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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Liz - Mark Compton is quite an important bloke, and currently Lord Prior of St John, qv. Order of Saint John (chartered 1888). So as to avoid the "one step forward, two steps back" syndrome, please help! Many thanks. Best, Primm1234 (talk) 14:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Jill Mortimer

Please don't add unsourced information to any article, but especially not to one about a living person. If you have a reliable published source for Mortimer's birthplace and birthname, then please provide that source and add the information. If it is just something you "know", then perhaps you need to look at the Conflict of Interest guideline. PamD 10:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello PamD & DeFacto no intention here whatsoever to add bad info on to Wiki - Mortimer was born in 1965 - apologies that it's taken some time to find an authoritative source (now provided); but it would appear that this article was badly written from the start. Compared with other MPs' articles this one doesn't read well - looks more like snippets from campaign literature! Primm1234 (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

PS. it is simply not worth getting embroiled in an argument about when she was born... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Primm1234 (talk • contribs)

• See WP:BLPPRIMARY which instructs editors not to use public records in this way. And the fact that a "Jillian W. Sowerby" was born in Leeds around the right year is not evidence that this was the person in question, in any case. If you can find a published source which states her year of birth and birth name, then please add them. As for "Compared with other MPs' articles ...": this woman has been an MP for 5 days. All other MPs have been around considerably longer. That fact explains a lot. Be patient. PamD 15:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  • PamD & DeFacto: WP:BLPPRIMARY is very clear - but first and foremost Wiki should be corrected: (born 1964 or 1965) is wrong. Seems the evidence so far refers to a 56-year old? By my maths, should therefore state 1965 or 1966... How silly is this, not being able to correct Wiki?! Primm1234 (talk) 01:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

No: either her 56th birthday was earlier in 2021, giving 1965, or her 57th birthday is later in 2021, giving 1964. Difficult to get one's head round so safer to use the template which does the arithmetic. PamD 04:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hugh Elliott

Hi! Parts of your recent edits to Hugh Elliott (diplomat) haven't been properly referenced. Wikipedia needs information to be verifiable, which chunks of your additions aren't. Elliott's full name and birth year need a citation to be included in the article. I'd really appreciate if you started a discussion on the talk page instead of just adding it again straight away, so that we can try and find suitable sources to use to back it up. Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 21:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey Gazamp - thanks your note & let's get this Hugh Elliott article up to speed and properly referenced. The best references to verify his DOB are to be found in Who's Who and Burke's Peerage but these publications can only be viewed in book form or by online subscription. I also see reference to Elliott's DOB and marriage at http://www.thepeerage.com/p12604.htm#i126036 but (despite this source being widely cited in other Wikipedia articles) now doesn't seem acceptable. Some typos re. his surname have also crept in - it should ofc be Elliott. His wife's appellidos are Martín y Elena (or more commonly in modern-day Spanish, Martín Elena, or just Martín, qv. https://www.revistavanityfair.es/articulos/la-fiesta-del-embajador-britanico-en-espana-en-honor-a-isabel-ii).

Also, whereas the Wiki article rather blandly states "Previous to this, he was Director for Communications at the Department for Exiting the European Union", qv. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/director-of-international-agreements-at-the-fco-visits-chile.es-419 wherein it states his diplomatic (& no doubt, language) skills helped a great deal in smoothing the UK's transition from the EU after Brexit. Agreed, unsure how one would want put this, but it's not conveyed in the article. Here to help - please advise & muchas gracias.

Saludos - Primm1234

Hi! Sorry for not replying sooner, I didn't see this. First off, Who's Who is not used as a reference because of its 'poor editorial standards' (see WP:RSP for details). The peerage website you give is also not used, as that is self-published and so not reliable. I'm chasing down a version of Burke's at the moment so I can have a look.

With regards to the gov.uk source you provide, I don't think there is much to add to the article. Wikipedia needs to have a neutral point of view, and what is already on the page explains Elliott's role sufficiently in my opinion.

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@BoyTheKingCanDance:. Many thanks for your helpful comments.

My thinking behind creating Mr Councilman Griffiths’ page was that many other Common Councilman (several seemingly less notable) have Wikipedia entries – my apologies should I have done the wrong thing, but I get where you’re coming from on this.

