Marine 69-71
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-Virgilio Dávila-
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| ¡No des tu tierra (Patria) al extraño! por más que te pague bien. |
Do not give your land (country) to a stranger! even though he pays you well.. |
I BELIEVE
I believe that at this time and age, Wikipedia should require that all those who wish to edit or add to our project should be registered users. It is easy for an unregistered user to vandalize an article which many of us have gone through a lot of trouble to write, then immediately make a copy as if that is what was truly written, thereby dis-crediting our project and adding to the reality that ours is an unreliable encyclopedia. The fact is that the majority of the vandalism is caused by un-registered users who have nothing better to do with their lives. If Wikipedia wants to keep it's good and honest contributors who love to share their knowledge with the world in general and wants to gain some sense of being a reliable encyclopedia, then it must do something to protect it's contributors and the articles which they have written from the constant vandalism going on, otherwise what's the use of staying here? Tony the Marine (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
South Bronx notables
In these edits, you added entries for Joe Negroni, Herman Santiago and Tony Santiago as notables. None of these entries have sources added to connect them to the South Bronx and none of the articles mention The Bronx in any way, let alone the South Bronx, with Negroni and Herman Santiago being placed in Manhattan. Is there a reason why they should be added as notables in the absence of any sourcing or mention in their articles. Alansohn (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday
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Good article reassessment for Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps
Hispanics in the United States Marine Corps has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
The redirect 65th Infantry Regiment (United States has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 21 § 65th Infantry Regiment (United States until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer
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Good article reassessment for 65th Infantry Regiment (United States)
65th Infantry Regiment (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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Always precious
Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Gerda Arendt. I want you to know that I have always thought of you as being one of most wonderful people here in Wikipedia. Unlike others you inspire and encourage others to make positive contributions to this project. Bless you.
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22 October 2024, Super Intergalactic Justice League
Please explain why you have once again recreated this: [1] after it was deleted in this deletion discussion in October 2023: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marine 69-71/sandbox, you then recreated it here on 7 October 2023: [2] and then agreed to delete it following discussion on 24 October 2023: User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 52 - Wikipedia#Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Marine 69-71/Archive 49. You have been told repeatedly that you must follow Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST. Your page User:Marine 69-71/Autographs is another blatant breach of NOTWEBHOST, which should be deleted. I would tag it for speedy deletion, but presumably you have protected it to prevent this. Mztourist (talk) 08:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is my workshop where I create my articles. I am working on one now. Thank you Tony the Marine (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in [3] on the same basis. Mztourist (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- As you have clearly decided to ignore my messages and kept editing Super Intergalactic Justice League, I will be taking this to ANI. Mztourist (talk) 03:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, that was already covered in the deletion discussion and subsequent discussion on 24 October 2023. You need to delete it and your autographs page as they are breaches of Wikipedia:NOTWEBHOST. Mztourist (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC) You also need to delete The Marine and the Girl Next Door in [3] on the same basis. Mztourist (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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ANI Notice 25 October 2024
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Marine 69-71 intractable breaches of policy WP:NOTWEBHOST regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mztourist (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
MfD nomination of User:Marine 69-71/Autographs
User:Marine 69-71/Autographs, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marine 69-71/Autographs and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Marine 69-71/Autographs during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.|My Contribs.) 04:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Request for Arbitration notice, 26 October 2024
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#User:Marine 69-71 and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.
Thanks, Mztourist (talk) 07:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm going to have a word on Mztourist's talk page, but I think this has blown out of proportion.
Obviously, administrators are not perfect and sometimes the behaviour is egregiously bad or out of touch enough to warrant a desysop. I set up the "Conflict interest of management" Arbcom case a few months back, and while it wasn't my explicit intention, it did result in advanced permissions being removed.
