comfort to edit. I would like to discuss with someone a need for corrections, so I'm picking on you and begging your pardon in advance.

Error #1: Oxford English Dictionary ascribes first instance to "Eclectic Magazine", but Eclectic magazine ascribes original article to "English Review." Specifically English Review, Volume 7, issue 14, June 1847, pp. 276-313.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/The_English_Review_vol_7_Mar-Jun_1847_FGgaAQAAIAAJ.pdf

Error #2: The wikipedia contributor inaccurately describes the article as a "review of a philosophical novel". It is in fact an introduction and paean to Jean Paul, plus a critique and polemic directed toward three then-current English translations, faulting both the accuracy of translation and those translators' subverting Jean Paul's authorship. Certain segments of the article are translations by the unnamed author of "Jean Paul" and within such a segment the word "epistemology" emerges along with a footnote of etymology.

It is plausible... though unprovable... that J.F. Ferrier authored Jean Paul. Should your interest be piqued-

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Is_James_Frederick_Ferrier_More-Likely-Than-Not_the_Author_of_Jean_Paul.pdf

Klarm768 (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Failed login attempts

To the troll who has made hundreds of failed login attempts on my account: you might as well give up because I've just made my password even stronger. Dbfirs 08:14, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Lithuania

Hello to all Wikipedia community, I’m currently trying to change lithuania’s location from north-east of europe to - baltic region of northern europe. Such definition is more correct and is relied on wiki page of “northern europe” and fits UN’s decision of the location of lithuania in northern europe. I’m asking for your support on this subject, and for suggestions for how to do it. Thank you all Jonathan311 (talk) 22:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dbfirs I’m open for support and suggestions of what to do Jonathan311 (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan311. The article currently has your version. As I said at the Teahouse, if you get reverted again, don't edit war, but take the discussion to the talk page of the article. The problem seems to be an outdated CIA factbook that still says eastern Europe and has forgotten that Lithuania is no longer under Russian control! Dbfirs 22:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It was changed again please help me on lithuania talk page I’m still finding it hard to “argue” with the page supervisor Jonathan311 (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

There is no page supervisor, only editors like us. I think the latest compromise has stuck. Dbfirs 17:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Microfossil vs nannofossil and Limalok

Regarding the question posted in the edit summary, the sources use "nannofossil". I am not sure if both should be lumped under the same category. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:12, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't sure either. The term "nannoplankton" was defined in 1909 by Lohmann as plankton between 2 and 63 micrometres in diameter, and "nannofossil" was used by Stradner in 1961 to mean fossils of less than 63 micrometres, including fragments of larger fossils. This range seems to come within the Wikipedia definition of Microfossil which is why I linked to that article. I would also question the word "other" since foraminifera are often much bigger. Would you like to take this to the talk page of the article. I'm not really familiar with the terms used in this field of study. Dbfirs 07:37, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

File:PhiladelphiaSketchClub.jpg

Please read the licensing section of File:PhiladelphiaSketchClub.jpg easily accessed at Philadelphia Sketch Club by clicking clicking on the logo image. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:11, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I did read it before I commented. Perhaps American law is less restrictive on copyright than British law? I'm not an expert on copyright and trademarks. Dbfirs 22:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Curious that this situation arose nine years after the logo was first used.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I would use a "fair use" argument (see WP:Logos), and leave it where it is.

"This work contains material which may be subject to trademark laws in one or more jurisdictions. Before using this content, please ensure that it is used to identify the entity or organization that owns the trademark and that you have the right to use it under the laws which apply in the circumstances of your intended use. You are solely responsible for ensuring that you do not infringe someone else's trademark.