Dunno whether my edits now getting flagged up for attention, but perhaps you could guide me as to why my improvements (so I thought!) to Sir Douglas Booth’s page resulted in that tag being added. Bit puzzling, insofar as so many baronets have Wikipedia entries and in Douglas Booth’s case, he also happens to be a celebrated screenwriter (Scooby Doo in particular being a work of his that resonates with me)! Was it random that his entry should have a general notability tag being added, or is it justified?

Much obliged to have a clearer understanding & many thanks for your guidance so far – much appreciated.

Best Primm1234 Primm1234 (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC) .

This seems to be one of the hints Wikipedia suggests for verification of Sir Douglas Booth's "notability": https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wE9IAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA17&dq=%22Douglas+Allen+Booth%22&article_id=7125,2638442&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8i5Wlhpn9AhVGQUEAHahTAAkQ6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Douglas%20Allen%20Booth%22&f=false

Please advise - many thanks! Primm1234 (talk) 03:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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@BoyTheKingCanDance: you have been most helpful with your guidance for which I am most grateful. Much obliged if you could take a look at the Christopher Hardie article as is... Christopher Hardie is eminent in his field of corporate finance & wealth management but, as another User mentions below, Wikipedia is supposed to be a collaborative exercise, not just for me to enhance... Is it now satisfactory to submit for AfC, do you reckon?

Thanking you in advance. Best, Primm1234 (talk) 16:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

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Many thanks. Primm1234 Primm1234 (talk) 23:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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Noted, but I am merely trying to leave the article reading coherently, however now we have a section stating Early life and education but with no mention of his education, you having deleted it.. Primm1234 (talk) 15:54, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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• Hi MRSC. Very many thanks for your assiduous improvements to the Susan Hall article - much appreciated. I hope you don't mind my making some small amendments for the sake of clarity, such as Councillor in the same sentence as when she was elected - whilst it may be clear to us what she was elected as, to those less au fait perhaps helpful to spell it out. Also it was a Sunday Telegraph article as opposed to the Daily Telegraph. Many thanks again. Best Primm1234 Primm1234

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Hello Celia Homeford

Many thanks for your message and my apologies for inadvertently editing whilst logged out, this was not my intention.

I saw you reverted my previous modifications to the article about Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, which were made in good faith but I do understand that they were overlinked. Perhaps you will allow me to make a simplified version of those alterations? and, in the spirit of Wikipedian collaboration, let me advise you in advance what they are to be:

2nd para: amend “assumed” to “succeeded to” (assumed could imply his succession to the hereditary peerage titles was in some way unlawful)

Early Life

Link to Lady Margaret Bridgeman (so that Wiki readers can easily see who she was)

Education and career

1st para: amend “promoted” to “proceeded” (correct Oxbridge terminology)

Activities

No mention of his being Patron of the Society of Antiquaries of London (and elected FSA) since 2001 – so reinstate this, which ties in with his passion for architecture, one of the Society of Antiquaries principal areas of interest being archeology (let me reinstate but no probs if you wish to reword or put somewhere else)...

Arms

Notes: amend “different” to “differenced” (correct heraldic terminology)

Other elements: link to “Label” (to help readers know what a "Point" is) & likewise “augment”

I trust you will find these modifications helpful and to your satisfaction.

Looking forward to hearing – many thanks.

Best Primm1234 (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Feel free. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - will do...

Best Primm1234 (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Earl of Lincoln

Thank you for your appreciation of my heraldic art.

Do you have a source for the blazon you quoted? When I look in recent editions of Debrett's Peerage I do not see the earl described or illustrated as using quartered arms, even if he may be entitled to them. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 19:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear Robin S. Taylor

Many thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Indeed your heraldic art is to be much admired among which I noted Lord Alvanley's arms:

which, although not the same as those of Lord Lincoln, comprise some similar elements.

Rob Fiennes-Clinton, aka the 19th Earl of Lincoln, is an acquaintance (via my Egerton-Warbuton rellies, as they like to say in Oz!). I can assure you His Lordship is quite chilled about responding to Debrett's or other such questionnaires, although he did petition the Crown Office via the College of Arms, so as to be ready somewhat optimistically! just in case any all-House hereditary peers' by-election(s) to the House of Lords crop up...

If you don't mind, let me cut'n'past as follows the latest updated LINCOLN, E pedigree (clipped as too big to send in full) from Burke's online:

(Redacted)

As you can see, Burke's is yet to produce an illustration of the present Earl of Lincoln's arms (which is where a line-drawing could come in handy, if that's possible, in keeping with Burke's house style). In fact, any representation of these arms would be progress!