I think all the Arbitration Committee want is an assurance that this is a minor and insignificant matter, and you're not really bothered if people take exception to to pages in your user space and cite reasonable reasons for doing so. The community doesn't appear to have a consensus on what to do with user pages that aren't directly to do with improving Wikipedia - for example, consider Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ritchie333/Userbox Trump which, even though consensus at the MfD seemed to be trending to "keep", I decided to delete per IAR for a quiet life. That might have been a way de-escalating this matter here.
Anyway, now the case is at Arbcom, we'll see what happens next. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, this isn't worth your time. It's clear from statements already made at the case request that movement forward is fairly a foregone conclusion. The bottom line is you're going to be de-adminned whether you participate in the case or not. Participating simply validates the process of ArbCom, which is woefully bad. All of your incredible work over the years will be ignored, and instead the focus will come onto such things as you blocking a vandal who was disrupting a page in your userspace. The pound of flesh not having been extracted here is now being asked for at ArbCom. Don't validate it with your presence. Let them push their electrons around, but don't let it bother you. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is horrendous advice. Loss of tools is not a foregone conclusion unless you fail to respond.
- If you do not respond, it becomes an WP:ADMINACCT issue, and you will be certain to lose the tools. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under WP:ADMINACCT for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. Special:PermaLink/1071296297#Timwi is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's 1. Got any others? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. Primefac (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I said "nearly always". I did not use the absolute case of "always". Regardless, if you want to debate the semantics of this further or the abstract issue at large, my talk page is that way. No need to clog Tony's talk page with it. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do not need any others; you used multiple absolute statements, meaning that a single example invalidates your statements. Primefac (talk) 20:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's 1. Got any others? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with DFO, this is horrendous advice. Special:PermaLink/1071296297#Timwi is a good example of an admin who participated and was let off with a warning. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are welcome to your opinion. However, case after case after case after case after case of admin conduct brought before ArbCom has shown that defending oneself in such cases is nearly always futile. Prove me wrong. Defending oneself at ArbCom is an entirely useless endeavour. ArbCom's going to desysop him anyway. It is a foregone conclusion. If you want to claim he should be desysopped under WP:ADMINACCT for not responding, fine. Marine 69-71, you can acknowledge the ArbCom case. Attempting to defend yourself though is futile. Think of it as a pleading of 'no contest'. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, would you please email me via the "Email this user" link in the interface when you are viewing my userpage? Thanks. (To anyone watching this; this is nothing nefarious, nor of interest to the general project) --Hammersoft (talk) 01:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Tony, I'm a fellow Bronxite and somebody who's been doing this wikipedia thing almost as long as you have. I don't have any magic answers, but I have been around the block a few times so I may be able to give some useful advice. If you'd like to chat off-wiki, feel free to click on this link to send me an email. RoySmith (talk) 03:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to address the concerns raised in the case request in a manner that recognizes the problems and assures the community that these problems will end and not be repeated. Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, just wanted to thank you for all your contributions over the years to Wikipedia and the community. Andre🚐 20:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Tony, I found some thoughts from the past that I was looking for and wanted to share them here in regards to this proposed case for you. It's a bit of a read, but if you have any inclination to participate in the ArbCom case (assuming it gets accepted; they might desysop you by motion without a trial), I think it's worth the time (if people's responses are any judge). The thoughts are here. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, I respect you on-wiki and off-wiki, but admins are still required to respond to questions per WP:ADMINACCT, otherwise it is assumed you forfeited the adminship (called "no contest plea" by Hammersoft). You need to explain the reasons behind your actions at the time, as well as whether it is justified now or not to be repeated. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 09:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I know I said it above, but I will second this request. At the moment I have no choice but to vote to desysop, despite the fact that I really do not want to, because you have not responded to further enquiry. Primefac (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Primefac: Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like this from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Hammersoft in this. By motion is definitely the easy way. The simple way. I just don't see it as action which should bear Wikipedia's imprimatur, not without a fuller look at the case. There's no real urgency in cases in which the subject is not an active editor or an admin is not using actively using tools wrongly. It is the undue urgency of this situation ArbCom has the opportunity to calm down and not further inflame or embitter. All this is my opinion. BusterD (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- We have a pretty solid track record of suspended cases never actually being taken up. I am willing to advocate for one, but if Marine is not going to participate, then it makes little difference whether the desysop is by motion immediately or simply delayed by three months when the suspended case closes. Primefac (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain why do you want a case in this instance? Earlier you criticized RexxS's case here [4], would this case have your support? Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. I didn't list them as a party. They listed themselves. BusterD (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think there's much of a case here, either Marine or Mztourist. This could have been dismissed a few days ago, if Marine explained his tool use and his comment to Mason. This is not an issue worthy of ArbCom, but it is becoming WP:ADMINACCT issue real quick. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with BusterD. The issue here is that so far it has been focused solely on Marine 69-71. ArbCom is extremely likely to desysop anyone who (for lack of a better term) was charged by someone bringing a RFAR. This can and has resulted in extreme myopic behavior. All of us here, including Marine 69-71 volunteer our time. I see no benefit to Marine 69-71 exerting their effort and using their volunteer time to participate in this case. As I've said before, if they don't participate, they get desysopped. If they acknowledge the case, but don't participate, they get desysopped. If they participate in the case, they get desysopped. People are hanging WP:ADMINACCT over Marine's head like a threat. He's already going to be desysopped. So what possible benefit does spending innumerable hours attempting to defend oneself bring to the table? Nothing. That's what. So why do it? But, that's not the only aspect of this case; there's more at play here. ArbCom is focused laser sharp on Marine 69-71. This has all happened before and will happen again. ArbCom is outright abusive. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- My responses are short, I would expect them to be read. If there is a response from Marine, chances are fairly good I will vote against desysop. This is now the third time I am indicating this, and yet you still insist that if he participates he will be desysopped. Please stop playing the "rigged election" game. Primefac (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop insulting me. I am not playing a game. I am backed up with copious evidence that supports my conclusions. Don't like the conclusions? Prove me wrong. If you prove me wrong, I will change my conclusions. There is no "game", thank you very much. While you might not vote to desysop, the motion is already 3-0 in favor. Maybe if you could convince your cohorts to back off the motion and actually start a case, maybe...just maybe some good will come out of this. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- It is actually 3 supports and 2 opposes in practice, Primefac voted to admonish, KevinL indicated he would desysop if absent a response. I must note that if there is no response at the end, there will be 10 supports and 0 opposes. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop insulting me. I am not playing a game. I am backed up with copious evidence that supports my conclusions. Don't like the conclusions? Prove me wrong. If you prove me wrong, I will change my conclusions. There is no "game", thank you very much. While you might not vote to desysop, the motion is already 3-0 in favor. Maybe if you could convince your cohorts to back off the motion and actually start a case, maybe...just maybe some good will come out of this. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- My responses are short, I would expect them to be read. If there is a response from Marine, chances are fairly good I will vote against desysop. This is now the third time I am indicating this, and yet you still insist that if he participates he will be desysopped. Please stop playing the "rigged election" game. Primefac (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMHO the filing party in this case has also misbehaved. That's why I want the full case. I didn't list them as a party. They listed themselves. BusterD (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Hammersoft in this. By motion is definitely the easy way. The simple way. I just don't see it as action which should bear Wikipedia's imprimatur, not without a fuller look at the case. There's no real urgency in cases in which the subject is not an active editor or an admin is not using actively using tools wrongly. It is the undue urgency of this situation ArbCom has the opportunity to calm down and not further inflame or embitter. All this is my opinion. BusterD (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Primefac: Actually you do have a choice to accept a case rather than solve it by motion. There is no emergency here. It's a foregone conclusion you're going to desysop Marine 69-71, but you could at least have some respect for the process and for Marine 69-71. Instead, ArbCom's taking the easy way out. Setting Marine 69-71 aside for the moment, refusing to accept a case will result in things like this from the person who made the RFAR request and their continued insistence that this wasn't a personal attack being utterly ignored. There are other issues here that ArbCom is completely deaf to at this point. Further, Sir Kenneth Kho's comments on the RFAR are powerful, and likewise being ignored. Primefac, you were voted in to do a job, not to accuse people of having false rage and then not do that job. Do it. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Tony, friendly reminder that desysop by motion is currently passing, this is your final chance to explain yourself, or request a full case. As of now, ArbCom is losing faith that a response is coming. In Puerto Rican time, today will be the 12th day of the RFAR, tomorrow will be the 13th, the day after that will be the 14th.Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 11:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC) Tony, this is the 13th day, and tomorrow is the 14th day. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Good to see your datestamp!