"These restrictions are independent of the copyright status. See also the Wikipedia trademark disclaimer and Wikipedia:Logos." Dbfirs 22:25, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Quick clarification

Please explain this and your connection with Martin of Sheffield. I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, so thought I'll check with you here directly. Thanks, Lourdes 17:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I made exactly the same revert as Martin, and didn't get an edit conflict, so I assumed that my edit had gone through. I was surprised that the record showed Martin's edit and not mine. Dbfirs 17:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

That's fine enough. You could probably note that at the Help desk. Thanks and best, Lourdes 17:54, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I'll do that in case anyone else is confused. It certainly confused me! I expect to get a warning if an edit that I'm making has already been made. I'm sure that is what usually happens. Dbfirs 17:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi both, I've had an alert that I was mentioned. I'd seen Anna's delete request on the help page and had a look at the article. It was WP:BLP and potentially libellous so I checked the refs and then went back to the last good version and restored it. I've no connection with Dbfirs other than editing. Regards both, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

... except that we both live in historic Yorkshire, but in opposite corners. Dbfirs 14:37, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I have changed this article, because it was false, it wrongly described Randy Fine, politician from Florida House of Representatives. It was obviously done by his enemies.

Here is Randy Fine's official page: https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4646&LegislativeTermId=88 You can find my name there as well, I'm his legislative Aide.

Here is the link to his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/voterandyfine/

I'm sorry I've destroyed something, I'm not an experienced user.

I'm not sure how to make sure such content do not appear again.

Thanks, Anna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Budko — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Budko (talk • contribs) 17:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Anna. As Randy's legislative aide, you have a WP:Conflict of interest and probably WP:Paid status which you are required to declare. It would be best if you suggest future improvements to the article on the talk page. You were perfectly correct to remove the libel. Please note that self-published sites cannot be used to establish WP:Notability so some newspaper or magazine articles are needed as references. The article is currently proposed for deletion, but if it doesn't get deleted, please suggest better references. Dbfirs 18:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

... later ... Better references have now been added to establish notability, and the article has been protected to prevent vandalism. Dbfirs 08:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi dbfirs

Great compromise on the afternoon and evening pages! 5 or 6pm :). Thanks for your support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.163.252 (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I reverted the unreferenced claim, but once a reference was provided, I was happy to compromise. Dbfirs 16:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

HELP CREATING A WIKI PAGE

Hi Dbfirs I'm the one asking about the bandpage on Wiki TeaHouse. Our record label has artist with wiki pages as well as we are on allmusic

Colin Fine has answered your question at the Teahouse. Dbfirs 08:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

birth year change of la la anthony

dbfirs, as i have already told most of the sources are showing false birth year on internet, so because of that la la anthony having problem. you are not accepting imdb source, not accepting google data also and when i showed you birth certificate that also you are not accepting. then from where i bring the source because the sources are having false data aswell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpeshpandey09 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia accepts only WP:Reliable sources, not user-generated sources. Anyone can post a doctored birth certificate on the web. I can understand that the subject does not want her true birth year published, so I removed it for you. Please stop pushing the false year. This is not the only person you have pushed a false date of birth for. Any discussion should go on the talk page of the relevant article. Dbfirs 06:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

i am not pushing false birth date here, and earlier also i have not pushed false date , i was having all legal proof of correct birth years and this time also i have all legal proof of correct birth year, if you are not accepting it and tagging it as false then its your problem, nowadays wiki has so many issues as they dont accept true proofs and are accepting only false source. la la anthony was trying herself to correct this but you guys still declined it, this is too much that even the person whose information is published on wikipedia cant change it. what more proof you need just to change the correct birth year, she is ready to show all the proof. if there are false article available out there with false information is not her fault. kindly understand that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpeshpandey09 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

We have had three different years of birth proposed on Wikipedia, all from people who claim that their version is the accurate one. Since we have no way to determine who is telling the truth, and WP:Reliable sources disagree, I believe that the best solution is to omit the year of birth in our article so that we do not perpetuate a falsehood. Dbfirs 06:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

https://hollywoodlife.com/2019/06/16/la-la-anthony-carmelo-fathers-day-post-kiyan/ so you dont think this is the valid proof? her real age is been showed in this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpeshpandey09 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

That's just one of several conflicting sources, and it looks to me as if it's put out by her publicity department. Are you connected with her publicity machine? Dbfirs 07:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

You're a 'Featured Host'

You may have seen this announcement that all the 'Featured Hosts' - whose names and pictures randomly cycle round in the Teahouse Header - have just been updated.