Hope of help & glad of some interest - looking forward to hearing further.

Best, Primm1234 (talk) 01:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

LINCOLN

Arms: Quarterly, 1st and 4th, argent six crosses-crosslet fitchées sable on a chief azure two mullets or pierced (for CLINTON); 2nd and 3rd, azure three lions rampant or (for FIENNES).

Crest: Out of a ducal coronet gules a plume of five ostrich feathers argent banded with a line laid chevron-wise azure.

Supporters: Two greyhounds argent, plain collared and lined gules.

Motto: Loyaulté n’a honte (There is no shame in loyalty).

Creation: Earl (England) 4 May 1572. Primm1234 (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorted!

Best Primm1234 (talk) 11:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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@PamD: qv. www.cso.ie & reverting birth reference for Egan.

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Hello DrKay - my apologies for disruptive editing. This certainly was not my intention. Much obliged if you could explain what it is in relation to so that I can take extra care not to make the same mistake again. Many thanks.
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"You've been advised several times on how to link and when not to link, but you are still linking common terms, which is against the Manual of Style. It is disruptive to continue with a series of edits after being asked to stop." See also #April 2024 above. DrKay (talk) 16:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Noted with thanks. Primm1234 (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello DrKay - much obliged if you could let me know that my recent edits to William Butler (British Army officer) are okay? Many thanks. Primm1234 (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no need to link officer, writer, or painter. These are common terms. Thanks. DrKay (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Cassel died in 2006. This not true, Sir Timothy Cassel is very much alive - they divorced in 2006. I should be much obliged if you could see your way to reversing this block, based on unfounded reasons. Many thanks Primm1234 (talk) 10:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Per below. DrKay (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I meant divorced. Cassel has nothing to do with why you're blocked. DrKay (talk) 11:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

OK. I accept your clarification and I can only apologise for persistently overlinking, especially since I have been taking extra care not to do so (perhaps it would be safer for me not to link anything going forward thereby avoiding this pitfall). If you could point to any other disruptive editing I have caused, I would be most grateful in order to correct the error of my ways.

Since many Wiki readers find my edits provide useful factual enhancement to the articles, perhaps you could see your way to reversing this block?

Thanking you in advance for your further consideration. Primm1234 (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

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Help svp! How to create a {{Wiki Commons }} link for all categories for the Worshipful Company of Salters? Best Primm1234 (talk) 02:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

{{Commons category|Worshipful Company of Salters}}

I went ahead and fixed what I believe was the issue.

For more information, see Template:Commons category. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 16:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks Primm1234 (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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@DoubleGrazing Thanks too for your scrutiny of new articles - Alderman Robert Hughes-Penney should meet Wiki notability guidelines, by anyone's reckoning but I should be grateful for further advice accordingly. Best Primm1234 (talk) 00:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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Primm, please conduct edits in a more granular manner that should break up your changes into various edits that can be viewed with their individual merits, and ability to undo, thank, suggest, and so forth. Transforming entire pages with little value-add is poor practice. Ben1we (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Please refer here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing#Major_edits Ben1we (talk) 18:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben1we - hi there & thanks your attention to my recent edit. I've noticed a tendency for you to imply I don't know what I'm talking about, especially with regards to the City of London civic matters, heraldry as well as other topics where we seem to share a mutual interest. It would be great if we could work in tandem rather in opposite directions, so unsure how reverting my last contribution to Lord Mayor Mainelli's article in its entirety improves matters, I note your comments and shall review accordingly after allowing for a bit of breathing space. However it might be as well for me declare whence my little knowledge of such matters derives! Heraldry (I have worked at the College of Arms); Michael Mainelli (a family acquaintance); Sheriffs of the City of London (there are two, traditionally an Aldermanic Sheriff & a Lay Sheriff - thus it is not a prerequisite to be an Alderman to be elected Sheriff, altho there is no bar to having two Aldermen serving simultaneously as Sheriffs)... Look forward to liaising further no doubt in due course & thanks again.
Best Primm1234 (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Primm - absolutely, I believe working in tandem is a much better course of action. I apologise for implying you don't know what you're talking about - I know Michael in a very similar capacity, and was tasked with transforming his page for his mayoralty. With regards to your edit practices, collaboration will surely be promoted if you certainly do keep your edits more granular, rather than transforming the entire page so that each smaller change you make can be reviewable and discussed. With regards to your heraldic knowledge, it is less your knowledge, but more the demanding nature of your asks (re. the Paul McCartney arms) that I didn't love - particularly from someone who hasn't picked up the vector editing tools themselves!