Glad we're both still around. BusterD (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm flat out asking you: There's zero dishonor in stepping down as admin. Will you please hand in the bit? Tony, you've been important to the pedia and many of us know that first hand (hell, I looked up to you). The pedia cannot abide obstinance, so your silence sends a message, even if inadvertent. If you went to the 'crats noticeboard this morning and handed in your mop, all of this (except perhaps admonishment) just goes away. Consider doing an honorable thing. In your own honor. BusterD (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @BusterD: I watch the dessysop case requests even when I don't comment. I have never seen so many implore an admin to act in their own best interests before. SMDH. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anybody is offended by the silence, but the rules require admins to answer questions originating from vandals to ArbCom alike, nobody should think this is a bad rule? There's also zero dishonor in admins answering questions. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I recognize we are much on the same page. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. I also add that Tony might be unfamiliar with modern ArbCom processes.Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tony could choose his battles in a full case. He would have allies and advisors in such a case. Strangers wouldn't be coming along disrespecting him simply because the pedia changed and he didn't know or think it worth his time to do so. Still doesn't know. BusterD (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think ArbCom would still expect "I did not murder my wife" there. I recognize we are much on the same page. I don't mind a full case, but this is only if Tony is willing to attend that months-long process, it would help if he can confirm that. I also add that Tony might be unfamiliar with modern ArbCom processes.Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Given that Tony has been largely absent from the project for quite some time now (very low rate of edits over the last ~2 years), it is hardly surprising that he is silent at this time, and has been so for 5 days. Since January 2022, he's had 45 gaps in editing of a week or more, the longest being 7 weeks (which happened this year; June to August). ArbCom will not be denied their pound of flesh though, and they will forcibly desysop despite this history. It's been 4 days since they posted the motion to desysop. Tony averages that much of a gap in the last 2.5 years (see also year counts). Tony's not used admin privileges in 17 months. Nevertheless, ArbCom's quite certain there is a pressing emergency at hand though, and have to desysop pronto. So glad we have ArbCom to defend our project against such threats. More seriously; the utter contempt and disrespect ArbCom has shown for an editor who has contributed more than 700 articles to the project is utterly despicable. If they want to tear the man down, fine they can tear the man down. But you can still do that with respect and dignity, not with summary judgment like this. The end of ArbCom can't happen soon enough. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is a time where refusing to enter the arena is an acceptable solution to a unfair question (ex: Did they catch you murdering your wife last night?). Hey, I'm largely with you on this, Sir Kenneth Kho. Your statement at RFAR was helpful. I'm hoping for calm response and offering Tony an option. But I'd rather see a full case than see an action by motion under these circumstances. I want Tony to be able to affect the outcome in his favor. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Arbitration motion regarding Marine 69-71
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:
Marine 69-71 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)'s administrative privileges are revoked. He may apply to have them reinstated at any time via a new request for adminship.
For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 18:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motion regarding Marine 69-71
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I am very disappointed with the fact that my admin. tools have been removed. I have been in this project for many years and I have hundreds of articules on my watchlist. I used my tools to revert unsourced information which are sometimes posted by vandals.