As you are currently one of the 29 most active editors at WP:TH, your name and an image has now replaced that of an inactive host. But because you haven't yet added yourself to the full list of active hosts, I have chosen what I hope might be an acceptable image to you (over the default picture of a cup of green tea). It would be great if you would now do two things:

• Check or change the 'featured host' image allocated to you. Edit it at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host/Featured/14, or undo my changes if you don't wish to be 'featured'.
• Create a 'host profile' for yourself, and choose a relevant picture - click the 'Experienced editor?' button in the TH Header to formally sign up to create a separate entry on the full list of all 89 current hosts which editors can view.

Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

To reply

Sir, some hours ago you responded on Talk page of Shamsheer Vayalil. You suggested the change to be done in the main text. When you will not make the desired changes by yourself then how youngsters like us will know the way by which wikipedia works. Thanks. (223.230.167.170 (talk) 07:54, 15 June 2019 (UTC))

I've moved your question to the end of the talk page. This is where all new material goes on a talk page unless it is in reply to a previous thread. I'll have a look at the article, but trivial detail like this is not really important in an article about a person because the information is available in a single click to the linked article on the institution. Dbfirs 10:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Sir, I read what "Eagleash" gave the answer, that infobox should remain concised. Will adding name of a small place(Porur)make the infobox less concise. I hope you will understand the matter and make a desire edit. I have full faith on you that you will definitely make the possible edit.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.154.128 (talk) 17:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia works by consensus, and the consensus was that it wasn't necessary. I've added it to the main text for you. Dbfirs 19:05, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

To respond

Sir, I have posted a new and important request on Talk page of Shamsheer Vayalil. This request is related to his residency and occupation. I hope you will certainly make the possible edit. Thanks. (223.230.169.20 (talk) 18:07, 16 June 2019 (UTC))

References

Sir, you asked for references. I had provided references on Talk page of Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil.This time the references are absolutely perfect because I had extracted those references from Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil wikipedia profile page and you will surely find the subject.You look to those reliable references and make the possible edits.I had extracted reliable information related to his occupation and his residence from wikipedia references of Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil. Please! sir don't troll me. You all(editors) are responsible to edit wikipedia, if you will not do then who will do. Thanks. (223.230.169.20 (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC))

Correction done

Sir, I corrected the links. Now you will face no problem. You will easily recognize the subjects from that link. Hope you will do edits now.

Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a source. Granting of a residence permit is best placed in the main text, not the info-box. Dbfirs 06:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Please continue this conversation on the talk page of the article where everyone who is interested can see the thread and might be able to help. Do not change your text, but add further comments below the previous text. Thank you. Dbfirs 12:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I repeat: Do not change text that you have already written. I wish to have no more communication here, and I will delete any further edits to this page. Dbfirs 13:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Correction done: Sir, I corrected the link and now you will face no problem to find the subject's residence as well as his occupation proof. Hope you will make the desire edits. As per your rules and regulations I have added new comments on previous text only.I apologize that you got irritated because of my request. Thanks.

Ellis and Swaledale

Hello. Thank you for the edit. I realised on researching this properly today that I was being too slap-dash yesterday. Ellis's Area 31 did have a lot of Lancashire in, but only the northern half of it. It also had all of Cumberland and Westmorland (now in Cumbria) and also the southern part of Durham (as you rightly suspected). I apologise for my edit yesterday.

I have put this part into a note now, so that I don't disrupt the main flow of the section. It doesn't seem as if this area of Yorkshire has had much attention at all in recent dialect studies.

The Yorkshire sites that Ellis included in Area 31 were below. (This is how Ellis listed them under Yorkshire in his book. I am aware that at least one of these sites, Dent, is in modern Cumbria.)