I would like our future collaboration to be fruitful!

Best wishes, Ben1we (talk) 09:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben1we - thanks for your reply - glad we getting on the right track! Very much appreciated... Apologies for my abrupt messaging ref. Sir Paul McCartney's helm - there is of course considerable latitude for herald painters/heraldic artists in how they depict Arms, always subject to adhering to the blazon as granted of course! Over the years styles have changed: very simple in medieval times, rather fancy in the Tudor/Elizabethan eras, somewhat gauche in the Georgian & Hanoverian periods, overly complicated with an obsession with quarterings in the Victorian era, and now a preference to revert to simplicity again! I love the imagery in heraldry, although I must confess artwork has never been my strong point, my knowledge stemming more from the historical side of things. I'll have another look at the Mainelli article shortly with a view to keeping things simple - I thought linking his various citizenships could be quite helpful (among a few other things) - what do you think?

I've also made a start on improving Alastair King's article in anticipation of his succeeding Michael as Lord Mayor - hope you like what you see there... (I was verbally informed that Lord Mayor-elect King's birthday is on Guy Fawkes Day but am as yet to find any corroborating evidence of this - perhaps Michael might know svp?) Also maybe we should find King's coat of arms, although as confessed, I'm a bit stumped as how to create its image (in any attractive visual sense)! Many thanks again & till soon. Best Primm1234 (talk) 11:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look at Alastair's page! A while ago I reached to him re his coat of arms, had some discussion, but didn't get very far (introduced by Michael). Re the citizenships, I already listed them off in his infobox, and I've had other editors mess this around over the year, so hopefully the format I've left it in will stick with them. B Ben1we (talk) 12:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben1we - huge congrats to Michael upon being awarded the Italian Order of Merit by Giorgia Meloni - what an honour & well deserved.

I've made a few updates corresponding to the succession of the Lord Mayoralty with which I hope you concur. Thanks for your collaboration - much appreciated. Best Primm1234 (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Primm, thanks for highlighting. Most changes good - although I still disagree with removing the "City of" distinction within the Lord Mayor title, as this was specifically changed in 2006 with the introduction of the Mayor of London. It is referred to in its full and proper title elsewhere on Wikipedia, and I think it is best for consistency's and clarity's sake that we keep it as "Lord Mayor of the City of London".

Regarding the coat of arms insignia, I also think best to remove the fact that Mainelli has the right to bear this the OMRI insignia under his arms - I have yet to confirm with the Windsor herald, who dealt with his Grant of arms, upon the matter of displaying this. I am unsure that we should assume it to be the case for the time being.

I do however appreciate the explanation of the badge of St John behind the arms themselves, a good addition and one I certainly forgot about, despite having added that piece myself to the vector art! Ben1we (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben1we - thanks yours as always... The Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood administers protocol for the usage/wear of foreign orders in the UK (always recognised for national honours from sovereign states such as Italy), and thereby correspondingly for display with armorial bearings. Best Primm1234 (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Primm Ben1we (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben1we - maybe best to wait till the NY to see whether Sir Keir gives Michael the recognition he deserves, by way of a UK national honour, before making any revision to the Mainelli arms? Primm1234 (talk) 10:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• PS. full of admiration for your diplomacy apropos heraldry with MostEpic - like it!

Primm1234 (talk) 10:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Primm, don't worry, I'm in contact with Michael and will make any changes to his arms as needed! Best, Ben1we (talk) 12:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Formatting citations

Hi, please format your citations instead of using bare URLs. There are various templates available, eg Template:Cite web. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 15:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Primm, just to echo this, it is highly recommend that you cite with the proper templates - please give it a go! Ben1we (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gaia Octavia Agrippa & Ben1we - will do! Best Primm1234 (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Primm, to echo this again - your most recent edit on the Lord Mayor's page again does not use any templates for citation, you've only provided a URL. Please use Template:Cite web, and I would ask that you go further to update all the naked URLs used on that page. We must use best and recommended practice - Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference resource, to the benefit of all those who use it, and so our edits must be with the aim of informativeness and user-friendliness! Ben1we (talk) 10:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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