As a Wikipedian I have received many recognitions for my written work. However,, a certain admin here has recently began to haraze me continuesly and as such I guess said person can now be happy that my tools were removed. Please return my tools if you believe that this action was unjustified. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, I am not asking you to confirm or deny that I am the "certain admin". However, if I am the person to whom you refer, please understand that I tried exceptionally hard to defend you in all this. Please see this diff right on your talk page; I wanted to discuss the overall situation with you in private. I didn't expect ArbCom was going to back off their insistence on desysopping you. I was hoping to get some sort of dignity out of all of it for you. ArbCom has treated you with contempt. Given the enormous body of work that you have contributed to this project, it is absolutely shameful that they have treated you in the way they have. I hold you in the utmost respect, as I said 15 years ago and still hold strongly to now. I know many other people do as well as I expressed to you 13 years ago [5]. You thanked me for the advice then. The advice I have given to you on your talk page now is meant in the same vein, never to harass you but to lift you up. If I have given you pause to think otherwise, then I deeply apologize. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- No my friend, I consider you among the best members of this project. I thank you for being in this project. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, I understand that a desysop is a disappointing outcome. But to even get close to regaining the tools, either by ArbCom action (which I must admit seems unlikely at this juncture) or by running for the tools again, you will need to offer some sort of mea culpa, explanation, or defense. Can you explain that you understand what the Committee's concerns were? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I assume you have already read the discussion, but if not, you should read all of Special:Permalink/1255998320 and give it grave consideration before you answer. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously? From the get go, you made it clear this was going to be a desysop (and I wasn't the only one to think so) [6]. Now you're suggesting there might be a pathway back through ArbCom? As a first step in that process, Tony should spend an hour reading all of the RFAR and probably twice that much trying to process and respond to it? It is blatantly obvious there is no pathway back through ArbCom. Reading the RFAR is a total waste of time for appealing to ArbCom. And people think I'm giving bad advice? Wow. Just absolutely wow. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Hammersoft A desysop was not a foregone conclusion. I meant that this issue could be resolved by motion, one of whose options might be a desysop. I wasn't going to vote to deysysop until the particular diff in question was unearthed. I think you're right, I doubt we'd undo our decision here, and I said as much. Still, it's certainly not going to be undone on our end unless he does understand what our issue was. And he won't survive RFA unless he understands either. Though I doubt he'd survive at RfA currently if just because of his low activity and need for the tools. Perhaps I should've just given him the advice of "your goose is cooked," but that seemed not entirely true, and not a helpful "if you really want it...heres what to do next." Understanding his issues is necessary, but not sufficient, to regain the tools. At any rate, I agree with you that this doesn't diminish Tony's many incredible lifetime achievements to Wikipedia. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Seriously? From the get go, you made it clear this was going to be a desysop (and I wasn't the only one to think so) [6]. Now you're suggesting there might be a pathway back through ArbCom? As a first step in that process, Tony should spend an hour reading all of the RFAR and probably twice that much trying to process and respond to it? It is blatantly obvious there is no pathway back through ArbCom. Reading the RFAR is a total waste of time for appealing to ArbCom. And people think I'm giving bad advice? Wow. Just absolutely wow. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tony, you haven't used admin privs in 17 months, and 2.5 years outside of your userspace (just blocking an IP that was affecting your userspace in that time). Even if you did attempt an RfA, a common opposition point people have these days is whether there is a need for the tools. You never did use the tools that much when you did have them, and essentially haven't for 2.5 years. Regardless of the RFAR and what it uncovered, attempting an RfA would likely fail just on those grounds alone. Some things we just have to accept and move on from. There's nothing you've done in the past 2.5 years that you can't do now. If you need an admin action, make a request at an appropriate notification point. The recognition you have received from multiple vectors for your work here is not affected nor tarnished. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank You.
I want to thank all of the partctpants who backed me up during the conversation aimed at the elimination of my admin. tools. I am very grateful for your support. Bess you all. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)