• Black Burton or Burton-in-Lonsdale
• Cautley
• Chapel-le-dale
• Dent
• Horton-le-Riddlesdale
• Howgill
• Hurst
• Ilkley
• Laithkirk
• Middlesmoor
• North of Richmond
• Richmond
• Sedberg
• Skipton
• Upper Craven with Upper Nidderdale
• Upper Mining Dales (i.e. Swaledale and Arkengarthdale)
• Upper Nidderdale
• Upper Swaledale or Muker
• Upper Wensleydale or Hawes

You can also see Area 31 marked out on Warren Maguire's map here. Epa101 (talk) 10:53, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Yes, Dent, Garsdale, Howgill, Cautley and Sedbergh are now in Cumbria, but they are also part of the Yorkshire Dales National Park, and all except a bit of Howgill were traditionally Yorkshire (West Riding) and still think of themselves as Yorkshire. They are called the "Western Dales" (included in our Yorkshire Dales article). The dialect here has many features in common with the rest of Yorkshire, but also something in common with Cumbrian, and I notice hints of Lancashire when I visit Burton-in-Lonsdale. My own observations cannot, of course, be used in a Wikipedia article. I'll have to ask our local expert K. M. Petyt to write a book on these dialects since he now lives in the area. Dbfirs 14:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

All good. I hope that my edit will be useful now. There is a 1967 book on Dentdale dialect, but it's not easy to come by. I've actually become the treasurer of the Yorkshire Dialect Society recently, having been a fairly idle member for >10 years. If Petyt would like to write an article on this third zone of Yorkshire dialect, it would be very interesting. If not, I might write one once I've done enough research. Epa101 (talk) 20:30, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Nuts in May

I was intrigued about where you got your 1880 mention of the game from. I have had to revert it since the WP article on the OED says printing didn't start until 1884 - and it was called the New Eng. Dict. then anyway. You'd therefore need a fuller and more direct source to substantiate an 1880 date for earlier mention. It's all a bit relative anyway, since the Folk-Lore Review and the Gomme study was drawing on the memory of older correspondents. However, NEB usually cited a published source for usage, so we really need to know what that was to push the date further back. Can your source help there? Sweetpool50 (talk) 22:07, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

The OED cites the 1880/81 Folk-lore Record, first published in 1878 by the Folklore Society of Great Britain. I agree that it would be better to find the original, but I couldn't find it on-line. That's why I cited the OED (1911 edition). Perhaps I could have made the cite clearer? Dbfirs 06:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Did the OED quote the wording (which would be important for a first appearance) or merely give a date for first appearance of the name? Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

It's actually under the entry for singing, singing game: 1880 Folk-lore Rec. 3 ii. 169 The following ‘Singing Games’ are still played and sung by the children of Bocking, in Essex..I. Mary's gone a-milking..II. Thread the Tailor's needle..III. Nuts in May [etc.]. Dbfirs 20:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. It seems there were several references to the rhyme in Folk-Lore Record; I can get access to the list of contents at Jstor but not to the actual pages without a subscription. I'll alter the date to 1880 and give the page reference. Incidentally, according to the information at Fresno State U, Ms Gomme was the wife of the President of the Folk-Lore Soc. so it was via that she got her information. I've been trying various other kinds of permutation but I don't think we're going to push the date back much earlier. Sweetpool50 (talk) 21:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I was surprised that there was no earlier record of the rhyme. Thank you for your research, and improvement to our article. Dbfirs 06:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

... later ... I've now found the pdf on-line and the actual rhyme is on page 170: here

170 SINGING GAMES. III. Nuts in May. Here we come gathering nuts in May, nuts in May, nuts in May; Here we come gathering nuts in May, on a cold and frosty morning.

This is followed by a description of the activity. Dbfirs 13:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

That was very useful indeed and I've acknowledged you as my partner in the latest revision of the article, where you'll see that I have been doing some reading and researching of my own. Principally, I've changed the emphasis to make clear that the rhyme was of UK origin and spread widely. To answer your caveat about date of origin, although the Folk-Lore Record began to be published in 1878, the first of its two items on the rhyme only appeared in the 1881 number, and the author only says she noted it down from the the lips of young performers. Obviously the game had been current much longer, but we WP editors aren't allowed to say as much without a reference. It will bother folklorists, too, that Halliwell doesn't record it in his 1842 collection. Sweetpool50 (talk) 15:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the mention, and for the improvements to the article. I agree that the publication date was 1881. The OED presumably had some evidence that it was actually written in 1880, but Wikipedia uses publication dates. Dbfirs 15:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

@Dbfirs, thank you for your guidance via the teahouse. Appreciate it! Jack at Hillrom (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Shamsheer Vayalil

Looks very much like the same editor again; geolocates to the same area and only edits to that page or relating to. The edits this morning (UK) are all just disruptive. Also has added a level one hdg above so following headings are displaying as 'subs'. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I thought it was too similar. I suspected a troll weeks ago, but decided to assume good faith. Could it be that there is a genuine editor and a vandal editing from the same IP address? What do we do? Dbfirs 14:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I would be tempted to think of it as trolling: the earlier hogging of the help desk and the demands that requests be dealt with instantly, together with the refusal to learn to do things themselves. The only recent edits to the page have been disruptive (similar set to today's on 17 July). Up till now I've AGF'd believing it to be just poor skills but the ongoing disruption and obsession suggests a problem. We had a similar issue with an IP-hopping disruptive editor at the F1 project a couple of years ago. Used 250+ addresses in 18 mths and just would not listen. ANI would not help; only got indef'd by a weird conicidence. I've got a record of some of their disruption but it's not complete. Eagleash (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

•According to your guidance I posted my relevant request regarding to Dr. Shamsheer's article on the talk page. If I will try to edit then it may lead to disruption of article. So, please! do have a look. Thank you. (223.230.162.19 (talk) 17:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC))

Yes, you did the right thing in posting on the talk page, and part of your request has been implemented. Can you find replacement references? Dbfirs 20:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

• I have posted a request on Dr. Shamsheer's talk page in regarding to add some more important informations. I have also provided links (as reference).

If I will try to add these informations (by phone)then it might create a blunder. Two days passed yet no any response given. So, Please do have a look and add those informations. Thank you. (223.230.174.34 (talk) 10:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC))

The Study of Dialect

I have borrowed a copy of KM Petyt's The Study of Dialect from a library in Leeds. This book is hard to come by, these days. I know that you are an acquaintance of Mr. Petyt. I thought that he might like to know that I'm going to use his book to update Wikipedia this weekend.

One priority is to create an article for the Linguistic Atlas of Scotland. It's incredible that there is not one yet. Epa101 (talk) 18:34, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll let Malcolm know when I next see him that his book is being put to good use. I don't have any reference books on Scottish dialects, so I can't help you with your priority. It will be an interesting article. Dbfirs 19:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I have now created an article for the Linguistic Survey of Scotland. Most of this is referenced from Malcolm's book. This was actually written before the Gaelic part of the Survey was finished, but the book was still a very useful summary.

One anecdote that I cannot put in the article because I don't have a proper reference for it. I once attended a talk by an old fieldworker from the Survey of English Dialects. He told the audience that Harold Orton was very annoyed that the Linguistic Survey of Scotland had done fieldwork in Cumberland and Northumberland without informing him, and relations between Orton and McIntosh were cool. I'm surprised that no one has compared the results in these areas (and also in the Isle of Man) to look for similarities or differences between the two surveys. Epa101 (talk) 12:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there seems to be a fairly sharp change from Cumbrian to Scottish on this side of the UK north of Carlisle, and similarly on the east round Berwick, though we retain some vocabulary that is generally regarded as Scottish. We were all part of the Kingdom of Northumbria twelve hundred years ago, of course. Thank you for your article. Dbfirs 14:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

That point is made in the slide at the bottom of page 2 on this presentation by Warren Maguire. It looks from the map as if the Linguistic Survey of Scotland also went into County Durham and Westmorland. Malcolm's book only mentioned Cumberland and Northumberland, so I stuck to that.

It is strange how the border between England and Scotland is more of a linguistic boundary than that between England and Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, or the USA and Canada. I cannot think what makes it so special. Epa101 (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

It might be because most of us don't travel very far in this part of the country (though there are famous Scots world-wide, of course). There isn't a really sharp border, especially on the east side of the country, but probably sharper than most linguistic borders. The Scots even claim that their language is different from Scottish English, though I could claim the same for old Garsdale dialect (where "stone" is pronounced in a similar way to the pronunciation in Scots), and Garsdale English which is just English with a northern accent. Dbfirs 19:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Claims about what is a language or a dialect are largely political. The claims that Scots is a language have risen as Scottish nationalism in general has become stronger. One attempt to apply consistent standards is the framework of Abstand and ausbau languages by Heinz Kloss. He once said that Scots is "half a language"! However, the argument that it's a full language seems to have won on Wikipedia, where there is a separate Scots edition. Epa101 (talk) 21:50, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Aye, it's a weel-kent leid, but I note that quite a lot of the vocabulary and spelling would be the same or very similar if I wrote in my local dialect. Are there any plans for a Yorkshire Wikipedia? Dbfirs 07:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Sadly no plans for a Yorkshire Wikipedia yet. I once put a similar argument to Warren Maguire. He said that he could see the point in relation to the old dialect from the days of AJ Ellis, but that only a handful of elderly people in the north of England speak that way any more, whereas many Scots dialects are still alive and well. I have never actually lived in Scotland, but I took his word for it. Epa101 (talk) 21:29, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Many Scottish English dialects, yes, but I would think that the number speaking Old Scots is similarly decreasing. Dbfirs 06:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Just out of curiosity, do you know why Malcolm gave up dialectological work? I think that his work is very good, but his publications seem to stop after a while. Epa101 (talk)

No, he seems not to want to talk about his publications. I might ask him sometime. Dbfirs 19:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I did ask him, and he has no plans to publish any more books. He did publish an article in the local History Society magazine, but the printers messed up the IPA. Dbfirs 20:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've just seen your response. Thanks for letting me know. I'll see if I can track it down. I need to take his book back to the library now, so I have just made a few edits to the history section on the article for Dialectology. It's good that it goes beyond English-speaking countries more now. It has been a very useful book. Epa101 (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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I know there's little point in replying to a bot, but thank you for deleting the file. I uploaded a new version. Dbfirs 21:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Edit: DO NOT DELETE

Please do not arbitrarily delete content in broad strokes. If you find something you wish to edit, do so but please do no just delete entire content. Justicetwalker (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

The content was in the wrong place. If you wish to write your autobiography, please use WP:Articles for creation, to create a draft. Please do not try to sneak it in on a disambiguation page. Dbfirs 14:42, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft Josip Zovko

Hello, I have added the sources. I have deleted the sources IMDd and supplemented by sources from reputable articles from TV, radio and online newspapers. I hope the article will be released and published soon. Moj Galeb (talk) 14:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not a reviewer, so can't help with that, but I know there is a large backlog in reviewing, so please don't expect an instant review. I can't read Croatian so am unable to check most of the references. Dbfirs 14:51, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Please help

I had posted a request on Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil talk page but no response is given yet. Please! do have a look. Thank you. (223.230.130.28 (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC))

Sorry for my response on the help desk

It's me, the guy who asked about the use of hyphens to separate items on lists. My response was somewhat rude, and I apologize. I also apologized on the help desk, but I wasn't sure if you saw it there, so I'm apologizing here as well, just to make sure that you knew that I was sorry about it. (Edit: Added link to question on help page. Further edit: Fixed link, sorry about that. Hopefully last edit: Wasn't able to fix link, so I just removed it altogether, sorry about that whole mess.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

That's OK, don't worry — I wasn't offended. I've been editing Wikipedia for years and I still don't know all the rules and policies. There are bits of the Manual of Style that I don't agree with, but it was reached by consensus, so I suppose we have to put up with it and try to comply. Dbfirs 20:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. (And sorry that I didn't thank you on the help desk.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Following up - Logo change for an article about a company

This past August I posted a on the help section about replacing a logo on an article about a company. You replied to the help post and unfortunately I didn't see it until this week.

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner.

You were correct, the current logo is the blue and green X made of dots with the word Nacha in white. Any help you can provide that would point me in the right direct for getting this updated would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, (CSCS0603 (talk) 20:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC))

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This page is not published inspite of taking all the precautions into considerations. Kindly help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akashpashine (talk • contribs) 07:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Your sandbox still doesn't have a single independent reference. If you can't find any, then the subject is not notable. Have you read WP:Referencing for beginners? Dbfirs 08:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Can list of notable authors be added to publishers page on Wikipedia?

Dear Dbfirs, I wanted to ask for your advice on the following topic "Can a list of notable authors be added to publishers page on Wikipedia?" posted on Wikipedia Teahouse. Basically, I wanted to know whether or not one can add a list of notable authors to a page on Wikipedia? See this example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_A._Knopf Can I add a list of notable authors to Omniscriptum page on Wikipedia? Thank you for your time. FYI 2020 (talk) 06:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Thirteen years of editing!

Hey, Dbfirs. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 12:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society

Dear Dbfirs,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 12:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Arithmetic mean

How would the image, File:Mediant and mean on the number line.png, be useful in music articles, and which articles? Hyacinth (talk) 10:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't know. I didn't remove it from your music article, but it's really not appropriate for mathematical articles on mean etc because it just introduces confusion. Dbfirs 10:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Your edit summary was "More useful in music than maths."

I didn't add the image to any music articles (and music articles are not "mine"). Hyacinth (talk) 00:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:NPA, please comment on the content, not the contributor. Hyacinth (talk) 00:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I noticed that you have an interest in editing musical articles, and assumed (perhaps wrongly) that your diagram was useful for the musical mediant which is a much more widely-used concept than the mathematical one. I'm surprised that you felt attacked. No personal attack was intended, nor was I implying any attack on your work. I don't know whether the mathematical concept is widely used in music, but the addition to the lead of the articles on mean and median was, in my opinion, inappropriate and likely to cause confusion to readers. Best wishes for your future editing. Dbfirs 05:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Thanks for replying politely. FYI (to shed some light on the confusion): The musical mediant and the mathematical mediant may share a linguistic root, but are not the same. For example, the mediant in C major is the scale step half way between the tonic (C) and fifth (G), which is E. If C is 1/1, G is 3/2, and E is 5/4, then the mathematical mediant of C and G is (1+3)/(1+2)=4/3, which is the fourth scale step, F. Hyacinth (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I now realise that the connection is purely linguistic. Dbfirs 06:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Just after blocking some IP for persistent silliness, I noticed your warning on User talk:2601:601:9980:2940:2517:3DCF:C8EC:D1E3 about persistent silliness. So you might think I've jumped the gun. Hope you don't mind. -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

That's fine. I could see that the IP was heading that way. Dbfirs 16:31, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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"American logical grammar"

My writing is probably 90% US English, and I love trash-talking Brits, but you cannot say with a straight face that American grammar is "logical". I mean, you people put commas inside quotation marks. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:00, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

My writing is probably 95% old British, so I still use double quotes, as was standard British until some publishers decided to change the convention (to save ink?) though I note that conventions have varied in both countries over the centuries. I put punctuation wherever I consider it to be logical, which is usually outside quotes unless there is a complete sentence inside. I may have made a "tongue-in-cheek" comment about American logic on singular subjects. Dbfirs 14:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

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